Islam and the Virgin Birth of Jesus

[planten]

Is this wrong from about.com?

or how about this from islamonline.net?

So is the Qur’an wrong or are you?

Niether the Quran is wrong nor I am wrong. I said “Quran does not say Jesus was born without a father.”. That is true and correct.

 

[ralphinal]

Niether the Quran is wrong nor I am wrong. I said “Quran does not say Jesus was born without a father.”. That is true and correct.

Really? It says that he was conceived by a virgin who was “not unchaste.” What does that mean?

Who is his father? Explain it.

 

[Sharp101]

MarySee, you seem to have some sort of Freudian fixation with circumcision, foreskins, and penises. Is there anything you want to share with us?

It has to do with your Bible. It is a very IMPORTANT issue for Jews and you as well because your God himself got circumcised. Otherwise:

"… The uncircumcised male whose foreskin has not been circumcised, shall have his soul cut off from his people; he has broken my Covenant" (Genesis 17:1-14)

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Many American male babies are circumcised by medical procedure shortly after birth. However, Orthodox Judaism prescribes circumcision as a religious ritual, to be performed according to strict Talmudic laws. According to those laws, the man who circumcises the infant, the mohel, must suck the infant’s bleeding penis with his mouth.**

MISHNAH. WE PERFORM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF CIRCUMCISION ON THE SABBATH. WE CIRCUMCISE, UNCOVER [THE CORONA], SUCK [THE WOUND], AND PLACE A COMPRESS AND CUMMIN UPON IT. IF ONE DID NOT CRUSH [THE CUMMIM] ON THE EVE OF THE SABBATH, HE MUST CHEW [IT] WITH HIS TEETH AND APPLY [IT TO THE WOUND] …
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbath 133a
Soncino 1961 Edition, pages 668-669

GEMARA. … WE SUCK OUT, etc. R. Papa said: If a surgeon does not suck [the WOUND], it is dangerous and he is dismissed. It is obvious? Since we desecrate the Sabbath for it, it is dangerous? — You might say that this blood is stored up, therefore he informs us that it is the result of a wound, and it is like a bandage and cummin: just as when one does not apply a bandage and cummin there is danger, so here too if one does not do it there is danger …
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbath 133b
Soncino 1961 Edition, page 672

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Since St. Paul was a Jew and a Pharisee as per his own admission, he must have taken Timothy’s penis in his mouth while circumcising him. Timothy was not a baby, though. He was a grown Greek man. This thing was KOSHER for Paul.​

 

[dzheremi]

Not that Jesus was ever tempted to commit sin for, as God, He couldn’t…but the temptation of Jesus was an outward one, not from within. It is about Satan “testing” Jesus to see if He is really the Son of God.

Of course i agree with this. I did not mean to imply otherwise. We are dealing with the verse Planten has trouble with, in which Jesus prays at Gethsemane. This is absolutely not sin, but it does show Jesus’ relationship to the Father, which Muslims cannot accept (so of course they don’t understand why Jesus would pray!)

 

[Sharp101]

Ya you can.so explain us,who was the father of Lord Jesus?

Who was/were Adam’s and Eve’s father(s)?

 

[Sharp101]

No one can born without father

so your so called Koranic miracles do not work here.

No one can born without father?

Yet Adam and Eve were born without father.

 

[Sharp101]

We are dealing with the verse Planten has trouble with, in which Jesus prays at Gethsemane. This is absolutely not sin, but it does show Jesus’ relationship to the Father, which Muslims cannot accept (so of course they don’t understand why Jesus would pray!)

Jesus’ relationship with the Father?

You mean there are TWO Gods? One who is called the father and other who is called his Son?

Now is “His Son” sitting on the right side of who? The father? So there are TWO GODs in heaven sitting? Are they look alike?

 

[ralphinal]

Who was/were Adam’s and Eve’s father(s)?

God created Adam and Eve. They were not born.

Now, I want one of you obfuscating, dodging, non-truthful, subject changing, forum name changing Muslims to tell me WHO IS JESUS"S FATHER?

Who caused Mary to be pregnant when she herself said she was not unchaste?

What traits did Jesus get from his Father?

Just once in your lives, give us an honest answer?

 

[Sharp101]

And we believe that Jesus has father and he is God the holy father,and jesus was born with the power of holy spirit(christian friends please correct me if I am wrong).

Your God (Jesus) to be born needed the power of holy spirit?

What in a helpless God indeed you beleive in, who has no power even to his own birth, let alone other things who “is of his ownself can do nothing”. He could not even perform his own circumcision when he was 8 days old baby.

But yet same Lord will shave hair between your legs!!! as per your Catholic Bible (Isaiah 7:20).

 

[dzheremi]

You have been asking questions and you think those are some real great questions. Nothing of the sort.

Whether or not you think they are good questions or not, they are the questions I have because they are parts of the ideology of Islam that I don’t understand. Don’t you ask questions when you don’t understand something? I’m merely doing the same.

We also worked out some problems that we noted in the bible

That’s nice; this thread is about Islam.

1. About God praying and 2. About God dying. those were justified. There was no dirty play in that as you normally try to do with Islam.

“Dirty play”? More like questions you refuse to answer. And your two questions enumerated above have been answered many times over by people here. You just refuse to accept the answers.

As far as I know, you have good info about Quran with you. There is no need to ask anything from me. It is all there and you can find it yourself please.

But I would rather ask you! Don’t you get it, Planten? I don’t believe in the Quran. So it’s best for me to ask someone who believes in it (you) to explain it for me, as a believer would understand it. I assume that you have studied it and so are knowledgable about it, and can explain it to me. If I am wrong and you have not studied it so you cannot explain it to me, then maybe you should spend less time on here trying to defend something that you do not understand.

I do not now understand your questions at all. The matter has become so confused now. It is better to leave it at that. Thanks.

Please finish the following sentence: “The reason for and meaning of the Virgin Birth of Jesus within Islam is…”

Is this really unclear to you?

And if still something remains to be answered from us then please ask angelos who claims to have good knowledge about Islam.

Again, I would rather ask you. I greatly respect Angelos as a fellow Christian and a learned human being, but he, like me, does not believe in the Quran, so he cannot argue from the point of view of a believer. Also, from your phrasing (“who claims to have good knowledge”), I can see that you believe that he does not in fact have good knowledge about Islam. I’m assuming instead that you believe that you yourself do. So it is best for me to ask you, or another Muslim poster should they come to this thread. Unlike you, Planten, I take believers of all faiths at their word that what they tell me about their faith is not a deliberate lie or corruption. You should try that sometime.

 

[Sharp101]

God created Adam and Eve. They were not born.

You mean the “birth” is not an act of creation of God?

If I ask you who created you? Will you say: "I was not created but born’ due to my parents?

Everything in this world, birth, formation, …all creation of God. Yes or no?

 

[ralphinal]

You mean the “birth” is not an act of creation of God?

If I ask you who created you? Will you say: "I was not created but born’ due tomy parents?

Everything in this world, birth, formation, …all creation of God. Yes or no?

Are you saying that God created a giant, disembodied uterus and it delivered Adam and Eve?

No, you are not.

Creation occured once. ONCE. After that, everything follows the laws of creation unless God intervenes, which is a miracle. God created me indirectly by setting up nature to create me by the acts of my parents.

Now, Marysee or whatever you are now, who is Jesus’s father and what traits did he inherit from him?

 

[mattkubes]

Now, Marysee or whatever you are now, who is Jesus’s father and what traits did he inherit from him?

Please answer this - and if at all possible, refrain from posting about your disordered obsession with circumcision.

 

[dzheremi]

Jesus’ relationship with the Father?

You mean there are TWO Gods? One who is called the father and other who is called his Son?

No, one God of a triune nature.

Now is “His Son” sitting on the right side of who? The father?

Yes, of God the Father.

So there are TWO GODs in heaven sitting? Are they look alike?

No, there is only one God. What difference does it make what they look like? The relationship of Jesus to God the Father is not an earthly relation like that of human fathers to their human sons.

 

[ralphinal]

Please answer this - and if at all possible, refrain from posting about your disordered obsession with circumcision.

Good luck with that. Last time I saw a person so obsessed with that part of the body, well, i ended up in confession the next day.

 

[Sharp101]

Now, Marysee or whatever you are now, who is Jesus’s father and what traits did he inherit from him?

According to your belief, Jesus himself was his own father.

And not only that:

Jesus was Mary’s Son and

Jesus was Mary’s Husband as well

because this is what your Trinity is all about. Three distinct persons yet one person…meaning:

The Father (of Mary…because Holy Spirit alongwith Jesus and the Father too are same one person) was Jesus.
The Husband of Mary was Jesus (because it was the father who “begets” his only Son.

What more answers you want from your Trinitarian Catholic standpoint?

 

[Psalter]

Of course i agree with this. I did not mean to imply otherwise. We are dealing with the verse Planten has trouble with, in which Jesus prays at Gethsemane. This is absolutely not sin, but it does show Jesus’ relationship to the Father, which Muslims cannot accept (so of course they don’t understand why Jesus would pray!)

I know! I never doubted you didn’t agree with this…I just wanted to make it clear for ignorant and unstable Planten before he can twist yet another teaching for his own ends.

 

[Psalter]

It has to do with your Bible. It is a very IMPORTANT issue for Jews and you as well because your God himself got circumcised. Otherwise:

"… The uncircumcised male whose foreskin has not been circumcised, shall have his soul cut off from his people; he has broken my Covenant" (Genesis 17:1-14)

Since St. Paul was a Jew and a Pharisee as per his own admission, he must have taken Timothy’s penis in his mouth while circumcising him. Timothy was not a baby, though. He was a grown Greek man. This thing was KOSHER for Paul.​

LOL, yes it looks like a very credible website. What is your point anyway, MarySee? What is your point, and why do you keep talking about penises? I think you must have some sort of latent homosexuality…which doesn’t suprise me since pedastery is quite common among Mahometans. Please look at the ORIGINAL intent of this thread (which question STILL has not been answered by any Mahometan)…

 

[ralphinal]

According to your belief, Jesus himself was his own father.

And not only that:

Jesus was Mary’s Son and

Jesus was Mary’s Husband as well

because this is what your Trinity is all about. Three distinct persons yet one person…meaning:

The Father (of Mary…because Holy Spirit alongwith Jesus and the Father too are same one person) was Jesus.
The Husband of Mary was Jesus (because it was the father who “begets” his only Son.

What more answers you want from your Trinitarian Catholic standpoint?

I am so close to being rude.

I WANT YOUR MUSLIM ANSWER. NOT YOUR TWISTED UNEDUCATED VERSION OF THE CHRISTAIN ANSWER.

One day, you might be blessed with understanding of how frustraiting you are being. I pray that I am not around when it happens.

Now, accprding to ISLAM and ISLAM ALONE, who is Jesus’s father and what traits did he inherit from him?

By the way, what you just posted was absolute garbage. Jesus is NOT Jesus’s father. My seven year old has a better understanding of the Trinity. Naturally, it is because he was never taught Muhammed’s lies or how to lie to cover them up.

PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION POSED TO YOU

Who was Jesus’s father in Islam and what traits did he inherit from him?

 

[Psalter]

According to your belief, Jesus himself was his own father.

And not only that:

Jesus was Mary’s Son and

Jesus was Mary’s Husband as well

because this is what your Trinity is all about. Three distinct persons yet one person…meaning:

The Father (of Mary…because Holy Spirit alongwith Jesus and the Father too are same one person) was Jesus.
The Husband of Mary was Jesus (because it was the father who “begets” his only Son.

What more answers you want from your Trinitarian Catholic standpoint?

WRONG! Jesus is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity…Mary is the MOTHER of God the Son (Jesus), DAUGHTER of God the Father, and SPOUSE of God the Holy Spirit. Of course, when we use these terms we don’t mean them in a carnal/sexual since…I know you will try to understand it in that way, since Muslim males are generally carnal-minded sex maniacs.