Islam as a system of life

[chrisse]

chrisse,
Speaking God, I don’t know if you’re aware of this but Arabic Christians use the word Allah when referring to God also it’s not just Islamic. I also use it myself it is just the Arabic word for God and I choose to use it when I am speaking Turkish. Of course when Christians use it we are referring to the Trinity which is why you see me writing stuff like Islamic version to distinguish the Islamic use of Allah versus its Christian meaning. Please be careful when you write stuff using Allah because otherwise Arabic Christians and in my case a Turkish Catholic who also uses Allah might think you are talking to them as well

Thank you Aydan, but I am aware of this, but are you aware that Allah is the NAME of the Islamic god, whereas the Christian God has no name.

Further, are you aware that it is not unusual when speaking a foreign language to use the words common to that language.

Further, are you aware that the arabs invaded the lands around Saudi Arabia (now known as), they were not the indigenous people, nor was arabic the indigenous language. The indigenous people were slaughtered, enslaved and forced into dhimmitude. The Copts are a case in point, to force them to use arabic and not their indigenous Coptic language, their ancesters had their tongues cut out.

When Christian arabs use ‘allah’ they are using it simply as a word to describe our Lord, not as God’s name, as the mohammedans do.

My understanding is that Indian Hindus also use the word god when in English speaking countries. Does that mean they are referring to our Lord?

I do not mean any disrespect to those who have lived in persecution under Islam for centuries; rather I now have an understanding of their plight. This came to me in another forum where I met “Palestinian” Christians. I have reflected on how to approach this, I’ve now decided to not refer to “Palestinian” Christians (I do not recognise Palestine), but to Holy Land Christians. I may have been lax in my replies, but try to always put the islam with the allah to denote exactly what I am referring to.

My apologies, I will try to be more aware, and ensure that I always refer to the islamic allah.

 

[chrisse]

chrisse, calling allah as satan, Your prayer is doomed. Your prayer means nothing and will not be heard by any spiritual power. You have no spirit but only an ugly mind.

Planeten, islam is a heresy and blasphemy against our Lord. Your islamic allah holds no power over me, nor the power to punish me.

Our Lord told us we would be the persecuted Church, and we must take up his Cross and stay strong to defend our Lord. I can assure you Planten, I am strong enough in my faith to do so.

I have not suffered as my brothers and sisters in Christ have under persecution of the adherents of islam. My respect for their courage and faith gives me the strength to continue in this Crusade against those who wish to destroy Christ’s Church on earth.

I have however, had my own cross to bear, and those who know my personal life, have spoken with amazement at how I have done so (many of whom are not Christian). So now I see I was tested and came through. And now I KNOW for what purpose.

May G-d open your eyes to the truth, Planten. I’ll pray to my Lord for you and all muslims who are indoctrinated and blinded by the Greatest Liar and Deceiver - allah

 

[chrisse]

Ok, here are the texts that say that Satan is up a person’s nose - and some more - ALL from mohammed/allah (mohammed’s alter ego)

So planten you need to stop putting curses on people for quoting ISLAM’S OWN TEXTS!

And Bukhari is an authorized translation - there are 5 authorized translations of which Bukhari is one of them.

Thanks R_not. I must admit I get lazy with this. I see their demands for sources as yet another form of taqiya. They either know these verses, or if they do not, they do not know their ideology.

Ignorance is not an excuse any more, and I’ve become very intolerant of their games.

My prayers and thoughts to all muslims who are also living under the persecution of islam, who in their hearts and conscience are with the Lord, but they dare not speak as they fear the consequences to themselves and their loved ones.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

May G-d open your eyes to the truth,

why u write God as G-d ?

 

[Aydan]

Yes I know that it’s common for languages to adopt words and all that it’s just a personal preference to use Allah. I don’t use the word God very much there is another word for God in Turkish that I use from time to time but I use Allah in church to avoid any confusion that I’m talking about God. But bottom-line it’s a personal preference for me and thank you for the information By the way there are actually 99 names for God in Islam…

Thank you Aydan, but I am aware of this, but are you aware that Allah is the NAME of the Islamic god, whereas the Christian God has no name.

Further, are you aware that it is not unusual when speaking a foreign language to use the words common to that language.

Further, are you aware that the arabs invaded the lands around Saudi Arabia (now known as), they were not the indigenous people, nor was arabic the indigenous language. The indigenous people were slaughtered, enslaved and forced into dhimmitude. The Copts are a case in point, to force them to use arabic and not their indigenous Coptic language, their ancesters had their tongues cut out.

When Christian arabs use ‘allah’ they are using it simply as a word to describe our Lord, not as God’s name, as the mohammedans do.

My understanding is that Indian Hindus also use the word god when in English speaking countries. Does that mean they are referring to our Lord?

I do not mean any disrespect to those who have lived in persecution under Islam for centuries; rather I now have an understanding of their plight. This came to me in another forum where I met “Palestinian” Christians. I have reflected on how to approach this, I’ve now decided to not refer to “Palestinian” Christians (I do not recognise Palestine), but to Holy Land Christians. I may have been lax in my replies, but try to always put the islam with the allah to denote exactly what I am referring to.

My apologies, I will try to be more aware, and ensure that I always refer to the islamic allah.

 

[Aydan]

it’s a common spelling to use when people feel that’s inappropriate to write out the word God. For example Jewish people use it a lot because they think it is inappropriate at all times to write the word God.

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

why u write God as G-d ?

 

[chrisse]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

why u write God as G-d ?

As Ayden explained. There was also an article from Pope Benedict on this issue not so long ago. It wasn’t an order, so much as a recommendation.

 

[Aydan]

really? I was not aware that Pope Benedict spoke out on this issue. Do you have anymore information on this article?

As Ayden explained. There was also an article from Pope Benedict on this issue not so long ago. It wasn’t an order, so much as a recommendation.

 

[R_not]

Thanks R_not. I must admit I get lazy with this. I see their demands for sources as yet another form of taqiya. They either know these verses, or if they do not, they do not know their ideology.

Ignorance is not an excuse any more, and I’ve become very intolerant of their games.

My prayers and thoughts to all muslims who are also living under the persecution of islam, who in their hearts and conscience are with the Lord, but they dare not speak as they fear the consequences to themselves and their loved ones.

No problem. I found the one about Satan up the nose and found a few more!

I will post them again

Muhammad said that upon awakening one must
blow his nose three times to rid himself of the Devil, who spends the night in a man’s nostrils (Sahih Bukhari IV, 516; Muslim I, 462),

that yawning is from Satan (Bukhari IV, 509),

that if a Muslim falls asleep praying Satan urinates in his ears (Bukhari II:245),

and people who pray with their eyes lifted toward heaven might have their eyes snatched away (Muslim I, 863).

 

[swariffin]

**The original post was about the Muslims taking over the world. I know that the Muslims have many wrong beliefs and notions. All they need is a freedom to practice their faith fully without any restrictions. But at the same time the Muslims should not try for any political upheaval. In fact they need not organise against any established Government.

If ever they do, they will be in much trouble. It would be illegal to do any subversive act. They need not demand anything in the western countries but rather accept whatever is offered and whatever is allowed. They are like guests in those countries. It is not fit for any guest to demand anything. I will soon describe another scenerio, different to the one that OP had presented. (Continued…)**

Indonesia currently still considered itself as a secular country, though the muslim are more than 85% of the total population. If you are an Indonesian muslim within the majority population, what would you do? Convert Indonesia to become officially a muslim country?

 

[chrisse]

really? I was not aware that Pope Benedict spoke out on this issue. Do you have anymore information on this article?

No, sorry. It was one of those articles on the internet, quoting things that the Pope said. As I recall he mentioned how the Jews do not use G-d’s name, and we should not either. As I said, it wasn’t said as a set thing. I liked it though, just another way of separating us from islam

 

[chrisse]

Indonesia currently still considered itself as a secular country, though the muslim are more than 85% of the total population. If you are an Indonesian muslim within the majority population, what would you do? Convert Indonesia to become officially a muslim country?

It never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant muslims are of the persecution that non-muslims, and other muslims, suffer under shariah law. And the way they play the perpetual victims, all the while being the guilty oppressors, can only be achieved by a total and willing suspension of reality.

May G-d bless you swariffin, I just checked your profile. In parts of Indonesian persecution of Christians, subtle and not-subtle, is already being practised; and there seems to be a push for further islamisation of your wonderful country.

 

[Aydan]

yeah I like that idea of using it to distinguish us from Muslims I never thought about using before until I saw you using it to make the distinction I think I will start doing that as well.

No, sorry. It was one of those articles on the internet, quoting things that the Pope said. As I recall he mentioned how the Jews do not use G-d’s name, and we should not either. As I said, it wasn’t said as a set thing. I liked it though, just another way of separating us from islam

 

[swariffin]

**Who says that verse (about no compulsion in religion) is abrogated? God is revealing something and you are abrogating it??.

The only problem is that Muslims are not practicing it. They permit perple to come into the fold of Islam. But the Muslims do not allow any one to leave Islam. That means, they act on the verse of no compulsion only 50%, to their own advantage. But that is a very bad bad practice. The Muslims should mend their understanding of Islam. There is no order (in the Quran) to kill any apostate.

Those who want to leave Islam should be freely allowed to do so, openly and happily, niether in fear nor with unhappy feelings.

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If ALL muslims think and act the way you do, we will surely end up in more peaceful world, Planten.

 

[swariffin]

Can I say:
Islam is a compete way of earthy life, and Christianity is a complete way for eternal life.

Actually, brother. I don’t care whatever the muslims believe, as long as they truly believe and practice in “No compulsion in religion, and no threat to anybody to enter and exit Islam”.

 

[swariffin]

http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Salaam/peace

Of Course , why not ? Prophet taught us Bathroom etiquette , what’s wrong with it ?

Also , he taught that Eating , sleeping , talking , close intimacy with spouse , taking bath everything can be considered as Ibadah/ worshipping God if u have good intention to please God ; if u thank God for everything He gave u as His blessings etc.

I wish that Muhammad teaches Kamasutra a la Islam too with OUR LEGALLY MARRIED WIFE.

 

[swariffin]

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You can say anything from yourself, not from your religion. Because you do not have any religion. Jesus did not leave any christianity. He was a Jew and he had come to help the Jews, to fulfil the law of Moses a.s., not to abondon the law of Moses. He did not teach anything new or contrary to the Jewish teachings.

But his own people (The Jews) did not accept him as they do not accept him even now, he left the scene in a hurry telling his friends that he had yet many things to say unto them (John ch.16). It means there was a lot more he needed to tell but he could not do it.

So your system is incomplete. What Jesus could not complete, nobody else could do that. because others were not prophets or messengers of God. Whatever they had, they lost during the oppression period.
The enemies of Jesus did not stop their ugly mission. They (in disguise) played havoc with the real beliefs of Jesus.

Please know that Islam provides a complete code of life for this world and the next world. Just compare your empty book (bibleNT) with the bibleOT. See how much guidance is there in bibleOT about all matters in fine detail. What have you got in your bibleNT? Almost nothing, no guidance at all. Just a slogan of “Love thy Enemy”. That is not enough for living a good life.

Please consider and accept the truth. Be a Jew or a Muslim.

Problem is, Islam is not the fulfillment of Jewish religion. In fact, quite the contrary to it. Why not suggesting Sam to be a full Muslim, and before that, be a full Muslim yourself.

 

[swariffin]

I brought this up before - maybe not on this thread, but this thread seems appropriate since it is islam as a way of life.

UK muslims polled and 44% don’t want to be Brits.

Gee, R_not, if the muslims in UK does not want to be Brits, they are free to emigrate to Saudi Arabia, correct?

 

[swariffin]

Chrisse, any one can make a bad video. I have a book “Da Vinci Code” and a Video too of same title. It is telling that Jesus was surely secretly married to Mary Magd and he had a son from her too.

I am not advertising that video unless you would like me to do so. I feel like believing that Jesus being a perfect man, must have been married and had children. What do you sy about that? But I do not advertis ethat.

I am not saying that I am going to advertise anything about Muhammad. I would rather use my time for more constructive things. But, if you threatened to advertise the Da Vinci code, my response is GO AHEAD. I am very sure that no Christian will ever threatened you. I am also believe that Jesus will forgive you.

 

[chrisse]

I wish that Muhammad teaches Kamasutra a la Islam too with OUR LEGALLY MARRIED WIFE.