Islam and fear

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pro,
I was there and talked to them. They told me about how land was taken, people attacked, girls raped, mosques built. All at their expense. Sure they didnt’ like the wall, but there wouldn’t be a wall if the Muslims weren’t bombing pizza parlours. I remember being on a bus where a bag had been left. Talk about fear. One boy told me he was beaten up almost everyday by the local Muslims. He said he would rather be an Israeli citizen. “The Jews treat you better”. You have bought into the PLO propaganda.

If you are not a Muslim then do the following. Post a statement that affirms your belief in the Holy Trinity and that Jesus is the Son of God. Also that Muhammed was NOT a prophet and that the Quran is erroneous. Very simple.
 
I was there and talked to them. They told me about how land was taken, people attacked, girls raped, mosques built. All at their expense
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I doubt the truth of your story. What year were you there? If the locals talk about it, why isn’t there any hard documentation to back up the claim?

This is a particularly serious charge, and I’d sure like to see you substantiate it.

If you would like some hard data for my side of this story, I’d like to present the Christian Mayor Bethlehem’s words from December 2005:
George Sa’adeh is the deputy mayor of Bethlehem and principal of a Greek Orthodox high school in nearby Beit Sahour.
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His 12-year-old daughter Christine was killed in 2003. Israeli forces targeting Hamas militants opened fire on his car by accident, he says.
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He considers her a martyr for the Palestinian cause.
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“We believe Christine is an angel now,” he says.
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“We get on with our life, but it’s not easy. We are all human beings - Jewish, Christian and Muslim. Losing a child is the same pain for all of us.”
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Mr Sa’adeh says the Palestinian Authority designates that the mayor and deputy mayor of Bethlehem must be Christian and points out that the new council make-up is the outcome of a democratic process.
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“Bethlehem is a symbol of co-existence,” he says.
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You have bought into the PLO propaganda.
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You can see the above at: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4548312.stm

The PLO fought wars with Hamas. Don’t you think that’s odd for a group that only wants muslims in Palestine?
If you are not a Muslim then do the following. Post a statement that affirms your belief in the Holy Trinity and that Jesus is the Son of God. Also that Muhammed was NOT a prophet and that the Quran is erroneous. Very simple.
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I am Catholic. I believe Jesus is God and in the Trinity. Very simple to say, not so easy to live.
 
pro,
I was there a year ago in January. Travelled all over. Went to the West Bank. Talked to Arab Christians. Being a priest they tended to tell me things they might not tell you. There isn’t one big Palestinian family. The Christians are persecuted and afraid of the Muslims. Google it for yourself. I talked to them personally.

Okay you affirm Jesus is God. Good, half way there. Now do you also state that Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran is not the word of God? Say that and I will agree you are Christian until proven otherwise.
 
I was there a year ago in January. Travelled all over. Went to the West Bank. Talked to Arab Christians. Being a priest they tended to tell me things they might not tell you. There isn’t one big Palestinian family. The Christians are persecuted and afraid of the Muslims. Google it for yourself. I talked to them personally.
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I just did. There is no credible evidence to support your claims.

I posted the Christian Mayor of Bethlehem’s words from December of this past year.

I think you manufactured this claim to support your point.
 
Absolutely not. And I am not the only one that they have confided in. You haven’t read about the attacks against Christians in the West Bank? Bethleham if you remember had Islamic terrorists take over the Basilica of the Nativity and trash it. Christians were appalled. At the Basilica of the Annuciation the Muslims wanted to build a huge mosque next to it and they blasted Islamic prayers through a loudspeaker thorough the front door. They attacked Christians going to prayer.

You still have not directly stated that Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran was not the word of God. No Muslim would do that which is why I asked you to do so. That will end my skepticism,
 
You haven’t read about the attacks against Christians in the West Bank? Bethleham if you remember had Islamic terrorists take over the Basilica of the Nativity and trash it. Christians were appalled.
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That was also one I only see on the rumor mill.

No credible evidence for that one also.

The mayor is required to be Christian, all the credible news sources say they are allied against Israel with the PLO and other groups. I think you made up this story about hearing of these things on your trip.
 
And I think you are lying about being a Catholic. I notice you will not renouce Muhammed and the Quran. Since you will not I think you are a Muslim who is lying for Allah.

On the other hand I know what I saw and heard. I have referred you to webpages. You can read for yourself. The fact is that Christians ARE persecuted there. They told me and I saw it. Typical that you blame the victims. That reinforces the view you are Muslim.

I knew a Muslim guy that insisted that Copts were not persecuted. He was Egyptian and swore it. I finally brought in massive evidence that proved it beyond a doubt. His response? “Oh I am sorry I lied to you?” NO! It was “well okay, but they deserve it”. He had lied, but didn’t bat an eye or apologize. He said I was the liar despite the fact that he KNEW I was telling the truth. That’s islam.
 
On the other hand I know what I saw and heard. I have referred you to webpages. You can read for yourself. The fact is that Christians ARE persecuted there. They told me and I saw it. Typical that you blame the victims. That reinforces the view you are Muslim.
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Well, none of the credible news sources agree. “honestreporting.com” is not an internationally recognized source of information last I checked.

Accuse me of being muslim all you want. That’s not anything to do with the substance of my points.

It does go straight to the substance of your claims that no credible sources support them.
 
No, it means that I think you are lying. Muslims have lied to me before. They think it’s okay if you are doing it to a kaffir for Allah. I think that is exactly what you are doing.

You can check Christian Science Monitor. Go to persecution.org. Barnabus fund. It’s there IF you want to look. But that might get in the way of your islamic propaganda.
 
You can check Christian Science Monitor. Go to persecution.org. Barnabus fund. It’s there IF you want to look. But that might get in the way of your islamic propaganda.
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The BBC is a pretty well respected source of News.

If you have a CS Monitor article on this, I’d love to see it. Anything objective and respectable as journalism.

Please, I’d like to see it. I love it when my views are reversed.

I don’t think that’s going to happen this time though, because I don’t believe there is any credible information to support your point.
 
I googled up an article on it in 5 seconds. Yet you deny that Christians are persecuted by Muslims? You are simply blind. Care to meet me in Saudi Arabia for a public Mass? How about we had out tracts saying the Quran is false in Cairo? Let’s go to Bethleham and count how few Christians are left and how much of their land has been seized by Muslims? I just found more on chiesa.expressonline.it which quotes the Custodian of the Holy Land saying what I am saying.

You are a liar. You are a Muslim who mascarades as a Catholic so you can propagandize. You have no credibility.
 
cestusdei,

Why are you not posting any credible sources that support your claims about the treatment of Christians in Palestine?

Here’s a link that’s from the horse’s mouth, ie, a web unit run by Christians in Palestine: eappi.org/eappi.nsf/index/rep-lf-12.html

So now I have actual Christians in the country and credible news stories backing up my claim that yours is unsubstantiated.

Please, instead of getting hyperbolic and shifting the discussion to saudi arabia or claiming that I’m muslim, why don’t you just post a credible source to prove your claims about Palestinian Christians?
Let’s go to Bethleham and count how few Christians are left and how much of their land has been seized by Muslims?
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See above. The Mayor is Christian, his daughter wasn’t killed by Palestinians…so what credible evidence do you have to show that the mayor of Bethlehem lied to the BBC?
 
the Link is invalid, and it sure doesn’t look to be a great bastion of internationally respected factual information.

So, I repeat my point: No credible information sources support your claims, and there are credible sources (including the Mayor of Bethlehem, a Christian) that refute your claims directly. I say the most likely reason is that you manufactured your claims based on internet rumor mills.
 
The fact is that I can google and post all day. We could go there and you could watch a rape or murder. But, Achmed, you would still deny it.

I don’t know why it won’t work. Chiesa covers Vatican affairs. Try it manually. Sorry, it’s not in Arabic.
 
The fact is that I can google and post all day. We could go there and you could watch a rape or murder. But, Achmed, you would still deny it.
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Okay, so how about you post just one credible source that supports your claims?

You can keep calling me muslim all you want in a perjorative sense, but that doesn’t conceal the fact that you aren’t providing support for your claims about Palestine.

The likely reason: you invented them, and now can’t do anything except try to claim that I am muslim to support your points.
 
For some reason my cut and paste won’t work. That’s why I told you to google it or do it manually. But really, you don’t care. I was there and saw it. I just googled a CS article and you wouldn’t care either. It’s all over the web. The BBC is a bit to the left of Al Jazeera which is probably your main source of news.

All of this is because your cover is blown. You are a Muslim and a terrorist sympathizer. You are probably celebrating Tom Fox’s toture and murder right now. But you have to be careful or you will get thrown off the site if they find out your agenda. I knew you had to be a Muslim. Only they are as blind to Christian blood as you are.

PS: I found your mayor quote. On the PLO site! Oh yes, trust ole Arafat and his terrorists. Face it. You are caught Achmed.
I just found stuff on Aid to the Church in Need, a Catholic charity. Check 9/905 The Daily Telegraph, a British paper that is not a tabloid. If you can’t find these then you don’t want to.
 
I was there and saw it. I just googled a CS article and you wouldn’t care either. It’s all over the web.
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Okay, so if you’re googling all these articles, why won’t you post just one for me?

I’m looking too, and see absolutely not one credible source to support your claims. I posted the Mayor’s quote from the BBC article directly. The fact that a Palestinian site uses it too doesn’t make it any less the reporting of the BBC.

The only fact I’m facing right now is that you claim you have tons of credible sources to support your position, yet you can’t even post one just for the purpose of disproving my charge that you fabricated your stories about Palestine.
 
As I said, the cut and paste won’t work. I can find the articles and sites I posted. Why can’t you? The Daily Telegraph article lists 93 instances of abuse, 140 cases of land grabbing, the torture and murder of 2 Christian girls. The Custos of the Holy Land protests against Islamic persecution. They say what I am saying. Look it up 9/9/05.
 
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