Islam is BAD!!!

[planten]

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Christians say “Islam is bad”. That is their opinion about Islam. And it may be bad by the way the muslim fundmentalists are projecting a very bad picture of Islam in the world. But is it really bad. We will see later. Let us now see the good face of christianity please.

The christians have a new wonderful theory that God almighty came himself in the form of flesh (Jesus) in the world. He remained here only three years (preching) trying to correct the ills of the world. His people troubled him so much that he ended up on the cross with a cursed death. Then the church though of a good way to utilise the death of Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of the people.

No one believes in Jesus as a pious man except the Muslims. The church does not believe that Jesus was a man. The Jews do not believe that he was a good man. The rest of the world does not know or need Jesus.

Out of the whole 6000 years known history of the world, the God thought of a strange experiment to visit the world in person. So he got himself born through Mary. Remained in Egypt for 12 years. Learnt Carpentary and worked with his father. He started preaching at the age of 30. He was troubled so much by the people that he could not survive. He died within 3 years. The god died. Surprising church statement. At the age of 33 he disappeared from the world never to be seen again for 2000 years.

So the life of god on earth was only 3 years out of the known 6000 years life of world. Was he a good man?. Ask the Jews please. Did the special experiment work any good for the world of his time? No. The christians (or we may say the old time Jews) were in hiding for about 300 years.

We will discuss if Islam is bad or the christianity. It was lot better for the present day christians to remain on the faith of the Jews which is pure Unitarian and clean.**

 

[Silouan]

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It was lot better for the present day christians to remain on the faith of the Jews which is pure Unitarian and clean.**

If Christians understood Christian theology the way you have displayed it above. Yes I would agree with you, that it would be better for Christians to remain on the faith of the Jews.

Because it is clear that you do not understand Christian theology.

In Christ,

Silouan

 

[aaronjo]

I know you do not because you are a genuine Jew unlike aaronjo, who is the only Jew I have seen that calls Mohammad a true prophet and tries to justify his hostility towards the Jews living in Arabia

**In which post of mine did I call Mohammad a true prophet? **

 

[aaronjo]

Christians are also considered ahl al-kitab, so what’s your point?

I asked this very question to the Moslems and got an answer that Islam consider only those Christians among people of the Book who were infact given a book whose core of their faith is not heavily damaged BUT not people like you who are certainly polytheist.

 

[aaronjo]

Muslims believe that Allah is eternal and uncreated and that the Quran is the eternal and uncreated

word of Allah. Is this monotheism yes or no?

Is it mentioned in their Koran or Hadith?

 

[dzheremi]

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The christians have a new wonderful theory that God almighty came himself in the form of flesh (Jesus) in the world.**

This “new theory”, as you call it, predates Islam by many centuries. Once again, Islam does not give you an accurate picture of Christian belief. You can not depend on it or derive arguments from it to counteract Christian claims. When I want to know what a Muslim believes, I do not look for answers in the Bhagavad Gita.

 

[dzheremi]

I asked this very question to the Moslems and got an answer that Islam consider only those Christians among people of the Book who were infact given a book whose core of their faith is not heavily damaged BUT not people like you who are certainly polytheist.

Well that’s stupid.

 

[inJESUS]

I asked this very question to the Moslems and got an answer that Islam consider only those Christians among people of the Book who were infact given a book whose core of their faith is not heavily damaged BUT not people like you who are certainly polytheist.

of course we are polythesist because of what Muhammad misundertood, and left as a legacy to Muslims that is why we have to explain to every single muslim that Muhammad got it wrong. We are indeed polytheist for believing in God, His Word and His Spirit is one God…how dare we think that God has Wisdom and Holy Spirit? Muslims are the only monothesist on this planet because they believe Allah is wisdomless and spiritless…yes Allah is wisdomless and spiritless but what matters is that he is one Allahuakbar…applying this, we can understand why Allah got it all wrong in his book. You call this monotheism, i call it insulting mutilation of what God revealed through the OT and NT…but after all, that’s what self-proclaimed prophets do to further their sects…mutilation.

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;4123705:

Is it mentioned in their Koran or Hadith?

have you got an answer to my simple question?

 

[meedo]

aaronjo;4124496:

inJESUS;4123705:

have you got an answer to my simple question?

Your questions is irrelevant to the subject .

Therewere a group of muslims that said that The Qura is a creation and is not words pronounced by Allah .

The reason why the majority of Muslim scholars rebutted that is that is that it implies that Allah is a silent bieng who could not talk and thus in somehow difficient and thus it goes against the attributes of perfection of God . Thus Islamic scholars have asserted that the Quran is ‘’ The Words of Allah ‘’ ( meaning that it was actually spoken by Allah. And that it is uncreated

Niether the initial argument nor the rebuttal has any remote relation to idolatry . Can you please explain where is the idolatry in such opinions instead of trying to confuse the guy?

 

[meedo]

of course we are polythesist because of what Muhammad misundertood, and left as a legacy to Muslims that is why we have to explain to every single muslim that Muhammad got it wrong. We are indeed polytheist for believing in God, His Word and His Spirit is one God…how dare we think that God has Wisdom and Holy Spirit? Muslims are the only monothesist on this planet because they believe Allah is wisdomless and spiritless…yes Allah is wisdomless and spiritless but what matters is that he is one Allahuakbar…applying this, we can understand why Allah got it all wrong in his book. You call this monotheism, i call it insulting mutilation of what God revealed through the OT and NT…but after all, that’s what self-proclaimed prophets do to further their sects…mutilation.

In The Quran Allah has a spirit and is full of wisdom. Can you please give proof of what you say ?

 

[Angelos]

**In which post of mine did I call Mohammad a true prophet? **

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Go and read your post please. It is numbered #1031 Maybe Satan took your nickname and whispered his own ideas into this thread on your behalf **

 

[Angelos]

Your questions is irrelevant to the subject .

Therewere a group of muslims that said that The Qura is a creation and is not words pronounced by Allah .

The reason why the majority of Muslim scholars rebutted that is that is that it implies that Allah is a silent bieng who could not talk and thus in somehow difficient and thus it goes against the attributes of perfection of God . Thus Islamic scholars have asserted that the Quran is ‘’ The Words of Allah ‘’ ( meaning that it was actually spoken by Allah. And that it is uncreated

Niether the initial argument nor the rebuttal has any remote relation to idolatry . Can you please explain where is the idolatry in such opinions instead of trying to confuse the guy?

inJESUS’ question is perfectly relevant to aaronjo’s accusations.

If Muslims believe that Allah’s word is uncreated and eternal, this belief entails the divinity of the Koran, which goes against the so-called strict monotheism in Islam.

 

[inJESUS]

In The Quran Allah has a spirit and is full of wisdom. Can you please give proof of what you say ?

i know, and we call it Holy Spirit and Logos…we are still talking about the one God, aren’t we?

 

[inJESUS]

Niether the initial argument nor the rebuttal has any remote relation to idolatry . Can you please explain where is the idolatry in such opinions instead of trying to confuse the guy?

i didn’t call it idolatry. Am comparing what Muslims call “strict” monotheism of Islam to what they call “strict” polytheism of Christianity when in Islam, what we call Logos is called an uncreated and eternal word of Allah, not Allah yet not different from Allah…we are either both polytheist, or someone misunderstood what we believe in and blames us for his own misunderstanding.

 

[Angelos]

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Christians say “Islam is bad”. That is their opinion about Islam. And it may be bad by the way the muslim fundmentalists are projecting a very bad picture of Islam in the world. But is it really bad. We will see later. Let us now see the good face of christianity please.**

In order to discuss Christianity, you must start a new thread. I have almost no hope that your debates will prove anything against Christianity because you are a man that always presents one’s biased views and poor presumptions and fails to bring evidence.

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The christians have a new wonderful theory that God almighty came himself in the form of flesh (Jesus) in the world. He remained here only three years (preching) trying to correct the ills of the world. His people troubled him so much that he ended up on the cross with a cursed death. Then the church though of a good way to utilise the death of Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of the people.**

Christians do not have a new theory, dear planten. You apparently know nothing about history by mistakenly supposing that Islam existed prior to Christianity. Actually, the Church established by Christ and guided by His Spirit taught and promoted the Trinitarian doctrine long before your Mohammad was born as a pagan. LOL

Innovations (the fake connection between Abraham and the Islamic idol named Kaaba, the notion of revelation in the form of dictation, sex in Heaven, the idea of prophets sent to every tribe, etc) are peculiar to Islam.

Your Koran has no theological reason to deny Jesus’ passion or His supposed assumption. Mohammad’s scribes adopted the Gnostic heresy into the Koran only to make Jesus a sacrifice to their anti-Jewish sentiments. The god of the Koran is a deceptive one that delights in fooling Jews and concealing the supposed truth through a miraculous illusion. LOL

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No one believes in Jesus as a pious man except the Muslims. The church does not believe that Jesus was a man. The Jews do not believe that he was a good man. The rest of the world does not know or need Jesus.**

You are back to the zone of prating now. I believe that you are going through another crisis of talking nonsense and telling lies about the Church.

What if Muslims are the only people that consider Jesus a pious man? (This is not true at all!). Muslims are also the only people that consider Jesus one of the inept prophets failing to establish Islamic message on earth. Muslims are also the only people who call Jesus the only Messiah without knowing or explaining the sense of this title. LOL

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Out of the whole 6000 years known history of the world, the God thought of a strange experiment to visit the world in person. So he got himself born through Mary. Remained in Egypt for 12 years. Learnt Carpentary and worked with his father. He started preaching at the age of 30. He was troubled so much by the people that he could not survive. He died within 3 years. The god died. Surprising church statement. At the age of 33 he disappeared from the world never to be seen again for 2000 years.**

Jesus did not remain in Egypt for 12 years. OMG, you are still talking through your hat.

Islam teaches that Allah wanted to establish His only true religion (Islam) on earth and started to send His prophets. He primarily deemed that it would be better to send a prophet to every tribe on earth. He eventually forgot this principle and sent three of His major prophets to Jews. He also sent three of His four books to Jews. However, all his prophets failed to establish Islam because all of Allah’s books were corrupted by men. This corruption made Allah unhappy, but He could do nothing to stop this deviation. He finally came to His senses and sent His messenger Mohammad to Mecca. Mohammad surprisingly could do what Allah had long failed to do! He established Islam on earth and assured that Allah’s final book be preserved. He saved Allah’s house from the idols. Allah saw that Mohammad was much better than Himself, He decided to stop sending new messages and messengers. He eventually forced all the tribes in the world to read His final revelation written in Arabic and for the Arabs alone.

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So the life of god on earth was only 3 years out of the known 6000 years life of world. Was he a good man?. Ask the Jews please. Did the special experiment work any good for the world of his time? No. The christians (or we may say the old time Jews) were in hiding for about 300 years.**

You should ask the same questions after replacing the name Jesus with Mohammad in your statements. What goodness came out of Islam?? Nothing. Only bloodshed, anti-Semitism, violent husbands, invasion, terrorism, violation of basic human rights.

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We will discuss if Islam is bad or the christianity. It was lot better for the present day christians to remain on the faith of the Jews which is pure Unitarian and clean.**

However, Jews do not consider Muslims Unitarian and clean LOL

 

[Angelos]

I asked this very question to the Moslems and got an answer that Islam consider only those Christians among people of the Book who were infact given a book whose core of their faith is not heavily damaged BUT not people like you who are certainly polytheist.

What about the Jews that are called the People of the Scripture in your Koran? Actually, the Koran puts Christian and Jews into the same category of believers without any distinction.

This ridiculous parallelism taught by Mohammad somehow leads the writers of the Koran to slander Jews and declare them equal to pagans.

 

[knack]

Ok.
The people here talk a good game; but is Islam really all that BBAADD??
If Islam was as BAD as the people here say; why do educated people convert every day? Why are very educated people still muslims?
It cant be that they are all being lied to?
Surely they must see falseness in Christianity or the “church” that makes them choose Islam ?

They are only educated to what God allows them to see or think, Just as when Jesus healed the blind man & the high priest had a go at him for healing on the sabbath, and he quoted i have come to give sight to the blind and take it away from the educated, what Jesus was saying here those who think they really know God , dont know him at all.
Any religion or anything that denies the divinity of christ is from the anti christ.
Always in our Lords peace.

 

[Pro_Domina]

the Church fathers condemned heresies…st. John of Damascus calls Islam a heresy…we can do nothing to heretics be it Muslims or Mormons or whoever…after all, the gates of hell will try, and Jesus warns against false prophets, let those who have ears listen and those who do not can follow Muhammad, Smith, Bahaullah ecc
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none participated…neither Jews nor Christians will create a cult that calls for killing them**

 

[morning_star777]

Why do you even respond to R_not? She is beyond help. You know how you have bad Muslims, like Osama Bin Laden. Well we have bad Christians and R_not is one of them.

The only help for her is prayers and a miracle.

There are some really good Christians, who knows what it means to be Christ like and to be just. And I don’t want you to get the wrong picture of Christianity and what is teaches. Christ has never taught any of us to be like R_not.

And may the Lord have Mercy on all of us.

In Christ,

Silouan

You can not compare R_not with osama bin laden because osama is a nasty terrorist and R_not is a fair lady.and who is good christian or not,just lord jesus will decide that.you do not have this authority.btw,why do you think her bad?because she told some bitter truth about islam?koran ordered to kill non muslim where ever they found.sura tawba(9),verse,5,29,38,39 clearly order this.christians or jewish have 3 options.convert,pay or die.pagans have only two options,convert or die.i think as an ex muslim u did not read those verses.i am amazed.and one thing do not judge R_not but judge yourself.you do not have the right to say anything bad about her.in my view point R_not is very good lady.no one should expect that most of muslims wil hate us,they will stab us,they wil kill us and we christians should be stop!just remember we christians are not servants to other peoples.so i think that R_not is doing well.btw,a gentle man can not wrote such a comment to a lady.