Islam is BAD!!!

[cathopologist]

A CNN program entitled “Fast Growing Islam Winning Converts in the Western World” pointed to the increasing number of Christians converting to Islam.

An Al-Jazeera interview with an imam claimed that there are 6 million converts to Christianity every year in Africa.
(Click to watch video)

An ABC program reported that the number of Muslims has long since passed one billion, and gave information on the basic tenets of Islam, The article below refers to the growth of interest in Islam particularly after 9/11.

"They Want Jesus Instead": Why Muslims Convert

The Muslim population has passed 7 million, In America, many mosques were filled to overflowing at Friday prayers and streets were filled with Muslims performing their prayers.(Middle)

An internet site called “Islam-World’s Fastest Growing Religion” carries many items about the growth of Islam.
(www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3016/fastest.htm)

According to the website Islam Watch, in Russia, some two million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity last year. Ten thousand French Muslims converted, as did 35,000 Turkish Muslims. In India, approximately 10,000 people abandoned Islam for Christianity. - From article: “They Want Jesus Instead”: Why Muslims Convert

The Rise Of Islam Will Continue

riseofislam.com

The Muslim-turned-Christian says he does not think Islam will survive for more than 25 years because the truth about Islam will be exposed given the mass communication available in the modern age.
From article: Top Hamas leader’s son converts to Christianity

 

[dzheremi]

We can play this sort of tit-for-tat game with links all day, folks…

I assume that Muslim Woman is talking about some place in Europe where Muslim women are apparently turned away from university for wearing their hijab. If it happens, it’s surely a tragedy and not something I support. At the university in my town, I see many young women in hijab as well as young men with full beards and nobody speaks badly of them for it or tells them that they cannot dress in that way.

As to all this “Islam is the fastest growing religion” business…I don’t know a nice way to put this, but in terms of the connotations of merit Muslims apparently think that confers upon their faith, I really couldn’t care less. Fastest growing doesn’t mean anything, especially in the United States where so many people who once considered themselves “Christian” either never learned their faith to begin with or fell away from it years ago. I’m not suprised if Islam is attractive to those people, since even a shallow pool of water must seem like a miracle from God to those who spend their lives in the desert. I do not mean to sound as though there is nothing good in Islam, because certainly there is. I’ve learned a lot about it from Muslim friends in my town and posters on this board and elsewhere. But I would say that the great things about Islam are mostly those that it shares in common with Christianity, and the things which it does not share with Christianity are mostly negative or neutral, so I cannot personally understand its appeal for anyone in the West other than the confused, embittered, and alienated…sort of like the apparent appeal of Mormonism as discussed in those threads. If Islam is growing among westerners as it appears to be, unfortunately I think churches must share some of the blame. The reactionary questioning of faith that occurs in virtually every family when the youth come of age ought to be met with love, and seen as a challenge and opportunity for everyone to explain and defend the faith right then and there, lest the young (or older, should it happen then) Christian be swayed by the false picture of Christianity that they get from the Muslims and their Qur’an, or the Mormons and their Book of Mormon, or any others who think they can speak for the faith and the Church better than it can speak for itself using the words of our Holy Bible and the depth and strength of its own traditions.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

You seem to have forgotten that David was an Israelite and Goliath was Palestinian. LOL

Prophet David / Dawud (pbuh) was a Muslim.

 

[inJESUS]

Salaam/peace;

Prophet David / Dawud (pbuh) was a Muslim.

a muslim, not a Muslim…a muslim is someone who submit to God and His Word, a Muslim is a follower of Muhammad. Does muslim equal Muslim? no, because to submit to God and His Word (muslim) does not equal submitting to God yet rejecting His teachings as corrupt and follow other teachings(Muslim).

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace;

Prophet David / Dawud (pbuh) was a Muslim.

Oh yes! Patriarch Noah spent long hours on facebook! Moses preferred MSN though.

 

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace;

Prophet David / Dawud (pbuh) was a Muslim.

So was Ubayd-Allah ibn Jahsh. Until he found out what a fraud Mohammad was…And he became Christian.

 

[morning_star777]

Salaam/peace;

Prophet David / Dawud (pbuh) was a Muslim.

sorry,David was a jewish king.so he was a jewish not a muslim.history will support it.But I know according to koran, all biblical prophets were muslim.but this information of quran is not correct.Prove that king david was muslim but without references of koran.can you prove it?

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… But when Muslimah wears Hijab they prevent her from entering university! …

I think you’ll find that it actually has nothing to do with the Hijab.

… When someone sacrificing himself to keep others life, he is a noble one and all respects him…

Not all sacrifices are recognised; It still bothers me that Islam denies the crucifixion (see Qur’an 4:157).

… When a Christian or Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to a trial!

That’s probably because we haven’t learnt enough about the so-called prophet Muhammad.

…
**…But then again, why is it after all that, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world? ** :extrahappy:

I guess it’s easy to be the fastest growing religion in the world when the penalty for leaving it is death.

 

[medallionsnijme]

Salaam/peace;

“EVER WONDER WHY?”

Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she is respected for devoting her self to God?

But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed and they are reactionary!

Any girl can go to university wearing as she need and have her rights and freedom?

But when Muslimah wears Hijab they prevent her from entering university!

Doganay says she respected the law, but the law did not respect her religion.

When someone sacrificing himself to keep others life, he is a noble one and all respects him.

But when a Palestinian do that to save his son from being killed, his brother’s arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated. He gets the title of terrorist! Why? Because he is Muslim!

…When a Christian or Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to a trial!

**…But then again, why is it after all that, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world? **

muslim woman,

i have a problem with the 'oh woes me im a muslim woman" stuff. i lived in sydney australia for nearly 4 years and there are a TON of muslim people there. i went to university there AND i went to tech school (not to mention all the places that i worked) and NOBODY (unless they were the typical “yobbo” type (i dont know another word to explain in “nicer terms” yobbo) that would have something bad to say about anyone of any color, background, or creed, in which case what they say doesnt count in this statement because theyre not singling any one people out) ever complained or kept any muslim women out! THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DID WERE THEIR MUSLIM FAMILIES INFLUENCES. so dont cry to me because the rest of the world wants to see your women be granted the right to have a great education and have jobs in the outside world as they should! if anything look to your own religion critically and tell me where the problems are. hmm, who runs families: MEN. men who love controlling their women by fear and intimidation so that they cant be smarter than they are and then see where the injustices lie. ENOUGH SAID.

and as for frace, they tend to be political pushovers over a lot of things ever since…what, WWII???..they seem to want to make the world happy. i dont agree with their ban on the head scarves, i think its rediculous. if it were the whole body shroud type thing with a window, i would probably be supporting them in their decision because you dont KNOW whos behind there, so fair enough. there was a lot of respect for the muslim women there (i dont see many where i live now in the us), and whether or not we agreed with what they believed, they had all the freedom the country offered…minus the freedoms taken away by controlling families because of the laws of islam.

you said: But when a Palestinian do that to save his son from being killed, his brother’s arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated. He gets the title of terrorist! Why? Because he is Muslim!

i dont care what you say, there is NO REASON to kill multitudes of people to "save’ your family. yes, there are many injustices that have been happening that im not condoning. just so is it right to go and mass murder people for protection when there are INNOCENT people nearby? its never right. what good are you doing your family by killing yourself? martyrdom and suicide are two different avenues! not that islam really makes that clear by any stretch of the imagination!

when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to a trial!

yes, muslim woman, islam DOES go to trial! WHY? its simple: its because its the law that muslims live by day in and day out. your “religion of peace” governs everything you do, even how you wash yourself…its like the law promotes OCD before praying! SO OF COURSE ISLAM IS THE THING TRIED because there is no distinction between what crimes are committed and the person because your “peaceful” law that you follow tends to promote a HECK OF A LOT of horrendous things that have already been stated in this forum.

i will tell you WHY islam is the fastest growing religion: because in this day and age, families are desintigrating and children arent being properly taught. nobodys taking responsibility for the problems that they see and are responsible for. next to that this world is full of “worldly delights” and fleshly pleasures. this is the time of “if it feels good, do it”…much like the promises of heaven for good muslims…especially men. oh yay 72 virgins. i can only bet whatll be happening there…whatever you deprive yourself of on earth you get in heaven. but then theres a lot of muslim men that drink secretly. theres muslim men that love porn. theres muslim men that like to put on a good front, deceive their wives and have girlfriends and lovers on the side, but its ok, hes “absolved” of his wrongdoing because hes got a certain member that women dont have. so this worlds fastest growing religion is islam because its a deception thats appealing to many. they dont accept Christ because the message Christ came to bring is too hard and “doesnt feel good” and Christ wouldn’t condone their actions. they convert because there is no punishment in islam. they convert because they think they can escape the Truth that IS Christ. They convert for an easy way out and because its so easy to follow what people say. nobody thinks for themselves anymore. theyre not willin to put in the work to really scrutinize what it is that IS islam vs. what it IS to be Christian. theyr lazy, and islam is the lazy way, the easy way that Christ warned us about. its easy to want all these precious things here on earth, but theyre not gonna go with you to the afterlife. but when the “afterlife” (or “afterdeath”) is presented in such a carnal way, heck, its quite appealing (if youre male). do you really think that Heaven would be so physical? i mean if Heaven is supposed to be greater than anything that we’ve seen or could dream about, why would you be stuck in a place thats full of lust (with the 72 virgins), or gluttony (with all the drinking), and all the excess smoking…i cant think of Heaven in those terms, and quite frankly, i would think about that for a while. what is the best Heaven that you can think of? would it not be one where you are united to your God forever and live in His glory and bliss? or would you want to be in a “bliss” where you worship your idols (the 72 virgins, the drinking, the smoking,etc) for the rest of eternity? “Where your treasure is, there your heart will be.”

 

[medallionsnijme]

Salaam/peace;
“EVER WONDER WHY?”
Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she is respected for devoting her self to God?
But when Muslimah does the same she oppressed and they are reactionary!
Any girl can go to university wearing as she need and have her rights and freedom?
But when Muslimah wears Hijab they prevent her from entering university!
Doganay says she respected the law, but the law did not respect her religion.
When someone sacrificing himself to keep others life, he is a noble one and all respects him.
But when a Palestinian do that to save his son from being killed, his brother’s arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated. He gets the title of terrorist! Why? Because he is Muslim!..When a Christian or Jew kills someone religion is not mentioned, but when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to a trial!
**…But then again, why is it after all that, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world? **

muslim woman,

i have a problem with the 'oh woes me im a muslim woman" stuff. i lived in sydney australia for nearly 4 years and there are a TON of muslim people there. i went to university there AND i went to tech school (not to mention all the places that i worked) and NOBODY (unless they were the typical “yobbo” type (i dont know another word to explain in “nicer terms” yobbo) that would have something bad to say about anyone of any color, background, or creed, in which case what they say doesnt count in this statement because theyre not singling any one people out) ever complained or kept any muslim women out! THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DID WERE THEIR MUSLIM FAMILIES INFLUENCES. so dont cry to me because the rest of the world wants to see your women be granted the right to have a great education and have jobs in the outside world as they should! if anything look to your own religion critically and tell me where the problems are. hmm, who runs families: MEN. men who love controlling their women by fear and intimidation so that they cant be smarter than they are and then see where the injustices lie. ENOUGH SAID.

and as for frace, they tend to be political pushovers over a lot of things ever since…what, WWII???..they seem to want to make the world happy. i dont agree with their ban on the head scarves, i think its rediculous. if it were the whole body shroud type thing with a window, i would probably be supporting them in their decision because you dont KNOW whos behind there, so fair enough. there was a lot of respect for the muslim women there (i dont see many where i live now in the us), and whether or not we agreed with what they believed, they had all the freedom the country offered…minus the freedoms taken away by controlling families because of the laws of islam.

you said: But when a Palestinian do that to save his son from being killed, his brother’s arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated. He gets the title of terrorist! Why? Because he is Muslim!

i dont care what you say, there is NO REASON to kill multitudes of people to "save’ your family. yes, there are many injustices that have been happening that im not condoning. just so is it right to go and mass murder people for protection when there are INNOCENT people nearby? its never right. what good are you doing your family by killing yourself? martyrdom and suicide are two different avenues! not that islam really makes that clear by any stretch of the imagination!

when Muslim is charged with a crime, it is Islam that goes to a trial!

yes, muslim woman, islam DOES go to trial! WHY? its simple: its because its the law that muslims live by day in and day out. your “religion of peace” governs everything you do, even how you wash yourself…its like the law promotes OCD before praying! SO OF COURSE ISLAM IS THE THING TRIED because there is no distinction between what crimes are committed and the person because your “peaceful” law that you follow tends to promote a HECK OF A LOT of horrendous things that have already been stated in this forum.

i will tell you WHY islam is the fastest growing religion: because in this day and age, families are desintigrating and children arent being properly taught. nobodys taking responsibility for the problems that they see and are responsible for. next to that this world is full of “worldly delights” and fleshly pleasures. this is the time of “if it feels good, do it”…much like the promises of heaven for good muslims…especially men. oh yay 72 virgins. i can only bet whatll be happening there…whatever you deprive yourself of on earth you get in heaven. but then theres a lot of muslim men that drink secretly. theres muslim men that love porn. theres muslim men that like to put on a good front, deceive their wives and have girlfriends and lovers on the side, but its ok, hes “absolved” of his wrongdoing because hes got a certain member that women dont have. so this worlds fastest growing religion is islam because its a deception thats appealing to many. they dont accept Christ because the message Christ came to bring is too hard and “doesnt feel good” and Christ wouldn’t condone their actions. they convert because there is no punishment in islam. they convert because they think they can escape the Truth that IS Christ. They convert for an easy way out and because its so easy to follow what people say. nobody thinks for themselves anymore. theyre not willin to put in the work to really scrutinize what it is that IS islam vs. what it IS to be Christian. theyr lazy, and islam is the lazy way, the easy way that Christ warned us about. its easy to want all these precious things here on earth, but theyre not gonna go with you to the afterlife. but when the “afterlife” (or “afterdeath”) is presented in such a carnal way, heck, its quite appealing (if youre male). do you really think that Heaven would be so physical? i mean if Heaven is supposed to be greater than anything that we’ve seen or could dream about, why would you be stuck in a place thats full of lust (with the 72 virgins), or gluttony (with all the drinking), and all the excess smoking…i cant think of Heaven in those terms, and quite frankly, i would think about that for a while. what is the best Heaven that you can think of? would it not be one where you are united to your God forever and live in His glory and bliss? or would you want to be in a “bliss” where you worship your idols (the 72 virgins, the drinking, the smoking,etc) for the rest of eternity? “Where your treasure is, there your heart will be.”

 

[medallionsnijme]

sorry it posted twice! the post button was being dumb…

 

[medallionsnijme]

sorry,David was a jewish king.so he was a jewish not a muslim.history will support it.But I know according to koran, all biblical prophets were muslim.but this information of quran is not correct.Prove that king david was muslim but without references of koran.can you prove it?

lol please remember that we Christians didnt get the memo that islam was the “first” religion doh2 lol thats why its called “reverting” and not “converting”… were the “rebel” muslims then…haha sorry!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

who runs families: MEN. .

Men are caretakes of women . What women earn …belong to them totally , what men earn , they MUST spend for women …see the difference ?

“Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers.”

From the last sermon of Prophet Mohammed (p)

the message Christ came to bring is too hard and “doesnt feel good”

Christ (p) taught us to worshop one God only & we Muslims do listen to him

My Father is greater than I. Bible, John 14:28—we don’t call God as father but we do beleive that only God is the greatest

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

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A historical testimony of Muslim tolerance to the Christians: Muslim Dome of the Rock next to the Christian Church

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Crusaders plundered Jerusalem and killed all its non-Christian inhabitants.

verses from holy Quran :

God commands you to return to their owners the things you hold on trust and, when you judge between people, to judge with justice.

How excellent is what God exhorts you to do! God is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.

(Surat an-Nisa : 58)

O You who believe!

Be upholders of justice, bearing witness for God alone, even against yourselves or your parents and relatives.

Whether they are rich or poor, God is well able to look after them.

Do not follow your own desires and deviate from the truth. If you twist or turn away, God is aware of what you do.

(Surat an-Nisa: 135)

God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them.

God loves those who are just.

(Surat al-Mumtahana: 8)

islamdenouncesterrorism.com/islam_middleeast.html

Don’t even go there with the Crusader boo hoo stories of centuries ago. Geez, that gets old especially since muslims not only equaled their slaughters of others during that time, and exceeded the murders - they ARE STILL DOING IT!

islam-watch.org/Others/Muslim-Responses-to-Unpleasant-Islamic-Facts.htm

In 1066 - this one muslim pogrom murdered more Jews that the Crusaders did 20 years later. And that was only ONE incident - the Crusades were called AFTER muslims slaughtered and destroyed and created chaos for over 3 centuries.

And don’t show me some picture in a country that the muslims haven’t as of yet torn down the church - since they have plundered and destroyed so many churches, and they continue to do so, or have taken over the churches for their moon god, that it is sickening. don’t even go there.

Read this article on muslims blaming PRAYERS for their own ills.

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022236.php

And don’t start the ‘I don’t like Spencer’ so you won’t read the article - so very convenient so you stay ignorant of the violence muslims do worldwide.

 

[R_not]

You want verses from that book called the koran that I don’t find holy at all:

Sura (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” There is a good case to be made that the overall context of these verses is defensive war, however, there are two worrisome pieces to this passage. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution.” The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.”

Sura (2:244) - “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

Sura (2:216) - “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

Sura (3:56) - “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

Sura (3:151) - “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of killing Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

Sura (4:74) - “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

Sura (4:76) - “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

Sura (4:89) - “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

Sura (4:95) - “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage not only criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, but also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Qur’an, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad).

Sura (4:104) - “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Pursuing an injured enemy is not an act of self-defense.

Sura (5:33) - “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

Sura (8:15) - “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

Sura (8:39) - “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”

Sura (8:57) - “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

Sura (8:59-60) - “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

Sura (9:5) - “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

Sura (9:14) - “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…”

Sura (9:20) - “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The “striving” spoken of here is Jihad.

Sura (9:29) - “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Sura (9:30) - “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

Sura (9:38-39) - “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Sura (9:41) - “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.”

Sura (9:73) - “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

Sura (9:88) - “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

Sura (9:111) - “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”

Sura (9:123) - “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

Sura (21:44) - “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

Sura (25:52) - “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur’an).” “Strive against” is Jihad, obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Sura (47:4) - “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,”

Sura (47:35) - “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”

Sura (48:17) - “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.”

Sura (48:29) - “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”

Sura (61:4) - “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”

Sura (61:10-12) - “O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity.” This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Sura (66:9) - “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites,” those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

 

[medallionsnijme]

Men are caretakes of women . What women earn …belong to them totally , what men earn , they MUST spend for women …see the difference ?

yes, i agree mens role is to take care of their wife and family. at the same time, women shouldnt be in the position where they cannot do things financially for themselves. yes men should support women, however, for men to be financial “slaves” to their wives whims (like unnecessary wants, i mean), that is not right, either. if it were to shower the woman with gifts out of love and devotion, thats just sweet, i dont care who you are my mother always taught me to never be in a position where you cannot (if the situation arose) be able to support yourself on your own. shes right. i mean would many muslim women be able to do that, given that the men take care of everything?

i guess what im getting at is where is the independence that women should be allowed to have as equals to men. they arent allowed in muslim society to really be their own thinkers, and if they are they are repressed by those they love or those they fear. im not saying go to the independent extreme that is here in america because i think that some of it is way over the top, but a modest independence.

…and if you pose a threat to your husband or if he even suspects you of something he has the right to beat you, even if youre innocent! thats no way to live. thats living in fear. not that all husbands are like that, but if they live by islamic law, its RIGHT to do if the situation arose! nobody should have the right over anybody else to find a justification for beating their spouse. you are supposed to LOVE, HONOR, AND RESPECT your spouse…for men as well as women. that means unconditional love and that means that i honor you as a person who ive chosen to be with. anything else is a sacrilige to the meaning of marriage. and what if you suspected your husband of being a threat? what rights do you have as a muslim woman? certainly if you tried to “reverse” the law and go and beat your husband because you suspected him of being a threat to you youd probably be killed! with Christian law its about mutual love on a whole different level than that. you are your own person and they are their own person and you mutually come together out of love. no fear.

*Christ (p) taught us to worshop one God only & we Muslims do listen to him *

but you still deny Christ and the Crucifixion, so how can you believe in what Christ taught? muhammed said to worship one God, too. muhammed denied that Christ is Who He said He is. in the Bible, at Christ’s Baptism, a dove being the Holy Spirit of God (who also created Christ in the Virgin Mary - Who was conceived without sin) descended upon Christ, and a Voice was heard from Heaven saying ‘this is My Beloved with Whom I am well pleased’. and at the Transfiguration a Voice was heard that said “this is My chosen Son, listen to Him”. …so if you did listen to Him, you would know the Truth, and you wouldn’t deny Him. By recognizing the fact that the Crucifixion didhappen as a martyrdom for everything Christ believed in, and preached. It was a Most Holy Sacrifice for you and the whole world. if you truly listened to His Voice, you would be following Him.

My Father is greater than I. Bible, John 14:28—we don’t call God as father but we do beleive that only God is the greatest

and how unfortunate that muslims dont believe that God wants to have a personal relationship with them. Christ came down from Heaven to show us this truth. yes, God is the greatest, but He’s the greatest Father you could ever know. He’s your Father because He created you. such an intimate picture! your Creator wants to be known as Father.** that means that you are His child.** It means that you can relate to Him in such an intimate way as a child to its Most Loving Father. thats pretty amazing and i think that youre missing out on something wonderful.

 

[medallionsnijme]

and for everything that R_Not has posted, how can it be that God can contradict Himself by two messages, one from Jesus, and the other through muhammed?? seems a little odd to me…on one hand, you follow Jesus, the Son and learn to love everyone, and on the other you murder all those who follow Jesus the Son…thats a total paradox.

 

[R_not]

And we ALL don’t want to forget ‘muslim tolerance’ of that Christian church that you so nicely showed us a picture of… while the muslims were cornered in there for a few weeks some years ago… they put feces all over the statues and other areas of the church.

NEVER has a Christian, or a Jew, done that to one of your mosques.

No apology from any cleric of importance in islam. NONE. As there are never any apologies from any important cleric for any of the atrocities that muslims commit against non-muslims. but, why would there be when the sharia laws make it ok to kill, enslave, kidnap and force them to convert and/or marry (which is rape and slavery), steal from and lie to infidels because they are lower than pigs, dogs and feces?

Yes, Islam is bad. Its masses of so called ‘moderates’ will make up excuses, stories, deflect the truth, deceive, and ignore what their jihadists do because they know that if they tell us that they are doing a jihad by supporting those violent ones with not only their ‘muslim charities’, but also by their misspeaking about islam - we might get upset. So, how often do we hear - in fact it is so often I am surprised that the masses of non-muslims haven’t figured it out yet - that muslims ALWAYS claim victimhood. So, their jihadists can carry on their violence and the masses can continue on their uncontrolled birth rates, da’wa, demands, etc.

 

[planten]

You can believe anything you like. It will not harm me or my religion. But please do unto others what you would like to be done unto you. That would be enough. Thanks.

 

[R_not]

and for everything that R_Not has posted, how can it be that God can contradict Himself by two messages, one from Jesus, and the other through muhammed?? seems a little odd to me…on one hand, you follow Jesus, the Son and learn to love everyone, and on the other you murder all those who follow Jesus the Son…thats a total paradox.

Whew - I guess I got a little upset by that post from ‘muslim woman’.

Actually, they explain that duality off too. I don’t remember the exact words, but I have heard their excuses before.

Keep in mind that whatever applies to their fellow muslim does not apply to infidels so they also excuse the murder, and other atrocities, off as ok. But, they don’t say that in their posts. They write as if they are addressing another muslim, giving the rights to another muslim, and not saying none of the ‘niceness’, etc apply to infidels. Because their ‘religion’ doesn’t accept anyone who is not a muslim - unless they are subjugated and then the muslim will say they are ‘protected’. It is so fascist of an idiologoy that it is mind boggling.