Islam and fear

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The Daily Telegraph article lists 93 instances of abuse, 140 cases of land grabbing, the torture and murder of 2 Christian girls. The Custos of the Holy Land protests against Islamic persecution. They say what I am saying. Look it up 9/9/05.
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I just did. The only Christian actually quoted says it’s about lawlesness and crime, and has nothing to do with religion.

The rest of the article is based on a dossier submitted by “Christians”, without naming the Dossier, which christians, or any source that could tell me which Christians or Dossier.

Now I know why my friends in London think the telegraph is such a joke.
 
That’s not what the article said. But your comment on the Telegraph says it all. If it ain’t from Osama you don’t believe it. Your “friends” probably think strapping a bomb on to kill some Jews is a worthy thing and that those kaffir in Bethleham deserve it. I suspected you were a Muslim infiltrator. Now I know.
 
Yes, that is what the article says, as I’m looking at it right this second.

I’ll respond again when you can provide a credible source to support your claims.

Until then, I maintain that you have fabricated these conversations with palestinians, and perhaps even fabricated a trip to the west bank to do it.
 
To All,

Pro is NOT Catholic. All he had to do was state that Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran was not the word of God. He refused to do so. Please do not be deceived. He is a Muslim and an extremist one. He is only here to forward the Islamic agenda.
 
I think your title encapsulates everything we need to know about Islam. History tells us they conquered by fear and current affairs tell us they operate today by fear.

welcome back, cest, are you on spring break?
 
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pro_universal:
the Link is invalid, and it sure doesn’t look to be a great bastion of internationally respected factual information.

So, I repeat my point: No credible information sources support your claims, and there are credible sources (including the Mayor of Bethlehem, a Christian) that refute your claims directly. I say the most likely reason is that you manufactured your claims based on internet rumor mills.
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Here’s some:

science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Articles/Imra-1997-10-30.asp

sullivan-county.com/id4/christian_arabs.htm

christiantoday.com/news/missions/palestines.christians.continue.to.suffer.persecution/593.htm
 
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cestusdei:
To All,

Pro is NOT Catholic. All he had to do was state that Muhammed was not a prophet and the Quran was not the word of God. He refused to do so. Please do not be deceived. He is a Muslim and an extremist one. He is only here to forward the Islamic agenda.
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Yes, I have come to the conclusion that without a doubt he is a Muslim. I thought at first he really was Catholic but I can see now that is not so. No Christian would defend a faith that denies Christ’s divinity this vigorously.
 
Thank you Father Cest! I have long suspected pro of flying that old false flag. He would not post the simple words which no true Catholic would have any problems posting - i.e. that Mohammed was not a prophet and was certainly not the Son of God. Bravo!
 
I am having problems pasting links and text. Am I missing something on how to do that on the board? Please post instructions or advice.

I suspected. Muslims will lie on certain things, but they have an aversion to renouncing Muhammed and the Quran. Pro could easily just say it and put the issue to rest. He won’t. He only accepts articles from Palestinian sources. Of course they aren’t going to mention any problems. Pro doesn’t want the facts to get in the way of propaganda.
 
to muslims like Pro who lie about the religion of peace, Christians in Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, ecc ARE persecuted…i live in the Middle East and i know PERSECUTED Christians who flew their countries because of muslims…so give us a break…

Allah’s Apostle said: I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Mohammad is Allah’s apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except from Islamic laws, and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Also al-Bukhari mentioned that Mohammad said, "Know that paradise is under the shades of swords."

Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari into English, had this to say in the introduction to his translation:

"Allah revealed in Sura Bara’at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon “the fighting” against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first “the fighting” was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory."

Al-Ghazali (died AH 505, that is AD 1127) who earned the title “hoggat al-Islam, meaning rock of Islam”, some five centuries after the time of Mohammad, is not apologetic in stressing the use of force in the preservation and progress of Islam:

“After the death of Mohammad, the man of the miracle [the Qur’an] and the apostle of truth and the companions, fearing the weakening of Islam, the decrease of the number of its followers, and the return of masses to their previous infidelity, saw that holy war and invading other countries for the sake of Allah, smashing the faces of the infidels with the sword and making people enter the religion of Allah as the most worthy of all tasks and better than all sciences.”

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

subjection to anti-Christ? subjection to man-made intolerant cult? NEVER.

Enough with your goody-goody dhimmitude Pro…no matter how “nice” you might present it, and no matter how you explain the word, the verse is clear : superiority and subjucation.
No thx…Jesus set us free…not to fall back in backward hands of cults.
 
**“Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other.” (48:29) ** **
“Enmity and hatred will reign between us until ye believe in Allah alone.” (60:4) **

**“Make war on them until idolatory does not exist any longer and Allah’s religion reigns universally.” (8:39) (2:193) **

too much love and tolerance and peace from Mr. pubh
 
Muhammed describes the first reactions to his new religion:

“This [Islam] is nothing but a lie which he [Muhammad] has forged, and other have helped him do it… Fairy tales of the ancients, which he has caused to be written; and they are dictated before him morning and evening.” (Surah 25:4-5)

Don’t ask too many questions:

“Allah has hated you…[for] asking too many questions.”

“The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions …so do not try to probe into such things.” (The Meaning of the Qur’an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)

“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Surah 5:101-102).
 
mjdonnely,

Source 1: That’s an Israeli press release. You’ve got to be joking.

Source 2: A website dedicated to the Appalachia? How exactly does that result in credible info on Palestinian Christians?

Source 3: Doesn’t actually support cestusdei’s claims. It names some harrassment and discrimination, but no “expelling all the christians, mass rape, and conversion” as cestusdei alleged.
 
Yes, I have come to the conclusion that without a doubt he is a Muslim. I thought at first he really was Catholic but I can see now that is not so. No Christian would defend a faith that denies Christ’s divinity this vigorously.
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Alright, let me summarize the argument on this thread:

cestusdei:
One morning they will wake up to the call of the azan and the sound of stones smashing the heads of their grandaughters who refuse to cover their heads. Islam is not a religion of peace, but of fear.
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Me:
No one in America or Europe has to worry about some Arab from the Arabian peninsula coming to his house and forcing him to pray like a muslim. But on the other side of the coin, if you were an Arab today living in the middle east, what reason would you have to not worry about foreign troops attacking you or having an errant bomb kill your family?
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Cestusdei and Eden and inJesus in unison:

“Pro_universal is a Muslim!”

Okay, besides the fact that I’m the one who decides what religion I am, how is claiming that I am a muslim a rational response to the point?
 
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pro_universal:
mjdonnely,

Source 1: That’s an Israeli press release. You’ve got to be joking.

Source 2: A website dedicated to the Appalachia? How exactly does that result in credible info on Palestinian Christians?

Source 3: Doesn’t actually support cestusdei’s claims. It names some harrassment and discrimination, but no “expelling all the christians, mass rape, and conversion” as cestusdei alleged.
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no, discrimination is not as drastic as you want it to be…muslims make the lives of Christians a living hell which results in fleeing the country in addition to emprisonments and killing.
 
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pro_universal:
Alright, let me summarize the argument on this thread:

cestusdei:

Me:

Cestusdei and Eden and inJesus in unison:

“Pro_universal is a Muslim!”

Okay, besides the fact that I’m the one who decides what religion I am, how is claiming that I am a muslim a rational response to the point?
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because as a muslim, you defend the undefendable…just like dhimmitude is a nice think…no thx…and stop it about Christian persecution cuz i know Iraqui, Palestinian, Egyptian and Saudi ( who used to live there) PERSECUTED…not one or 2 people but HUNDREDS due to the type of job i have. Not to forget the news about Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan ecc…
 
stop it about Christian persecution cuz i know Iraqui, Palestinian, Egyptian and Saudi ( who used to live there) PERSECUTED
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How’s this for a response:

I don’t believe you’re actually christian, I think you’re a muslim radical who wants to overthrow the middle eastern governments, so you pretend to be christian in order to get us christians to help you. Then, when the revolution is over, you’re going to recreate the Caliphate.

inJesus is actually Muslim! That’s why he wants us to hate middle eastern governments so much! He’s a muslim radical who can’t assume power until we topple them like we did Saddam!
 
a great response from someone who has got no response
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Do you realize how ironic that is?

That’s been yours, Eden’s, and cestusdei’s response to me so far. “He’s a muslim, therefore, nothing he says is valid.”
 
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