Islam is BAD!!!

[8eofilos]

Ok.
The people here talk a good game; but is Islam really all that BBAADD??
If Islam was as BAD as the people here say; why do educated people convert every day? Why are very educated people still muslims?
It cant be that they are all being lied to?
Surely they must see falseness in Christianity or the “church” that makes them choose Islam ?

Just because people convert to Muslims or Christians everyday doesn’t mean a thing. I am so sad and sometimes angry on how easy someone changes and becomes something they don’t know. How can you say I am a Christian when you don’t have a clue of what Christianity means(completely, not just the Love part).
Don’t misunderstand me, I am a Christian and I believe truly in the Bible without and doubts or questions. Education means nothing today in our world because it is used to for the wrong purposes. Even as a Muslim you should know that because in most Universities the professors teach that God is a man creation and doesn’t exist. As for the falseness of Christianity I let God to Judge you of what you are saying about His Word and Son. But I can judge this:

In the Coran-Khoran-I have seen that Jesus is one of your prophets. Well forgive me for saying that you contradict yourselves already and the book is a lie the minute you accept Him as a prophet. Because He said I am the Son of Man, I am the Way and the only Way to God. So that means in your book that Jesus was a liar. So why should I believe a book that claims liars for prophets? And don’t tell me that it is written by Christians and not said by Jesus…that is a dumb answer because GOD knew that people would say that but that is one of the reasons that God chose that time for Jesus to be Crucified. There were records of trials and historians (non-Christian recording all these events. Something else that pulls me completely away from the Muslim religion is that Muhammad was supposedly the Great Prophet teaching but not following his own teachings. Jesus on the other hand, did exactly what he was teaching and died for us and that is an historical fact. Muhammad slaughtered thousands from what I recall. There is no justice when you kill even for God because God doesn’t ask us too. So don’t preach me about wrong in Christianity because I have found “tons” of mistakes in the book because it was written by man and not GOD. The Bible has no mistakes and if you think there is one, tell me where and I will prove you the opposite.

 

[KenEOTE]

I kow what he was trying to say. He did not realise what he is saying is actually goeas against his own standpoint.

Now, for your information, though Mark’s gospel has traditionally been attaributed to John Mark but this so called gospel is actually anonymous if you see the old copies which are titled “According to Mark”. Which means it is not really written by him.

The main aim of this story book of Mark’s was to equip Gentile Christians to stand faithful in the face of persecution.

But modern research often proposes as the author an unknown Hellenistic Jewish Christian, possibly in Syria, and perhaps shortly after the year 70.

And this is the reality of your Mark’s Gospel.

According to you it goes against my stand point. You however do not know my stand point you can only assume what you think is my stand-point. There again though. Saying According to Mark can mean either he wrote it or dictated the Gospel.

In the news they often say according to this eye witness and they quote what he says. It is still what he says. He is still relating the story he saw. It does not make what he says fiction or take away from the fact that he said it or wrote it.

Also you have said it often proposes. That does not mean that the modern research has come to a conclusion. It is jsut one of the theories they have about it.

Today there are even theories that there were no Hebrew slaves in Egypt. That it was Egyptians who built all those buildings and never used a slave. This of course comes from the leading Egyptian Historian, and head of the Cairo Museum. Does that now mean that the Torah is wrong? No, that is this mans theory. He of course has an agenda, behind what he says. As do you have an agenda behind your attacks. So we must first see what the agenda is and then we can weigh how much merit we give that person.

From what i have read of your posts, your agenda is not noble it is to tear down, and say hateful things about Christianity. I am not sure what has happened in your life to get you to that stage, but I will pray for you. If your agenda was to simply ask questions or help people to understand more your tone would have been different, but it is clear we can not hold much weight to your rants.

 

[Angelos]

I kow what he was trying to say. He did not realise what he is saying is actually goeas against his own standpoint.

Now, for your information, though Mark’s gospel has traditionally been attaributed to John Mark but this so called gospel is actually anonymous if you see the old copies which are titled “According to Mark”. Which means it is not really written by him.

The main aim of this story book of Mark’s was to equip Gentile Christians to stand faithful in the face of persecution.

But modern research often proposes as the author an unknown Hellenistic Jewish Christian, possibly in Syria, and perhaps shortly after the year 70.

And this is the reality of your Mark’s Gospel.

We know the reality of our Mark’s Gospel, do not worry Raul.

Many scholars are free to put forward their presumptions about the origin of the Gospel of Mark. The significant thing is that the apostolic tradition has ascribed this Gospel to John Mark for ages now.

Modern research cannot undermine the fact that the Church of Christ acknowledged this text to be an inspired writing giving testimony to Jesus the Messiah.

What if the writer is a Helenistic Jewish Christian, dear Raul? What does this prove? The Church of Christ, unlike your dear Mohammad, did not need to have many people write contradictory verses and attribute whatever they wrote to Allah with the help of the innovated notion of dictation through an angel. The Church of Christ never stipulated that the writers of the Gospels be chosen from among the 12 apostles.

You are also quick to leap into false conclusions. How come the title “according to Mark” in the old copies enables you to conclude that this Gospel was written by an unknown author is a mystery to me.

 

[inJESUS]

Aaronjo thinks he knows who wrote what more than the disciples’ disciples…sometimes islamic arguments give the impression they believe that after Jesus there were no apostles, no disciples of apostles, no established churches, no church fathers, no priests, nothing…but i’d say Islam and history do not get along very well…

 

[Angelos]

Further since he alongwith other writers of Gospels say different things (they are not on same page all the time) hence they all were like fiction writers.

Thanks for telling this.

You Muslims always part with reason and logic while attacking other religions than Islam.

It is natural and necessary for each evangelist to say different things, for each evangelist wrote his Gospel with a different aim in mind and a different group of people to address. If Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John had written the same thing with no difference, there would have been one single Gospel text copied by each evangelist letter by letter. Your expectation is irrational.

 

[inJESUS]

You Muslims always part with reason and logic while attacking other religions than Islam.

It is natural and necessary for each evangelist to say different things, for each evangelist wrote his Gospel with a different aim in mind and a different group of people to address. If Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John had written the same thing with no difference, there would have been one single Gospel text copied by each evangelist letter by letter. Your expectation is irrational.

they’d still claim it is corrupt for how can many authors write about exactly the same things , the same events with exactly the details …

yet the Quran, supposedly written by one author, repeats the same historical texts each time adding details…
someone was learning…

 

[Angelos]

they’d still claim it is corrupt for how can many authors write about exactly the same things , the same events with exactly the details …

yet the Quran, supposedly written by one author, repeats the same historical texts each time adding details…
someone was learning…

There are lots of textual variations in the Koran. Either Mohammad’s god forgot that he was sending a single book or that Mohammad’s scribes suffered from short memory and produced a disastrous recitation.

 

[aaronjo]

YOU are a liar because you attributed your subjective comments to the Catholic Church’s teaching on the Gospel of Mark. You said, “It is not a nor the Word of God. It is merely a story telling book”, which is not endorsed by the Catholic Church.

Your Vatican Bible in very plain English informing you and the whole English speaking world that** “It was Mark, as far as we [Catholics/Vatican] know, who first applied the term “gospel” to a book telling the story of Jesus ;…”**

The common sense tells that it simply means this Mark’s Gospel cannot be the Word of G_d, as Mark was the first person who applied the term “gospel” to his story book.

If it was the Word of Go_d then not just him but all other gospel assumed writers would have used it for their story books of Jesus, as well.

Surprisingly John’s gospel is not known or called as synoptic, the first three are… why?

And as I said earlier Mark’s gospel seems written for Gentile Christians for a specific purpose. The Word of G_d cannot be accidently written down. It should have a same and one purpose all the time form the beginning.

Now I am not going to show you how much all these gospels contradict each other, as this calls for a new thread.

Though I would like to know from Vatican standpoint, what is the fate of un-Baptized babies, and if they were of non Catholics parents? Let’s see where Vatican stands nowadays as opposed to her Limbo days. Why baptising is necessary?

 

[Angelos]

Your Vatican Bible in very plain English informing you and the whole English speaking world that** “It was Mark, as far as we [Catholics/Vatican] know, who first applied the term “gospel” to a book telling the story of Jesus ;…”**

The common sense tells that it simply means this Mark’s Gospel cannot be the Word of G_d, as Mark was the first person who applied the term “gospel” to his story book.

No, dear Raul aka happyday etc… It is not commonsense that leads one to that conclusion, but your ridiculous assumptions and vain efforts to justify the Koran.

Since the Catholic Church dissents from your views about the Gospel of Mark and considers it an indispensable part of the Christian Holy Scripture (divine and inspired Word of God), you remain a liar. LOL

If it was the Word of Go_d then not just him but all other gospel assumed writers would have used it for their story books of Jesus, as well.

All of the four Gospels and the other writings of the NT are the inspired Word of God, dear Muslim with multiple nicks and deceptive games.

Mark or the other evangelists did not need to think like you or surrender to your expectations. You cannot impose limitations on Jesus’ message or on His disciples.

Besides, your argument leads you nowhere. In order to support it, you must first prove that only Mark was allowed by Jesus to write a Gospel and that Jesus commanded the other disciples to follow Mark’s text as the only Gospel. No such a silly thing happened.

Surprisingly John’s gospel is not known or called as synoptic, the first three are… why?

John wrote his Gospel at a very late period and wanted to be more didactic. He simply wrote his book to highlight how Christian theology was related to, but not dependent on the Mosaic Law and the Torah.

And as I said earlier Mark’s gospel seems written for Gentile Christians for a specific purpose. The Word of G_d cannot be accidently written down. It should have a same and one purpose all the time form the beginning.

You are such a weird poster that you always strive to debunk your personal allegations about Christianity whilst you mistakenly suppose that what you rebut is Christianity.

First, you say Mark wrote his Gospel with a specific purpose and addressed Gentile Christians. So what? What does this prove? Nothing! There is no rule in Christianity that says a Gospel written for gentile Christians cannot be authentic and thus must be discarded. More to the point, Luke also wrote His Gospel to address Gentile Christians, and actually the theme of the Gospel’s universality is more emphasised in Luke than in Mark.

You cannot put restrictions on the word of God. Additionally, you are not in a position to stipulate that all Gospels be written with the same purpose and at the same time. Your man-made rules are meaningless to us.

Now I am not going to show you how much all these gospels contradict each other, as this calls for a new thread.

It is a bit late for you to realise this. LOL You have been writing posts against Christianity on a thread dedicated to the debate of Islamic evil.

Though I would like to know from Vatican standpoint, what is the fate of un-Baptized babies, and if they were of non Catholics parents? Let’s see where Vatican stands nowadays as opposed to her Limbo days. Why baptising is necessary?

What does this issue have to do with the author of Mark’s Gospel or the natural differences between the four Gospels???

I hope you are not drunk on the eve of Ramadan

 

[aaronjo]

BTW, in the most ancient manuscripts, the Gospel of Mark ends with an abrupt scene at Jesus’ tomb, which the women find empty.

The longer ending of Marks’ gospel is found in some less important manuscripts.

As per early citations of Catholic Fathers it was composed by the second century, but vocabulary and style indicates that it was not written by Mark…duh.!!

Do you know the below verses came from which “gospel”:

""And they excused themselves, saying, "This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and power of God to prevail over the unclean things dominated by the spirits [or, does not allow the unclean things dominated by the spirits to grasp the truth and power of God]. "

 

[Michael_Francis]

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