this is in response to sister amy when i brought up how mohammed condoned killing those that
mocked him. guess you can wage war with words. (too bad theo van gogh found this out as his life was being taken).
you replied
Whatever. (Very sophisticated response to a very sophisticated claim)
from that remark i can only conclude that you are not aware of this or chose to put on your blinders.
Book 38, Number 4348:
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Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.
He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.
He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.
Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, **no retaliation is payable for her blood.**
Book 38, Number 4349:
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Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.
so here we have a man that murdered his pregnant SLAVE and mohammed said he was not to be punished for it.
so while you have stated it is better for someone to forgive (of course it is!), we still see that this kind of violence is permitted.
it also makes one pause when i was given this to read:
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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR:
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
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YUSUFALI: Except for those who repent
before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
and how you can find it acceptable for a man to beat his wife or slave is frightening. why don’t you go to a women’s domestic abuse shelter and speak to the women there and see if they are better off for their beatings.
yeah, i still stand by thinking that muslims are probably the biggest victims of islam. ESP women.
and why do you keep bringing up the old testament? can you show me any Jews that stone adulterers today? can you show me ANY teaching from Jesus where he said to kill those that commit adultery?
what is you point? i am having a really hard time understanding how someone from america can accept such backward and violent teachings.
oh and by the way, the punishment for drinking is 80 stripes. go watch the passion for some flogging and tell me you honestly think our merciful God would want someone whipped for drinking.
i forgot to mention chess. do you like chess? i do. it’s a game that provides intellectual stimulation, but alas mohammed forbade it!
Chapter 2: IT IS PROHIBITED TO PLAY CHESS
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Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: He who played chess is like one who dyed his hand with the flesh and blood of swine.
please educate me as to why this intellectually challenging board game is forbidden? :hypno:
