ISIS is dead for all intents and purposes

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ISIS has been squeezed out of Iraq. The Iraqi military has reported that ISIS is no more in Iraq - I’ve been following this closely and ISIS has been severely declining in power, influence, and numbers since the beginning of 2017.

Micah 5:9 “Your hand shall be lifted up over your adversaries, and all your enemies shall be cut off.”

God has triumphed over his foes.

Alleluia! May the scourge of ISIS rest in hell and never again rear its ugly, satanic head on the face of the earth.

So much for conquering Rome and the world, losers.

 
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ISIS has been severely declining in power, influence, and numbers since the beginning of 2017.
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So what happened?

I seriously doubt Tump came in with his own strategy,
unless his strategy was to let the military follow their strategy.
 
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ISIS has been severely declining in power, influence, and numbers since the beginning of 2017.
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So what happened?

I seriously doubt Tump came in with his own strategy,
unless his strategy was to let the military follow their strategy.
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I believe Trump unleashed the military and let them do their job!
 
I sense that ISIS was more of a distraction or ploy. Someone definitely was feeding them money and weapons… It’s also convenient that without Saddam or Gaddafi there’s a power vacuum that’s perfect for chaos! There’s a plot here😠
 
ISIS will be coming back as Trump has ended support for the Kurd’s over a week ago.

US Military advisors serving with the Kurd’s were shocked over the news, being the Kurds are then one’s doing the heavy lifting in fighting ISIS.

Trump was pressured by the Turkish government to stop supporting the Kurds, something they’ve been opposed to since it first began.

This left the door open for the Israeli’s to attack the Syrian Military installations which they did this past week and you can pretty much guess that the Turks will now attack the Kurds. Keep in mind that the Syrians have also been fighting against ISIS.

This will open the door for ISIS to regain strength.

Another bad US policy in the Middle East.

Jim
 
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Here’s a little piece of knowledge: the world does not revolve around the US or President Trump.

The impact of the US in Iraq has been minimal this year.
 
Yea, our missile strikes have had no impact, just spit balls before the ground forces moved in.
 
Interesting.

I don’t recall saying the US has had no impact.

I remember saying we’ve had “minimal” impact.

If you think ISIS was defeated because of our mighty American power and great warlord Donald Trump you’d be dead wrong.

ISIS has been defeated due to a coalition of forces fighting them, the US being one of many nations helping combat them.
 
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ISIS has been defeated due to a coalition of forces fighting them, the US being one of many nations helping combat them.
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Where did you pick up that talking point?

Most of the ‘many nations’ sent 100-200 advisors. They were there for field training and probably cause more trouble than material aide
 
Syria, Iraq, and the Kurds have bore the brunt of the battle.

We don’t get to come in waiving American flags and singing glory glory alleluiah and crushing cars with red, white, and blue monstertrucks now that ISIS is vanquished.

The amount of American lives lost fighting ISIS is next to nothing compared to the amount of Iraqis who lost their lives fighting ISIS.

Also, I speak this as a third generation US Military Veteran. Granpappy fought in the Army in WWII, pappy fought in 'Nam, and I sat in a chair and told pilots where to fly.
 
So now you are abandoning your talking point about the wide swath of foreign helpers? You must have done some research and realized only the US and Russia have had an outside impact. It’s called an Air Force

Obviously we’ve been working with the locals
 
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Oh and yeah, btw, this is a pretty good “talking point”.

Here’s a list of belligerents fighting in the Iraqi Civil War (2014-2017). As I stated, the US is one of many nations who fought ISIS - and not one of the main nations at that.

Republic of Iraq[1]

Iraqi Armed Forces
Popular Mobilization Forces
Allied groups:

Iraqi Turkmen Front
Liwa Abu al-Fadhal al-Abbas
Iraqi Communist Party
Iran
Hezbollah
Syria (2014)[2]

Iraqi Kurdistan[1]

Peshmerga
Kurdish National Council[3]
Sinjar Alliance
PKK[4]
Rojava Rojava[4]

CJTF–OIR
United States
United Kingdom
Australia[5]
France
Jordan
Kuwait
Netherlands
Belgium (2014–17)
Turkey (2014–17)
Canada (2014–16)[6]
Denmark (2014–16)[7]
Morocco (2014–16)

Further support:
Albania[8]
Bosnia and Herzegovina[9]
Croatia[10]
Czech Republic[11]
Estonia[12]
Finland[6]
Hungary[13]
Russia[14][15]


Knowledge is Power. Misplaced patriotism which leads to false nationalism does a disservice to the Nation and to the world.
 
Far from abandoning my position, I’ve buckled down and reinforced my (correct) assertions.

The onus is on you to prove me incorrect. Good luck.
 
ROFL, read what I wrote, but for comprehension.
I confirmed many foreign nations had troops there, but most only had a handful.
I also never suggested we didn’t accomplish this without the strong support of local forces.

Here’s the thing though, we swung the balance, they were loosing without our strategic aid, intelligence, and air power. We were the lynchpin that made it work.
 
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We were a key ally, but to claim the US is the reason why ISIS was defeated is just as wrong as claiming the US is why Germany and Japan were defeated in WWII.

WWII did not end because the US was the victor. WWII ended because the Allies, whom the US were one of, were the victor.

Likewise, the war in Iraq against ISIS did not end because the US was the victor. The Iraqi Civil War ended because the Coalition forces, whom the US were a part of, were victorious.
 
Terrorism is far from over.

They’ll just find another name for them. Or another country to associate them with if they can.
 
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You are technically correct in your point, but I think you are taking this “one among many allies” thing a bit too far. Sure, the Allies won WWII, but let’s not pretend that US intervention was simply some cog in a wheel that could have been filled by, idk, Spain. Otherwise please tell me who else would have defeated Japan, who else would have provided the manpower, logistics, and materiel to crush Germany from two fronts. There is a reason two superpowers emerged from WWII and one of them was the US.

As for ISIS, sure the US was one of like 15 countries to aid Iraq in defeating ISIS. But there were only 15 countries to begin with because the US cobbled them together. I am also pretty sure the US provided more support alone than 13 of those countries combined.

Just as there is a coalition, NATO mission in Afghanistan that the US provides 90% of the funding and manpower for.

1/27 allied partners does not equal 1/27 piece of the workload.
 
It may have been wrong of me to convey that the US was a minor ally in either WWII or the Iraqi Civil War - the US was a key, and leading ally at times, in both conflicts.

But the overall gist of what I said still stands. Us Americans are routinely tempted to fall into a kind of Americentrism - forgetting the fact that America barely contains 350,000,000 of the worlds 7,500,000,000 homo sapiens.
 
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