ISIS reaches center of Rhamadi

[jinglebelle]

ISIS grew out of the discontent of Sunnis who felt alienated by the US invasion of Iraq which favored the Shiites. ISIS has been finding support from the local Sunnis in the region./QUO
No it goes way back to the plo strange but true

 

[Path_Finder]

Related is the Palmyra seige, Palmyra is a UNESCO site, I guess that means it is a sort of heritage site by the UN.

I don’t like aspects of the UN, they are usually weak but we almost need a special super army to quell the likes of ISIS.

edition.cnn.com/2015/05/15/middleeast/syria-palmyra-isis/index.html

Palmyra is absolutely beautiful, reports are that 250 or more have lost their lives fighting this battle.

They are ruins after all, but still, unspeakable that these people see so much to destroy archaeological sites.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

For ISIS to be as effective as they are against the Iraqi Army, they have to be getting training and support from somewhere other than internally.

Anyway, not sure how accurate this is, but this is the view from a UN report.

Israel Supports Syrian Al Qaeda Rebels including the Islamic State (ISIS). UN Report

A report submitted to the United Nations Security Council by UN observers in the Golan Heights over the past 18 months shows that Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) have been in regular contact with Syrian rebels, including Islamic State (ISIS) militants.

Citing the UN report, Haaretz noted that there have been several instances detailed in the report that shows close ties between Syrian armed rebels and Israeli army.

According to the UN report, a person wounded on 15 September “was taken by armed members of the opposition across the ceasefire line, where he was transferred to a civilian ambulance escorted by an IDF vehicle.”

globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/5429363

Here’s another one;

The ISIS Islamic Terrorists are Supported by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia

globalresearch.ca/the-isis-islamic-terrorists-are-supported-by-the-us-israel-and-saudi-arabia/5396171

We know Israel hates Iran and they will most likely help the enemies of Iran, directly or indirectly.

Jim

 

[Darryl1958]

ISIS goes back to Mohammed. That is why you can connect the dots between it and everything else that shares those same roots.

 

[grotto]

Amazing that some people are still denigrating President Bush for taking action in Irag against Saddam Hussein and Weapons of Mass Destruction. This information was viewed as solid at the time of his decision. Because of military forces that encountered places of these type weapons having been there and in some cases were yet also observing numerous trucks making runs for the Syrian border in the early days of the action loaded with weapons, The media needs to recall the mass graves of Kurds killed by chemical weapons and the hundreds of executions committed by the two psycho sons of Hussein just for starters.

Have you heard the one about…“Bush invaded Irag because Saddam Hussein threatened to kill his daddy”? or, “it was all about oil for Bush and Cheney”. Talk about being
“Gruber stupid”!

So then comes Obama and… what do they say today as the whole Mid East is in turmoil and all the gains made at the expense of the free world’s tremendous sacrifice are vanishing?

Obama needs to resign.

 

[Ridgerunner]

For ISIS to be as effective as they are against the Iraqi Army, they have to be getting training and support from somewhere other than internally.

Anyway, not sure how accurate this is, but this is the view from a UN report.

Here’s another one;

We know Israel hates Iran and they will most likely help the enemies of Iran, directly or indirectly.

Jim

I think anything coming from the UN should be questioned.

Israel does greatly fear Iran, and rightly, just as the Sunni nations and rebels do. ISIS is militarily weak compared to Iran, and seemingly not half as clever.

One can see how it might be in Israel’s interests to keep ISIS and Iran fighting each other forever. However, one or the other is likely to win someday and attack Israel.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I think anything coming from the UN should be questioned.

Israel does greatly fear Iran, and rightly, just as the Sunni nations and rebels do. ISIS is militarily weak compared to Iran, and seemingly not half as clever.

One can see how it might be in Israel’s interests to keep ISIS and Iran fighting each other forever. However, one or the other is likely to win someday and attack Israel.

Perhaps coming from a source outside the US Media, we should consider the UN story as being credible ?

Here’s another from the Jerusalem Post

Russian writer and political activist: Mossad training ISIS terrorists in Iraq, Syria

jpost.com/Middle-East/Top-Putin-aide-Mossad-training-ISIS-terrorists-in-Iraq-Syria-383964

I’m not jumping to the claims of the stories, but for me, it just doesn’t make sense that a rag-tide rebel force like ISIS, is beating back US trained and equipped, Iraqi forces as they’re doing.

They are getting training and financial support from somewhere other than the villages they pillage and the ransom’s they’re getting from kidnappings.

Jim

 

[Path_Finder]

For ISIS to be as effective as they are against the Iraqi Army, they have to be getting training and support from somewhere other than internally.

Anyway, not sure how accurate this is, but this is the view from a UN report.

Here’s another one;

We know Israel hates Iran and they will most likely help the enemies of Iran, directly or indirectly.

Jim

Some of these citations are not clear and do not rule out the Israelis befriending more mainstream elements such as FSA or the Kurds.

US just had a rescue operation that killed a top ISIS commander.

Also, Assad has at times, bombed the FSA and moderate rebels and allowed ISIS untouched, sort of playing both sides off the other.

The original Haaretz story:

**
UN reveals Israeli links with Syrian rebels
Reports by UN observers in the Golan submitted to 15 members of Security Council detail regular contact between IDF officers and armed Syrian opposition figures at the border.**
haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.630359

Reports by UN observers in the Golan Heights over the past 18 months reveal the type and extent of cooperation between Israel and Syrian opposition figures.

This is hardly saying they are supporting ISIS. I looked into this as well.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Tomdstone;12975284:

ISIS grew out of the discontent of Sunnis who felt alienated by the US invasion of Iraq which favored the Shiites. ISIS has been finding support from the local Sunnis in the region.[/QUO
No it goes way back to the plo strange but true

No.

Before Obama abandoned Iraq, the Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Sistani Shiites all asked us to stay to keep the peace. And there was a reasonable degree of peace for the region. EVen Al Quaeda admitted its defeat. But Obama ignored them and the advice of all military leaders and even his own CIA chief and left, loudly claiming victory as he did.

Obama was told by the military and the intelligence services that if we left Iraq, it would turn into a battleground between Sunni extremists and Iran. And so it has, exactly as was warned. Even an ordinary person like myself could see that coming.

Among the presently untold stories is the fact that there was a civil war of sorts going on among the Shiites; the Sistani followers and the (Iranian) Al Sadr terrorists. The former constituted the majority. Did you know that Ayatollah Sistani even issued a Fatwa ordering Shiites not to attack Sunni people or shrines? But Iran and its agent, Al Sadr was handed the victory by Obama.

Another interesting thing is that ambiguous question being asked “…knowing what you know now, would you have supported the invasion of Iraq?” “Knowing what one knows NOW” includes knowledge of Obama’s abandonment of Iraq. Who on earth would fail to answer “no” to that one as expressed? Sometime or other, someone might get around to asking it a better way.

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[Path_Finder]

Perhaps coming from a source outside the US Media, we should consider the UN story as being credible ?

Here’s another from the Jerusalem Post

I’m not jumping to the claims of the stories, but for me, it just doesn’t make sense that a rag-tide rebel force like ISIS, is beating back US trained and equipped, Iraqi forces as they’re doing.

They are getting training and financial support from somewhere other than the villages they pillage and the ransom’s they’re getting from kidnappings.

Jim

The Iraqi army was gutted because it was corrupt.

This is simply pointed out in the fact that some top Iraqi commanders are now ISIS.

**Iraqi government troops kill top Saddam aide who allied with Isis – report **

Officials say Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri and nine bodyguards shot dead near Tikrit
Saddam’s deputy was ‘king of clubs’ in deck of cards used by US troops

Iraqi officials say they believe government forces have killed Saddam Hussein’s former deputy who later allied himself with Islamic State militants – Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri.

theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/17/iraqi-troops-kill-saddam-aide-tikrit-allied-isis

As for the US training Iraqi troops, perhaps we could listen to what General Dempsey said:

The U.S. military’s top officer said Wednesday that almost half of Iraq’s army is incapable of working against the Islamic State militant group, while the other half needs to be rebuilt with the help of U.S. advisers and military equipment.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey made the remarks to reporters while traveling to Paris to meet with his French counterpart to discuss the situation in Iraq and Syria. The general said that U.S. assessors who had spent the summer observing Iraq’s security forces concluded that 26 of the army’s 50 brigades would be capable of confronting the Islamic State, also known as ISIS. Dempsey described those brigades as well-led, capable, and endowed with a nationalist instinct, as opposed to a sectarian instinct.

However, Dempsey said that the other 24 brigades were too heavily populated with Shiites to be part of a credible force against the Sunni ISIS.

foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/17/top-general-says-half-iraqi-army-incapable-working-with-us-against-isis/

This is no simple matter to analyze but saying the US trained the Iraqi troops and so they should be prepared simply flies into the face of logic of what General Dempsey is saying.

 

[Path_Finder]

If somehow one says the US has responsibility, so do the Shiites under Malaki which means the Iranians too and neighboring Syria has caused trouble by their government and those who have given them weapons.

Some American made small arms are over there, China too, but the big weapons appear to be largely Soviet or Russian made.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’m not jumping to the claims of the stories, but for me, it just doesn’t make sense that a rag-tide rebel force like ISIS, is beating back US trained and equipped, Iraqi forces as they’re doing.

They are getting training and financial support from somewhere other than the villages they pillage and the ransom’s they’re getting from kidnappings.

Jim

Al Quaeda forces, which included many of the present ISIS forces, were in training for decades, including by the U.S. in Afghanistan against the Russians, and including by Saddam Hussein. It has its own training camps now. Those are learnable skills. And too, ISIS has some former Saddam military on its payroll.

ISIS is not fighting any U.S. trained and equipped forces except for the Kurds, which we have nearly orphaned. ISIS is fighting against Shiite (Al Sadr) militia in the pay of and under the leadership of Iran. Non-ISIS Sunni are caught in the middle, getting oppressed and slaughtered in turn as the war seesaws back and forth between ISIS and the Iranian-backed Shiite militias.

The Iraqi Sunni really have good reason to hate the U.S. now, after Obama abandoned them.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

jinglebelle;12981237:

Before Obama abandoned Iraq, the Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Sistani Shiites all asked us to stay to keep the peace. .

The Iraqi government was only willing to allow Obama to keep troops in Iraq under Iraqi law.

This means, US soldiers would be tried in an Iraqi court for a traffic ticket.

Obama was right to get out of Iraq and we need to get out of the ME altogether.

They hate us to the core and we can not be their police.

Jim

 

[Ridgerunner]

Ridgerunner;12981702:

The Iraqi government was only willing to allow Obama to keep troops in Iraq under Iraqi law.

This means, US soldiers would be tried in an Iraqi court for a traffic ticket.

Obama was right to get out of Iraq and we need to get out of the ME altogether.

They hate us to the core and we can not be their police.

Jim

The Iraqi government was negotiating with the Obama government for a status of forces agreement. The U.S. military recommended leaving some 27,000 troops in Iraq and Maliki was okay with that. Obama wouldn’t do that. Ultimately, Maliki demanded a minimum of 10,000. Obama wouldn’t do that, offering a manifestly inadequate 3,000 that the Iraqi parliament wouldn’t endorse either. At that point, Maliki stopped negotiating. We have about 3,000 there now, and it isn’t doing a whole lot of good, is it? Maliki knew that. Our military knew that. Obama knew that. But Obama touted himself as the “anti-Bush” and promised that he would leave Iraq. So he did.

The Iraqi tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Sistani Shia all asked us to stay, so they couldn’t have hated us all that much. Remember those “Thank you, America” ads the Kurds ran on American TV? I’ll bet they’re not thanking us now.

Never fear, Obama is withdrawing from the Middle EAst, and will do so entirely if he can before his term ends. Then, Iran and Sunni radicals can extend their war to the emirates, Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

JimR-OCDS;12981719:

The Iraqi government was negotiating with the Obama government for a status of forces agreement. .

They were negotiating but would not bend as far has having US Soldiers subject to Iraqi laws.

Obama rightly refused to give in to that demand and rightly pulled US troops out.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I’m watching the CBS News showing the ISIS troops going into Rhamadi.

They aren’t ragtag, but soldiers in new looking uniforms.

So again, some one is supporting them.

Jim

 

[Path_Finder]

Ridgerunner;12981760:

They were negotiating but would not bend as far has having US Soldiers subject to Iraqi laws.

Obama rightly refused to give in to that demand and rightly pulled US troops out.

Jim

But Obama was wrong in refusing to allow more than 3,000 troops there. Clearly, not enough for the peace that had been brokered there.

Generals such as Lloyd Austin, commander in that area said so himself. I’m sure I can find such an article if you need to read it.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

JimR-OCDS;12981765:

But Obama was wrong in refusing to allow more than 3,000 troops there. Clearly, not enough for the peace that had been brokered there.

Generals such as Lloyd Austin, commander in that area said so himself. I’m sure I can find such an article if you need to read it.

No, Obama was right.

No way should our soldiers be placed under an Iraqi law system.

Jim

 

[Path_Finder]

I’m watching the CBS News showing the ISIS troops going into Rhamadi.

They aren’t ragtag, but soldiers in new looking uniforms.

So again, some one is supporting them.

Jim

dw.de/who-finances-isis/a-17720149

Die Welt, respectable paper, there are many articles on your question.

 

[Path_Finder]

No, Obama was right.

No way should our soldiers be placed under an Iraqi law system.

Jim

No way should Christians and anyone else be murdered because Obama wanted to be the anti-Bush. Obama was wrong.

I will accept the words of the good General Austin.