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No one should ignore the effects that is caused by the use of depleted uranium ammunition on the Iraqi population, especially the kids and babies.

Here is a link to witness the absolute horror of what these weapons are doing to Iraqi babies.

A warning here, for those who might not have the stomach to watch these kind of pictures, perhaps it would be better that you do not click on the link below.

aztlan.net/du_deformed_iraqi_babies.htm
Can you tell me what that has to do with anything? Did Christians do this? Did they uses the weapons? Can you prove it was a Christian who was invovled?
You are confusing Military actions with Christians in Europe and the United States. You are being lied too if you think it is another Crusade. The Pope did not declare war. It was Islamic Radicals who attacked on 9/11 it was A combination of many militray units who then retaliated in Afganistan and then went on to Iraq. These Military Units are not Christian Warriors. They are made up of many different Religions, Christian (Protestant & Catholic), Muslim, Bhudist, Wiccan, Scientologist, Atheists, Agnostics, Satanists, you name a religious group and they are in the military. I pray for the people of Iraq and other countries being torn apart by war.

If a Christian is personally responsible for any action againsts an innocent that is abhorrent. Can you say the same about the Homicide Bombers who kill in the name of islam? You have yet to say it.
 
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They do not hear you and cannot do anything for you because they are dead. Every one has topray to One God and worship Him only. All needs are to be presented to the One God.

But you can ask Mary to intercede for you on the day of judgement if you can find her. And she may try to intercede for you if Allowed by the God Almighty.
O.K. Thanks for telling us all that. Your saints are alive with God. Have they been resurrected too? How come they are alive. The spirit or soul never dies. It is alive. But it is inactive and waiting in Barzakh (purgatory) for the rise up on the day of Judgement. But it appears that your saints have risen before the day of judgement. How is that.

What we are describing is according to Islamic belief. Those who have passed away, their account is closed. They can niether do anything good or bad. But we can pray to The God for those who have passed away, even for Jesus and Muhammad. Jesus himself used to pray to his God.**
hi planten:)

yes, their bodies are dead as being dust. you are right, souls are eternal. they can still hear us:) (answered prayers, miracles through intercession, etc.). Heaven is very much alive and interested in the happenings on earth. the Communion of Saints is something we believe in, its the Communion between us here on earth, those holy souls waiting in Purgatory, and all those who are Saints (people who are in Heaven already). between these three places of people, we all help each other. we here on earth help the people who have died with our prayers and sacrifices (personal things we give up for their sake), those in Heaven help both those in Purgatory and on earth with their prayers, and those in Purgatory pray for others because they can no longer pray for themselves…burning Charity (pardon the pun). so its a whole network that loves, helps, and supports each other in the unity of God.
we do worship God, and all needs are indeed presented to Him. (He knows about them anyways, being God) but, sometimes we need special help, so we ask these people who have lead holy lives - whom we know are in Heaven by the miracles that have happened on earth by them asking God for help in particular situations - to present to God (theyre closer to Him than we are :)) our petitions. make sense? besides, muslims pray for the dead as well. so do we. it is right and holy to do so.

Mary was Assumed into Heaven. while on earth, Her life was a perfect mirror of Christ’s life, She imitated Him perfectly (She was without the stain of original sin brought on by Adam and Eve) and preserved in grace (“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee…”). Therefore, it is only right that She, after Jesus, would be the only one (until the Last Day) in Heaven in both body and soul.
Purgatory is a place where we go to get purged of our sins. its part of the mercy of God: God has forgiven us, but we still need to be perfected before we can enter heaven because the damage from our sins is still on our souls. hence, purgatory. in the end, its for our own good:)

there are no saints that have their bodies yet. nobody does except Jesus and Mary. that happens on the Day of Judgement. for example, look at the bodies of the incorruptible saints (i’ll attach a picture). if saints had their bodies, these ones wouldnt be here, theyd probably be in Heaven ( i cant imagine why they would be on earth) or if they were on earth theyd be wandering around very very brightly (glorified bodies), AND if saints had their bodies, there would be no body here on earth AND there would be witness accounts (probably) of saints ascending into Heaven. does that help explain a bit?🙂
and if they are in Heaven like Jesus and Mary (as we know without their bodies), we dont need to pray for them anymore because they dont need our prayers to help pay the debt of Purgatory. this is because there are miracles associated with Saints by asking their intercession. its a whole lengthy process of discernment and very involved research that happens at/with the Vatican…plus three miracles have to be certain from the holy person in question and then they become a saint. it takes a while though.👍
 
No one should ignore the effects that is caused by the use of depleted uranium ammunition on the Iraqi population, especially the kids and babies.

Here is a link to witness the absolute horror of what these weapons are doing to Iraqi babies.

A warning here, for those who might not have the stomach to watch these kind of pictures, perhaps it would be better that you do not click on the link below.

aztlan.net/du_deformed_iraqi_babies.htm
I think it is a good thing that we went into Iraq and stopped Hussein. Now it is too bad the muslims around this area, or even the Iranians themselves, don’t stop another catastrophe and stop Ahmadinejad and all those ayatollahs who are actually more powerful than Ahmadinejad.

Instead, what will happen is that they will wait and possibly let the nukes go - then blame the west, or Israel, for what they in fact allow to happen.
 
As for the pics that muslim woman shows - should we show what Hussein did to the Kurds?

We have stopped WMDs while the muslims are threatening to use them. We went into Iraq hoping to stop their use and to clean the mess. No other muslim nations were willing to do it - and they have plenty of money to do it.

And as for starvation - I don’t recall any muslim charity being used to stop hunger and thirst in any part of this world and instead they use it for jihadists to train to kill and maim, and as we see in parts of Africa the destruction of the Christian farms has only created starvation and thirst.
 
As for the pics that muslim woman No I don’t think we need to show those. Frankly I have seen more then enough.

The problem I am seeing is that Both Ham and Muslim Woman and probably many others believe that the US and Allie Military is a Christian Army. They seem to either want to live in ignorance or are being lied to. I have tried to explain it 5 or 6 times that the Military Units over there are comprised of multi-religious forces that included many Muslims who are fighting in the US military and Allied Military. As I stated earlier I just interviewed a Marine Sergeant who is going back to Iraq and he happens to be a Muslim. He if fighting for the freedom of the people he says were oppressed under Sadaam. If they can not understand that the forces over there are not a Christian Army I really don’t know how we can get them to understand anything else.
 
Salaam/peace;

shock & awe

http://mindprod.com/image/restricted/iraqichildwithtubes.jpg

http://mindprod.com/image/restricted/iraqphosphorus1.jpg

Fallujah white phosphorus chemical weapon victims

http://mindprod.com/image/restricted/iraqstarve.jpg

Not all the deaths are from bullets, napalm and white phosphorus. Some a come from deliberate starvation, denial of water and denial of sanitation

and Christians claim Jesus (p) taught them to turn other cheek …huh.
youre right, death doesnt come just from physical things. i will tell you we have a friend who was in fallujah who died on the inside. he was put through hell and had to do things he would never have dreamed of because he was fighting for the innocent people - muslims! - who wanted a chance to live a life that was peaceful. my husband also lives with spiritual, emotional, social, and behavoiral scars. he’s not the same. and you tell me that something inside of either of them didnt die either. maybe those who actually died were the lucky ones. try living with the scars of war for the rest of your life, i dont care what side youre on! next time put yourself in their shoes. i will tell you they are not sociopaths. they are amazing human beings put into really ****** situations. if you think they WANTED to kill people, youve got another thing coming, woman.

and dont think that seeing children, women, men, or anything else as a result of war doesnt affect us, or that we dont pray for them and their families. actions of war DO take casualties on both sides. it always has, always will. maybe next time, before blaming us for those innocents which we do not mean to kill or maime, you should consider the fact that theres a heck of a lot more damage done by your supposed “martyrs” who feel it necessary to blow up their own people. instead of blaming us for all the issues over in iraq and the middle east, you should be blaming the people who dont want to make it a better place, those who arent willing to suck it up and not act like spoiled children. blame those who dont want peace, because i will tell you, americans DO want peace. they want their boys home and safe just as much as the iraqi’s do, if not more. we are fighting for their right to have that peace, and unfortunately theres a lot of unpeaceful situations, so before you point your finger at the plank in our eye, maybe you should check out the plank inyour own, on your own homefront!

and im sure saddam was just great in the ways that he treated his people, or do you not remember that he was hanged for his crimes against humanity? and by the way, he murdered all 3 of the brothers of a dear friend of mine who is iraqi. and muslim. so what do you think about that?
 
p/s: theyre also fighting for your right to say those things! next time you might as well punch the gift-horse in the mouth cos you did a pretty good job of slapping it!
 
Again you’re saying silly things. Jeaus was crucified and risen, its being testfied by eyewitnesses and his disciples and they have documented it in the scriptures. Muhamed was not alive then. You know nothing about Chritianity but makes hightly ambiguous statements. :eek:
** Jesus was put on the cross and suffered much.But when brought down from cross, he was alive, heart beating, they did not bury him nor performed any burial rights because they came to know that he was alive. There was hope. God saved Jesus from the worst type of death, on the cross. You know what that means if any one dies on the cross?.

Since he did not die, the act of crucifixion was not completed. Therefore Jesus was not crucified. Crucifixion does not mean putting on the cross. It means death on the cross.
Why are you so anxious to kill Jesus on the cross? Those present there were not all enemies. Many were friends. They could never say that Jesus was alive. They had to say that he had died. Thus they saved him from the breaking of his legs, and saved his life too.
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Who said Christians did this? If this happened due to a Military Campaiign I will state it again. The U.S. Military as well as all Military’s around the world are comprised of Multi racial and Multi Religious Organizations. (All Militaries not form the Middle East that is) I just did an interview with a Marine who is a Staff Seargent who is Muslim and is about to go back to Iraq. He is fighting for the United States in Iraq. Saying that the United States Military or that the Military of any of our Allies is a "Christian Military is absurd. Can you prove that any of those children were harmed personally by a Christian?

Ironically you still have not condemed the actions of Muslims who kill in the name of allah.

If a Christian personally did that to those Children I condemn it. That is wrong and I doubt they are Christians, and I would not call them that. See I can at least say it can you?
You are trying to disown the activity of the pro-christian country military. That is not fair. If some people from the western countries go and kill the woman and children and then in return, the men and children go ahead killing every one, then you should not complain. You should have complained when your people army went on the killing spree.

It was useless of you to try to be clever with your photos. Now please enjoy the photos of the atrocities of your people, mostly christian and there is a good example of the love that is being preached.
 
** Jesus was put on the cross and suffered much.But when brought down from cross, he was alive, heart beating, they did not bury him nor performed any burial rights becaus ethey came to know that he was alive. There was hope. God saved Jesus from the worst type of death,on the cross. You know what that menas if any one dies on the cross.

Since he did not die, the act of crucifixion was not completed. Therefor Jesus was not crucified. Crucifixion does not mean putting on the cross. It means death on the cross.
Why are you so anxious to kill Jesus on the cross? Those present there were not all enemies. Many were freiends. They could never say that Jesus was aliive. They had to say that he had died. Thus they saved him from the breaking of his legs, and saved his life too.
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no, planten, they thrust the spear through His Heart to ensure He was dead. "John 19:28 *After this, when Jesus realized that everything was now completed, he said (in order to fulfill the Scripture), “I’m thirsty.” 29A jar of sour wine was standing there, so they put a sponge full of the wine on a branch of hyssop and held it to his mouth. 30After Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “It is finished.” Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.

Jesus’ Side is Pierced
31Since it was the Preparation Day, the Jews did not want to leave the bodies on the crosses during the Sabbath, because that was a particularly important Sabbath. So they asked Pilate to have the men’s legs broken and the bodies[j] removed. 32So the soldiers went and broke the legs of the first man and then of the other man who had been crucified with him. 33But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and blood and water immediately came out. 35The one who saw this has testified, and his testimony is true. He knows he is telling the truth so that you, too, may believe, 36because these things happened so that the Scripture might be fulfilled:
“None of his bones will be broken.”[k]

37In addition, another passage of Scripture says,
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  “They will look on the one whom they pierced.”[l]19
look, they buried Him in a tomb:John 19:40 “They took the body of Jesus and wrapped it in linen cloths along with spices, according to the burial custom of the Jews. 41A garden was located in the place where he was crucified, and in that garden was a new tomb in which no one had yet been placed. 42Because it was the Jewish Preparation Day, and because the tomb was nearby, they put Jesus there.” *

and Jesus knew He was going to die on the Cross since the very beginning. Matthew 16 *21 From then onwards **Jesus began to make it clear to his disciples that he was destined to go to Jerusalem and suffer grievously at the hands of the elders **and chief priests and scribes and to be put to death and to be raised up on the third day. 22 Then, taking him aside, Peter started to rebuke him. ‘Heaven preserve you, Lord,’ he said, ‘this must not happen to you.’
23 But he turned and said to Peter, ‘Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle in my path, because you are thinking not as God thinks but as human beings do.’ 24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'If anyone wants to be a follower of mine, let him renounce himself and take up his cross and follow me.
25 Anyone who wants to save his life will lose it; but anyone who loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 What, then, will anyone gain by winning the whole world and forfeiting his life? Or what can anyone offer in exchange for his life?
27 ‘For the Son of man is going to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to his behaviour. 28 In truth I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming with his kingdom.’
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…*"52 Jesus then said, ‘Put your sword back, for **all who draw the sword will die by the sword. **53 **Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, who would promptly send more than twelve legions of angels to my defence?
54 But then, how would the scriptures be fulfilled that say this is the way it must be?’ **55 It was at this time that Jesus said to the crowds, ‘Am I a bandit, that you had to set out to capture me with swords and clubs? I sat teaching in the Temple day after day and you never laid a hand on me.’
56 Now all this happened to fulfil the prophecies in scripture. *
…Matthew27:1 When morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people met in council to bring about the death of Jesus.
catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=52&bible_chapter=5#17
catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=52&bible_chapter=4#25
 
Acts 13:To keep his promise, God has raised up for Israel one of David’s descendants, Jesus, as Saviour,
24 whose coming was heralded by John when he proclaimed a baptism of repentance for the whole people of Israel.
25 Before John ended his course he said, “I am not the one you imagine me to be; there is someone coming after me whose sandal I am not fit to undo.”
26 'My brothers, sons of Abraham’s race, and all you godfearers, this message of salvation is meant for you.
27 **What the people of Jerusalem and their rulers did, though they did not realise it, was in fact to fulfil the prophecies read on every Sabbath.
28 Though they found nothing to justify his execution, they condemned him and asked Pilate to have him put to death.
29 When they had carried out everything that scripture foretells about him they took him down from the tree and buried him in a tomb.
30 But God raised him from the dead,
31 and for many days he appeared to those who had accompanied him from Galilee to Jerusalem: and it is these same companions of his who are now his witnesses before our people.
32 'We have come here to tell you the good news that the promise made to our ancestors has come about. 33 God has fulfilled it to their children by raising Jesus from the dead. ****As scripture says in the psalms: You are my son: today I have fathered you. **34 The fact that God raised him from the dead, never to return to corruption, is no more than what he had declared: To you I shall give the holy things promised to David which can be relied upon. 35 This is also why it says in another text: You will not allow your Holy One to see corruption.
36 **Now when David in his own time had served God’s purposes he died; he was buried with his ancestors and has certainly seen corruption.
37 The one whom God has raised up, however, has not seen corruption. **38 **'My brothers, I want you to realise that it is through him that forgiveness of sins is being proclaimed to you. Through him justification from all sins from which the Law of Moses was unable to justify
39 is being offered to every believer. **40 ‘So be careful – or what the prophets say will happen to you.
41 Cast your eyes around you, mockers; be amazed, and perish! For I am doing something in your own days that you would never believe if you were told of it.’
42 As they left they were urged to continue this preaching the following Sabbath.
43 When the meeting broke up many Jews and devout converts followed Paul and Barnabas, and in their talks with them Paul and Barnabas urged them to remain faithful to the grace God had given them.
44 The next Sabbath almost the whole town assembled to hear the word of God.
45 **When they saw the crowds, the Jews, filled with jealousy, used blasphemies to contradict everything Paul said. **
46 Then Paul and Barnabas spoke out fearlessly. **‘We had to proclaim the word of God to you first, but since you have rejected it, since you do not think yourselves worthy of eternal life, here and now we turn to the gentiles. **47 **For this is what the Lord commanded us to do when he said: I have made you a light to the nations, so that my salvation may reach the remotest parts of the earth.’ **48 It made the gentiles very happy to hear this and they gave thanks to the Lord for his message; all who were destined for eternal life became believers." :amen:
 
You are trying to disown the activity of the pro-christian country military. That is not fair. If some people from the western countries go and kill the woman and children and then in return, the men and children go ahead killing every one, then you should not complain. You should have complained when your people army went on the killing spree.

It was useless of you to try to be clever with your photos. Now please enjoy the photos of the atrocities of your people, mostly christian and there is a good example of the love that is being preached.
United States is far from Pro-Christian. It gives freedom of every religion. I live a block away from a Mosque.

Another thing you are neglecting is. That the United States and It’s Allies are not doing anything in the Name of God or Jesus. Yet the Homocide Bombers are doing things in the name of allah and islam.

As far as I am concered you can keep all your dictatorships and religiously run governments. I don’t want our soldiers over there dying to give those countries the freedoms that you say they don’t want.

If the military was attacking in the name of Jesus I would do everything in my power to stop it and tell the world that is not what Christ would want or do. How many Muslims are running out and condemning the acts of the Hamas and other such terrorist organizations? They are not acting on Christs behalf. Can you say the same for the terroritst who claim they are doing the will of allah?
 
You are trying to disown the activity of the pro-christian country military. That is not fair. If some people from the western countries go and kill the woman and children and then in return, the men and children go ahead killing every one, then you should not complain. You should have complained when your people army went on the killing spree.

It was useless of you to try to be clever with your photos. Now please enjoy the photos of the atrocities of your people, mostly christian and there is a good example of the love that is being preached.
see, planten, you already do not believe in forgiveness and mercy by your statement above : "If some people from the western countries go and kill the woman and children and then in return, the men and children go ahead killing every one, then you should not complain. " forgiveness is being able to say youre sorry, even if its not your fault. its about being able to say “i forgive you” before forgiveness is sought.**

how can people find ruining childrens innocence justified by making them into killing machines?! theyre CHILDREN! God have mercy on anyone who spoils the innocence of a child! children are a particular delight to Heaven and to make them into monsters who think that killing is right - before they have a fully formed conscience!! - is WRONG. by failing to teach your children right from wrong (gee, this conversation sounds familiar) you fail greatly in much. by being a coward and having a child do a man’s work (not that that is right, either! the difference is that a man has a fully formed conscience and should know right from wrong by adulthood)**** is disgusting.

the fact that you seem to want to steep in such accusations with glee is abhorrable. people of all religions kill when they are faced with war (except maybe the buddhists…but even then they are taught martial arts, sooo maybe not…), that still doesnt make it right. its not like our people go out there and purposefully blow themselves up to make a statement and get 72 virgins in heaven (woohoo!). and if anybody decided to do that in america, theyd probably be in an institution drugged up with some pretty powerful drugs and under severe therapy. maybe you guys should look into it. it might help! purposefully terrorizing people in such a way that they live in fear is wrong. doing something that has a risk of killing the enemy and - by no fault of their own, nor by being specifically targeted, just in the wrong place at the wrong time - innocents is very sad and unintentional. anybody who kills out of spite is definitely in the wrong and needs help.
 
United States is far from Pro-Christian. It gives freedom of every religion. I live a block away from a Mosque.

Another thing you are neglecting is. That the United States and It’s Allies are not doing anything in the Name of God or Jesus. Yet the Homocide Bombers are doing things in the name of allah and islam.

As far as I am concered you can keep all your dictatorships and religiously run governments. I don’t want our soldiers over there dying to give those countries the freedoms that you say they don’t want.

If the military was attacking in the name of Jesus I would do everything in my power to stop it and tell the world that is not what Christ would want or do. How many Muslims are running out and condemning the acts of the Hamas and other such terrorist organizations? They are not acting on Christs behalf. Can you say the same for the terroritst who claim they are doing the will of allah?
i totally agree! especially with: “If the military was attacking in the name of Jesus I would do everything in my power to stop it and tell the world that is not what Christ would want or do.” you’ve said it all.

and for anyone that thinks that Christ would want that,you’re crazy! go get your head checked and do some research.
 
** Jesus was put on the cross and suffered much.But when brought down from cross, he was alive, heart beating, they did not bury him nor performed any burial rights because they came to know that he was alive. There was hope. God saved Jesus from the worst type of death, on the cross. You know what that means if any one dies on the cross?.

Since he did not die, the act of crucifixion was not completed. Therefore Jesus was not crucified. Crucifixion does not mean putting on the cross. It means death on the cross.
Why are you so anxious to kill Jesus on the cross? Those present there were not all enemies. Many were friends. They could never say that Jesus was alive. They had to say that he had died. Thus they saved him from the breaking of his legs, and saved his life too.
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Please support these theories with reference from the NT.

If you cannot do that, you should either admit that you pervert our Bible for the sake of your heretical allegations and apologise for that or leave this forum.
 
United States is far from Pro-Christian. It gives freedom of every religion. I live a block away from a Mosque.

Another thing you are neglecting is. That the United States and It’s Allies are not doing anything in the Name of God or Jesus. Yet the Homocide Bombers are doing things in the name of allah and islam.

As far as I am concered you can keep all your dictatorships and religiously run governments. I don’t want our soldiers over there dying to give those countries the freedoms that you say they don’t want.

If the military was attacking in the name of Jesus I would do everything in my power to stop it and tell the world that is not what Christ would want or do. How many Muslims are running out and condemning the acts of the Hamas and other such terrorist organizations? They are not acting on Christs behalf. Can you say the same for the terroritst who claim they are doing the will of allah?
It seems that you have to tell him ONE MORE TIME. And don’t think that he has listened to you or read your post - because they are brainwashed zombie robots. It goes back to the list of words that muslims have different meanings for than everyone else.

A couple of those words with different meanings are:
aggressor - only infidels are aggressors. Any actions (violent) by muslims is their right per the koran
oppressor - only infidels are oppressors if they do not allow themselves to be subjugated by muslims/sharia law
 
It seems that you have to tell him ONE MORE TIME. And don’t think that he has listened to you or read your post - because they are brainwashed zombie robots. It goes back to the list of words that muslims have different meanings for than everyone else.

A couple of those words with different meanings are:
aggressor - only infidels are aggressors. Any actions (violent) by muslims is their right per the koran
oppressor - only infidels are oppressors if they do not allow themselves to be subjugated by muslims/sharia law
You are right. I guess I should just give up on trying to get them to understand. Its like talking to my 4 year old at times.
 
** Jesus was put on the cross and suffered much.But when brought down from cross, he was alive, heart beating, they did not bury him nor performed any burial rights because they came to know that he was alive. There was hope. God saved Jesus from the worst type of death, on the cross. You know what that means if any one dies on the cross?.

Since he did not die, the act of crucifixion was not completed. Therefore Jesus was not crucified. Crucifixion does not mean putting on the cross. It means death on the cross…**
I didn’t know that was in the Qur’an. Let me know if you can share the Qur’anic verses.
 
Salaam/peace
…It was Islamic Radicals who attacked on 9/11
even if this is correct that Muslims are responsible for 9/11 , tell me how many died in that tragedy ? Maximum 3 thousands.

To take revenge , US led forces combining soldiers from Christian majority countries killed thousands & thousands innocents including kids. How many innocents died so far ? Only God knows.

Bush told us 25,000 or 30,000—more or less.

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If a Christian is personally responsible for any action againsts an innocent that is abhorrent.
How Bush elected again ? Surely Christians supported / voted , thus they are also responsible for what’s going on in Iraq & Afghanistan.
 
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