Islam as a system of life

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planten said:
O.K. I will look in your bibleNT about the pregnancy of Mary before marriage while she was still in the temple. That was before she met her real husband, Joseph the carpentar.

Would you please explain that to any one? Your bible is like our Hadith, and inferior to our books of Hadith.
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Please do… I am waiting for that.
 
chrisse said:
It never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant muslims are of the persecution that non-muslims, and other muslims, suffer under shariah law. And the way they play the perpetual victims, all the while being the guilty oppressors, can only be achieved by a total and willing suspension of reality.

May G-d bless you swariffin, I just checked your profile. In parts of Indonesian persecution of Christians, subtle and not-subtle, is already being practised; and there seems to be a push for further islamisation of your wonderful country.
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Thanks for knowing me better. God bless you
 
planten said:
chrisse, calling allah as satan, Your prayer is doomed. Your prayer means nothing and will not be heard by any spiritual power. You have no spirit but only an ugly mind.
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I know that you are upset, my dear friend. Please note that Chrisse stated allah instead of Allah. If you believe in Allah instead of allah, you should not be upset.
 
👍 :eek: 😛 I hadn’t even noticed that! That’s funny!🙂
swariffin said:
I know that you are upset, my dear friend. Please note that Chrisse stated allah instead of Allah. If you believe in Allah instead of allah, you should not be upset.
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In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
swariffin said:
… if the muslims in UK does not want to be Brits, they are free to emigrate to Saudi Arabia, correct?
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anyone ever asked US Jews if they are loyal to Israel or US first ?
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
swariffin said:
… If you believe in Allah instead of allah, you should not be upset.
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if anyone writes jesus is satan , mary is mother of satan , then will u say that it’s ok to write so ? Her intention is clear , she is spreading hatred , she is provoking Muslims unnecessarily.
 
“Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.”

I disagree. Islam is a dangerous cult, one against which the Judeo-Christian world has fought for over 1400 years, and will fight against for the rest of human time. Peaceful co-habitation with Islam simply isn’t possible.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

anyone ever asked US Jews if they are loyal to Israel or US first ?
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Do you know any US Jews? I do. No US Jew that I’ve ever met has split loyalties between the USA and Israel, because the USA supports Israel. Can the same be said about US Muslims?

This is an unfair comparison anyway, since Jews are generally fully integrated into whatever society they are in, since they have been a cohesive diaspora for a long time, much longer than Muslims. The first American Muslim organization appeared only in 1906 (by contrast, Jews first came in large numbers during the colonial period in the 17th century), and until very, very recently the majority of immigrants from the Middle East to the USA were CHRISTIAN, not Muslim (I think Christians still make up something like 60% of the US Arabs, compared to ~10% or less in the Middle East itself). So there is not a fair comparison to be made here. Honestly, most US Jews that I have met do not really care very much about Israel except as a concept (sort of like US Muslims and their global “ummah”; it is important, even if they apparently don’t want to live in a Muslim country), since there are more Jews in the USA anyway, and it is safer in the USA since they generally do not have to worry about being “suicide bombed” on a bus or hit with a Qassam rocket anywhere in the USA.
 
swariffin said:
Gee, R_not, if the muslims in UK does not want to be Brits, they are free to emigrate to Saudi Arabia, correct?
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They want the UK to be under total sharia law and to be muslim. period. that is the stated goal and the ‘way of their koran/prophet’. If they don’t kill or convert them - then subjugate them.

In fact, there will come a time when they start calling the non-muslims there the ‘occupiers’. They do it in other lands - they will do it there. The stated goal has already given a time line - in the next 10-20 years - probably much sooner since the Brits seem to be already acquiescing to sharia laws now in some areas. It is called ‘creeping sharia’.

Here is information on the Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘The Project’ - an article about how/when this information was found.

The Project, part2

We found similar docs here - but they have not released it.

Government Exhibit 300-0085

We really need to get our heads out of the sand and listen to what they are saying. they tell us all the time what their goals are - unfortunately, we listen too much to the ‘noise’ of the ‘peaceful’ ones whose main goal is to intentionally deceive us 6:25 6:110 17:45-76, and are silent until their violent ones are attacked by the ones that they have been attacking for months/years.
 
dzheremi said:
Do you know any US Jews? I do. No US Jew that I’ve ever met has split loyalties between the USA and Israel, because the USA supports Israel. Can the same be said about US Muslims?

This is an unfair comparison anyway, since Jews are generally fully integrated into whatever society they are in, since they have been a cohesive diaspora for a long time, much longer than Muslims. The first American Muslim organization appeared only in 1906 (by contrast, Jews first came in large numbers during the colonial period in the 17th century), and until very, very recently the majority of immigrants from the Middle East to the USA were CHRISTIAN, not Muslim (I think Christians still make up something like 60% of the US Arabs, compared to ~10% or less in the Middle East itself). So there is not a fair comparison to be made here. Honestly, most US Jews that I have met do not really care very much about Israel except as a concept (sort of like US Muslims and their global “ummah”; it is important, even if they apparently don’t want to live in a Muslim country), since there are more Jews in the USA anyway, and it is safer in the USA since they generally do not have to worry about being “suicide bombed” on a bus or hit with a Qassam rocket anywhere in the USA.
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I know a Jewess who is a citizen between Israel and the USA and she is very loyal to the USA. Her son is in Israel. Oh, and she doesn’t shove her religion in everyone’s faces either. the only reason why I found out that she was a Jew was one day when we were having lunch, shortly after 9/11, I asked - ‘why do they hate us?’. Yes, that old question that many have asked with the difference being that after she recommended some books for me to read - I kept on reading and researching, and finally joined a group - Act for America.

I did indeed read quite a bit of Christians who have treated the Jews poorly too - and we should be ashamed of ourselves and learn from that. but, the Jews, Christians and other non-muslims (some who have been completely wiped out by muslims) have one thing in common and that is that the muslims are taught to hate us. So, that was the answer to my question.

They don’t hate us because they know us and hate us, our personalities or the way we look - no they hate us because someone told them to hate us. A guy who hated so many himself - some of which I am surprised are muslim since they were hated by their ‘prophet’. And I am talking about the Persians who now comprise, mostly of, Iran and Iraq. A guy who hated women - his mommy rejected him, his wet nurse rejected him and handed him back to his mother, and then the ultimate betrayal/abandonment when his mother died when he was about 4-5 years old.

I have seen videos of little muslim children, so young that they don’t even know what a Jew or a Westerner is, reciting their hatred of Jews and the West. It is disgusting. their hatred so complete that they give their children over to jihadist training.

Oh, they tell us that they hate us because of our government, our ‘immoral’ ways (their immorality is so agregious that it would take a couple of threads to get into that!), our clothes, our religion, etc. It is all excuses. Children are taught to hate Jews and the West and there is nothing else until they grow up and learn that they need to give excuses for hatred.

No peep out of ‘peaceful’ muslims over this agregious of human conditions within their own. but ‘silence is acceptance’, per mohammed.
 
of course she was making a distinction! She was not poking fun at Muslims unnecessarily she is making a clear distinction between the Islamic interpretation of g-d which she does not agree with and the Christian interpretation that she and I do agree represents almighty God in his fullness. I do the same thing I distinguish between the Islamic interpretation of g-d in the Christian view of God because when I am speaking Turkish I certainly want people in the know that I’m not Muslim therefore I do not believe in the Islamic interpretation of g-d but making this distinction is not spreading hate at all. On the contrary when Muslims accuse Christians of worshiping three godsi nstead of one when they know this is untrue now that is what I call hateful. Not only that. Muslims don’t even use English names they use Arabic ones so I do not understand why you wrote the English names here when Muslims don’t even use them.
Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

if anyone writes jesus is satan , mary is mother of satan , then will u say that it’s ok to write so ? Her intention is clear , she is spreading hatred , she is provoking Muslims unnecessarily.
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Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

if anyone writes jesus is satan , mary is mother of satan , then will u say that it’s ok to write so ? Her intention is clear , she is spreading hatred , she is provoking Muslims unnecessarily.
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Anybody can and have a free choice not to believe Jesus, even to ridicule Him. For sure, the matter is between him/herself and Jesus. No other human including the Christian can condemn him/her to death because of that.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
what if USA stops supporting Israel ?
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What if? 🤷

Sorry, Muslim Woman, but I think you are asking the wrong person. I do not support Israel, nor do I determine the U.S. policy towards Israel vis-a-vis the Israel-Palestine conflict. I’m not even Jewish.

So I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you should ask some U.S. Jews?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

anyone ever asked US Jews if they are loyal to Israel or US first ?
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Right after you tell me where is the Jewish nation or people calling out to live under civil laws as commanded by their books.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

if anyone writes jesus is satan , mary is mother of satan , then will u say that it’s ok to write so ? Her intention is clear , she is spreading hatred , she is provoking Muslims unnecessarily.
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Muslims are not only unnecessarily provoking non-muslims in muslim majority countries, they are unnecessarily persecuting them - slaughter, rape, kidnap, destruction of their homes and business … it goes on and on. And YOU are ready to throw a tanty over words. Oh, I forgot, you are muslim : the perpetually offended.
 
R_not said:
Taliban seems to be taking over Pakistan and their government is cowering.

Pakistan government resigns itself to defeat against Taliban torching girl’s schools

And no group of muslims stand up against this. No rioting, no protesting, nothing. silence is acceptance, mohammed.
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R_not, of course not. It’s okay when its muslims killing, persecuting, raping, slaughtering other muslims. Doh. Just not when it’s non-muslims defending themselves from the muslim aggressors.
 
chrisse said:
Muslims are not only unnecessarily provoking non-muslims in muslim majority countries, they are unnecessarily persecuting them - slaughter, rape, kidnap, destruction of their homes and business … it goes on and on. And YOU are ready to throw a tanty over words. Oh, I forgot, you are muslim : the perpetually offended.
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Oh yeah and don’t forget she calls anyone a liar who dares challenge the actions of her Prophet Mohammed or her Koran but of course it’s perfectly okay for her to distort Christianity as a Muslim by saying Christians worship three gods and not one. Double standard is it not?
 
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