Islam/Gnosticism connection

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Zlatan said:
lol yes but there werent supposed to be any prophets after
mohammed so Joseph Smith doesnt count lol. Nor do mormons worship a diety called allah or have any islamic rituals lol
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Dear Zlatan,

Anyone who would like to start a new religion, he/she must declare him/self as a prophet, regardless what the existing religions said. Otherwise, no one will be attracted and converted.
 
Zlatan said:
lol yes but there werent supposed to be any prophets after
mohammed so Joseph Smith doesnt count lol. Nor do mormons worship a diety called allah or have any islamic rituals lol
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that’s right! so what conclusion does that lead to? 🙂

For me, and of course others may disagree, the evidence is quite clear ~ the so-called “evidence” of Islam and Mormons, although quite separate in terms of human time, are similar in that their so-called “revalations” both purport to be from “Angels”. But these so-called “Angels” are not from God. There is absolutely no evidence for any other conclusion. You can decide for yourself, if it is important to you, where these so-called Angels came from. They did not come from God. So who has a vested interest in misleading the rest of us?

Our Bible warns of these things, so we can disregard all of their so-called prophecy. Those that choose to follow the guidance of these so-called angels do so at their peril. They have been warned repeatedly.
 
MelanieAnne said:
that’s right! so what conclusion does that lead to? 🙂

For me, and of course others may disagree, the evidence is quite clear ~ the so-called “evidence” of Islam and Mormons, although quite separate in terms of human time, are similar in that their so-called “revalations” both purport to be from “Angels”. But these so-called “Angels” are not from God. There is absolutely no evidence for any other conclusion. You can decide for yourself, if it is important to you, where these so-called Angels came from. They did not come from God. So who has a vested interest in misleading the rest of us?

Our Bible warns of these things, so we can disregard all of their so-called prophecy. Those that choose to follow the guidance of these so-called angels do so at their peril. They have been warned repeatedly.
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You are absolutely correct. I mentioned as much in an earlier post. The Enemy will always reuse tricks that work.

“Angel” comes to lost person, tells of hidden (occult) knowledge that is hidden/has been lost that is God’s new/final message for humanity.

The only problem with it is that it always contradicts what is already known and is heretical. Both Mormons and Muslims are works related religions requiring adherents to do special things. Both claim that these new works are the real word of God and that the earlier known works are either corrupted or wrong.

Very interesting
 
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I have read something to this effect as well. Much of what Muhammed DIDN’T like about Christianity was from some of the more obscure sects of Christianity that made their home in Arabia.

The “clay pidgeons” are from the “Infancy Gospel of Thomas”, not the “Gospel of Thomas”. The infancy gospel is quite late in it’s writing…the “Gospel of Thomas” is a collection of “sayings” of Jesus…it has no stories from which to draw from. Many of the sayings parallel the synoptics. It really doesn’t meet “Gnostic” criteria, and is much closer to a “blend” of proto-orthodox and gnostic. The “Thomas Christians” were a group that existed…much like the Johanine, Pauline, Petrine sects of the first and second century, but eventually were “blended” into what came to be called “Orthodox/Catholic” Christianity.

Eilene Pagels is one author in her book “Beyond Belief” that contrasts the two different sects of Johanine and Thomas Christians.

The Mandeans may have been the followers of John the Baptist which believed Jesus usurped his “messiahhood” and took his followers…Jesus in Mandean belief is not “the good guy”.

Much of the misconceptions Muhammed had about Christianity was most likely from some of the more obscure sects which existed in Arabia at that time…he had contact with some of them…I believe his idea of Mary being “God’s spouse” or the fourth person of the Godhead was from one of the sects he came in contact with…extreem Mariology was running quite high at that time I believe.
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No Muhammad misunderstood the Trinity, he never counted the Holy Spirit to be one of the trinity, but confused him with angel Gabriel. the trinity in Muhammads eye was God, Jesus and Mary
 
That is another proof that Muhammad got his quran from the neighbouring so called christian, because they where agnostics, if God had revealed the quran he should have known that the meeting in nicea had determined the trinity to consist of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that mary was not a part of the trinity
 
again i challenge all muslims of CAF , if Allah sent prophets to all peopleo n earth then i challenge you to produce records from remote cultures in Asia or the Americas of mysterious prophets coming a long and telling people to worship a diety called Allah. The fact that Monothiesm did not exist outside of the middle-east proves that this never happaned
 
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Salaam/peace
anjoh66 said:
… the meeting in nicea had determined the trinity
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it means Jesus (p) did not teach Trinity . It was the nicea council
who did that.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/peace

it means Jesus (p) did not teach Trinity . It was the nicea council
who did that.
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No. You do not understand what is meant by defining. The Trinity was taught by Jesus to the Apostles, and it is shown in Scripture. However, there was confusion later about what was and was not part of the doctrine. The Council of Nicea defined the doctrine, which means it cleared up the confusion about what was and was not part of our understanding about the Trinity.

Besides, Allah should have known what that Trinity was if he knew everything. Even if you Muslims are right and Jesus was a lier, Alaah should have know what Christians beleive. Not just the heretics that were buddies with Muhammed, but all of Christianity.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/peace

it means Jesus (p) did not teach Trinity . It was the nicea council
who did that.
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Jesus hinted at the Trinity in John 14: 30-31

30I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, 31but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.
"Come now; let us leave.
 
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