Islam is BAD!!!

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Salaam/peace;
… I once prayed in the bath tub!

I’m sure God didn’t mind.😊
I am 100 % sure God did not mind. We Muslims are encouraged to offer dua/ supplication before entering to toilet , after coming from toilet , before eating , sleeping , after waking up etc.

Thus any ordinary normal routine work can be considered as a good work/ worshipping God & we will be rewarded 😃
 
Oh by the way, since I mentioned so many incidents that happened in the past - there have been churches and its art destroyed just this year - over some cartoons and a movie. Some people that had nothing to do with any of it were killed too.

The tolerance, or lack thereof, is just breath taking as it continues to this very day.
 
I absolutely agree with (name removed by moderator) that we need to try not to pre-judge a person who comes here asking questions. Time will tell if they are honestly looking for answers or not. While I have been very disappointed with some aspects of the conversations I have been in on here with some Muslim posters, there have also been good insights into how Muslims view their faith and societies. I don’t think being alarmist and unwilling to accept sincere differences makes us seem any better than to those we criticize. Remember that what we write here may be the foundation of a questioning non-Catholic’s understanding of the faith, and that a bad experience with an individual can and does color the perceptions of us that non-Catholics will then bring back to their own communities. It is unfair, but then so is deciding that that all Muslims (or Jews, or Hindus…) are incapable of being good by virtue of their religious affiliation.
 
Salaam/peace;

yap 🙂

with the very good intention , I collected this web add from a Pastor . I had no idea I will find myself busy in fighting with Catholics here :o

Already I requested so that a mod can open 2 threads on Christianity & Islam with this strict rule that no debate …just to Q & A only for those who really want to know about other religion.
 
I read that all the time - ‘this isn’t true because I have made friends with muslims and…’ same old thing.

Read the website on my signature. Here is an excerpt:

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark – Muslim 2%
Germany – Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom – Muslim 2.7%
Spain – Muslim 4%
Thailand – Muslim 4.6%

As for muslim woman, I haven’t read anything other than the same old da’wa, deflection, and intolerance - no matter how long muslims live among others - there is no attempt from them to understand others. The usual discussions with them is not for them to understand, but them to make sure WE are the ones told to tolerate, and WE are the ones told to do this or that FOR muslims - it is NEVER the reverse.

And the UK is not a good example of a country heading in a good direction with their muslim population.

jihadwatch.org has a lot of articles on the happenings there. There are other websites that keep tabs on what is going on worldwide and we don’t get all the news, but it is enough to know that the rise in muslim on non-muslim crimes are escalating, as is anti-semitism, and the UK has quite a few problems of their own concerning muslims.
 
Salaam/peace;
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As for muslim woman, I haven’t read anything other than the same old da’wa, deflection, and intolerance .
when I came here , I saw these kinds of threads …Islam is Bad ; Islam ? Ha ; Muslim converts to Christianity etc .

These thread titles are provacative enough …we don’t even need to read posts where Christians intentionally write that Mother Aisha (p) wore bikini in front of other men . How can u expect that we can show patience after reading these lies ?
 
Salaam/peace;

so , men made statues have power to pray ?

Is there any verse in ur holy book that tells u to do so ? Why don’t u pray to God directly without making statues ?

In ur Bible , God warns that God is very jealous & will take revenge if u worhip anyone besides God. Why take unnecessary risk that may throw u in fire forever ?

Saints are dead persons. We can ask someone who is ALIVE to pray for us , pray with us …but how come dead saints can pray with u ?
oh, you muslim are very good at taking things out of context arent you.
I have just been explaining this over the last 3 pages, go back and read, please, before i lose it.
 
Salaam/peace;

when I came here , I saw these kinds of threads …Islam is Bad ; Islam ? Ha ; Muslim converts to Christianity etc .

These thread titles are provacative enough …we don’t even need to read posts where Christians intentionally write that Mother Aisha (p) wore bikini in front of other men . How can u expect that we can show patience after reading these lies ?
Well, before this you did ask if Mother Mary wore a mini skirt, and you dont expect us to get upset with that?
 
The following is the actual question that I asked:

Are there any “moderate” Catholics on these boards who would categorically say that this is an act of evil which directly contravenes one of the Ten Commandments never to bow down to statues and graven images?

Do you see the word ‘pray’ anywhere in my question??

Exodus 20:3–5
3 Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

And as you can see, the Ten Commandments gives a stern warning to the faithful not to bow down to statues and graven images.

And so, if someone does indeed bow down to a statue, do Catholics agree that it clearly contravenes the Ten Commandments and is therefore an evil act?

A simple ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ answer would be so very much appreciated.
The same old song from our broken record 😃

The Ten Commandments do not forbid men from MAKING statues, but WORSHIPPING them.

Since Christians never claim that a statue is the TRUE GOD, your comments are meaningless.
 
"considering muslims destroy art work, as they did in raids in India and destroyed Hindu art work and I am not sure if they believed the statues were considered the entities themselves or just art, in the so many churches across muslim lands now the muslims have destroyed so much and they violate a lot of things such as they did in Jerusalem - there is no respect for anything that is non-muslim. There is no attempt at understanding that anything could be different from islam’s idea of things.

The three major jihads against India, in the past, the muslims destroyed a lot. They are on another jihad in India that they officially declared late last year - so who knows how much more will be destroyed.

There is little tolerance in islam. But, we are supposed to tolerate the intolerant ones or else the ‘victimhood’ moaning starts.

How many more notes about statues do you guys require before you even attempt to understand ‘art work’? Or how we pray? Or anything? The reason why I ask is because there is NEVER an attempt to understand anything because in islam, muslims are not taught to tolerate anything else"

It is true that Muslims are intolerant and have no understanding or respect for Sacred Art. This is a pity. We are interested in all art and Muslim art is very beautiful and we appreciate it very much.

I think that there are Muslims who do not regard us as human or that we matter at all. I really believe that because of their actions.

I am Catholic and wear a beautiful crucifix. I frequent a coffee shop and there are some Muslim women who also come there. We started greeting each other and for a few months now whenever they see me they come and give me a hug and there is genuine affection as we chat and share news.

Muslims are human just like us. They have hearts to love and they cry tears and experience all the emotions we experience. It is their Faith that is used as an instrument to dominate them. Women are not respected as they should be. There is little freedom of choice. I know a Catholic priest who has a PHD in Islamic studies and I think this is admirable. He did this to gain insight and thorough understanding of Muslims. I attended some of his talks and there were some Imams there also who at the end thanked the priest for his accurate and unbiased lectures. I think it is commendable that he went to all that trouble to understand Muslims. You won’t find a Muslim doing likewise.

When there is a disaster anywhere in the world it is always the Western world that comes to the rescue. How often do you hear of any of the Muslim states donating towards causes that are not Muslim? Recently Saudi Arabia donated to Indonedia but how much have the West donated before that? With regard to our charities - we help everybody no matter their race or creed. We open our doors to all the poor and don’t ask questions. Do Muslims do that?

I know of an incidence which touched my heart. A friend of mine who opened her home to abandoned children and who at the time was going through terrible economic strife told me this story. Her husband had had a nervous breakdown and was in an institution and she did not know how she was going to pay her bond. One day a Muslim came to her door and asked about her “Ministry” and she showed him around. A few days later she found an envelope in her bost box with a cheque for the exact amount she needed. This was an exception and I am very pleased to know about this.

I am sure the Holy Spirit operates within the Muslim communities and that there must be many wonderful Muslim people who are genuinely good people. I believe that there is salvation for everybody and that God in his mercy will open his doors to all who love him, no matter what they call Him: God, Allah, Jahweh.

An interesting concept within the Catholic Church is that of “implicit faith”. This is something I embraced immediately because I sensed that it was right and true. It is not for us to judge - that is the domain of God. We must just love and obey.

🙂 😉 :yup: :tiphat:
 
Salaam/peace;

when I came here , I saw these kinds of threads …Islam is Bad ; Islam ? Ha ; Muslim converts to Christianity etc .

These thread titles are provacative enough …we don’t even need to read posts where Christians intentionally write that Mother Aisha (p) wore bikini in front of other men . How can u expect that we can show patience after reading these lies ?
You are now slandering me, a former Muslim, by putting in my mouth words I did not say. Not very kind of you. I have never said that Aisha used to wear bikini IN FRONT OF OTHER MEN. What I had said was that I heard people say she wore a bikini when she lost her necklace in the desert. Later I explained to you the reason for associating Aisha with a bikini.

You call some of the threads provocative? Really? What about most of the harsh remarks in your scripture falsely accusing Christians and bashing my tenets? What about the verse you always quote from the Koran about Jesus?
 
Salaam/peace;

yap 🙂

with the very good intention , I collected this web add from a Pastor . I had no idea I will find myself busy in fighting with Catholics here :o

Already I requested so that a mod can open 2 threads on Christianity & Islam with this strict rule that no debate …just to Q & A only for those who really want to know about other religion.
Dear Muslim Woman -

I do not agree with you regarding “no debate”. No, this is healthy. Have you not experienced that some of the biggest arguments you have with your friends result in better understanding and even better and deeper friendshipo. Sometimes one has to speak one’s mind and “let it all hang out” as some people like to say (what an analogy!!!😛

No, let us argue, debate, day what is on our minds, let it “all hand out”. Believe me, sometimes we will get terribly frustrated with one another. We will scream…we will shout. And then we will smile, we will love… :love:

Some people will say things they will later regret but isn’t that human? As long as we come to a better understanding.

🙂 :yup: :clapping: :dancing:
 
I want to know is it allowed for Christians to make statue for prayer purpose ? Where is the Biblical verse to support ur this act ?
THE SECOND COMMANDMENT

The second commandment says, **‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’ **

You are muslim, therefore, you should be familiar with the following terminology.

Is the verse from the bible, specific in meaning or **general in meaning??? **

In Islam, some scholars who intrepret the Quran say, the rule is this, all verses are to be taken general in meaning, unless proven otherwise.

If the verse is taken to be general in meaning, that means we cannot make any graven images (3 dimensional) objects of that which is in the heaven or on earth, in Heaven, angels (ie Cherub) and, on Earth, trees, animals. etc etc.

NOT GENERAL IN MEANING

However there is proof, that this verse that this verse is not general in meaning, rather it is specific in meaning.

In Exodux 25:16-20

Moses says to make on the Ark of the Covenant, two graven images of Cherubims. And the Ark of the Covenant is used in the act of worship for the Jews.

The second commandment has a specific meaning. It refers to specific types of graven images.

First you have to look at the history of the Jews and Moses, they came from Egypt. And in Egypt, they practiced a form of Shamanism, in which they worship the spirits of trees, animals and things. False and non-existant gods. They didn’t worship real things, but made-up spirits of this and that.

So the prohibition in the second commandment is against making graven images (3 dimensional) of false and non-existent gods.

Cherubs are real, and they are in heaven.

So I don’t see my Catholic brothers and sisters violating the second commandment.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
The Ten Commandments do not forbid men from MAKING statues, but WORSHIPPING them.
No self-respecting Christian should be saying such a thing because it so very clearly contravenes the Second Commandment.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
… Exodus 20:4-5

"Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God." … Leviticus 26:1
 
"Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God." … Leviticus 26:1
Ham, I am curious do you believe in the commandments? If so then why do you bow down to a black stone?
 
No self-respecting Christian should be saying such a thing because it so very clearly contravenes the Second Commandment.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, … Exodus 20:4-5

"Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God." … Leviticus 26:1
I am curious as well Ham, instead of coming here and telling Catholics they are wrong for bowing in front of a statue and Praying to God. Wouldn’t your time be better served if you Spoke out and started cleaning up Islam? Get rid of the terrorist element that murders innocent lives and claim they do it for Allah? Perhaps weed out the Imams who teach hate in the mosques.
 
Ham, I am curious do you believe in the commandments? If so then why do you bow down to a black stone?
For the most part, Yes … I do believe in the Ten Commandments.

As for the Black Stone, kindly refer to this post.
 
For the most part, Yes … I do believe in the Ten Commandments.

As for the black stone, kindly refer to this post.
The thing is that if the statues are destroyed the Catholics will still pray for they are praying to God not the statue. There are many times when Catholics pray and there is no statue there. God is everywhere he is omnipresent and therefore you do need to face a certain direction in order to be heard by him. He is a personal God and seeks to communicate with us, we need to simply pray to him, that is what he wants.
 
Islam is a beautiful faith. The piety of many devout muslims should put most Catholics I know to shame, that is just my observation.

God is all powerful, almighty, and all merciful. Devout muslims hold on to that truth as the center of all they do, everything else flows from there.

Inshallah, one day I will learn to put God at the center of my life in such a manner.
 
Salaam/peace;
Well, before this you did ask if Mother Mary wore a mini skirt, and you dont expect us to get upset with that?
lol…I asked to prove that Mother Mary (p) always wore decent dresses . U people must feel angry with that Christans who want to tell us that Mother Mary (p) did not cover herself properly.

I wanted to show that she did . I wanted to tell that she never wore any kind of provacative dress , she always covered herself & we Muslim women try to cover herself properly like she did.

A christan intentionally wrote a lie that Mother Aisha (p) wore bikini …my post was to upgrade Mother Mary (p) . On the other side , Christan’s post was full of lies with the bad intention to degrade Mother Aisha (p).

Is it so difficult to understand the difference & admit a mistake ?
 
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