ISLAM is False, Mulhammad is false

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Quite interesting chain of threads. Jesus never said that Islam is false. It is a derived belief. Jesus warned his friends against false prophets. But Jesus never said that Muhammad will be false.

Also according to Moses (Deut 18:21-22):

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

According to that verse, everything that Muhammad said came true, in his life time and very soon afterwards. So Muhammad was a true prophet of God.
 
planten said:
Quite interesting chain of threads. Jesus never said that Islam is false. It is a derived belief. Jesus warned his friends against false prophets. But Jesus never said that Muhammad will be false.
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That would be a bit silly if He did, since no one knew what Islam was at that time, and no one did until the 600’s AD. He did, however, warn of false prophets:

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. [Matthew 7:15]
planten said:
Also according to Moses (Deut 18:21-22):

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

According to that verse, everything that Muhammad said came true, in his life time and very soon afterwards. So Muhammad was a true prophet of God.
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There’s a major problem in your argument in that this is not the only way a prophet is seen to be from God. In quoting one passage from Deuteronomy and presenting this as your main argument, you’re attempting to tell us that any prophet that meets this standard should be automatically accepted.

Also, you seem to be ignoring my previous post on the first page of this thread, which detail why Christians have a problem with Islam and why Islam can’t come from the same God as the God of Christianity. I will quote the relevant part:
Byzantine_Wolf said:
…An angel physically attacks Mohammad, barks orders, terrifies him (all of which no angel has ever done), and gives him a revelation that, over time, becomes the Koran. What does this revelation teach?
  • Christ is not divine (S. 5:116)
  • Christ was not crucified, let alone died on the cross or was resurrected (S. 4:157)
  • The Trinity is a lie (S. 5:73)
All of these contradict the Gospels specifically and the New Testament in general. This presents several problems

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made…And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. [John 1:1-3, 14]

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [Galatians 1:6-8]

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. [2 Corinthians 11:13-14]

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. [2 John 1:7]…
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And it is most certainly not true that all of Mohammad’s prophecies came true. One example (indeed, we need only one):

Narrated Mu’adh ibn Jabal:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu’adh ibn Jabal). [Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4281]

Narrated Mu’adh ibn Jabal:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months. [Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4282]

Constantinople was conquered in 1453 AD - the antichrist has yet to come. There are other failed prophecies given by Mohammad, and others not prophecies at all which many Muslims take to be of a prophetic nature.
 
planta, Please tell us how this verse makes Muhammad any thing in fact his name is not told he may be talking about one of the three little pigs…

this Bible verse make No sense to a Christian
 
There may have been several occasions where people had claimed the prophet Muhammad had said or claimed something prior to his official death.
 
planten said:
**Bill had started the thread : ISLAM is False, Mulhammad is false **

Quite interesting chain of threads. Jesus never said that Islam is false. It is a derived belief. Jesus warned his friends against false prophets. But Jesus never said that Muhammad will be false.

Also according to Moses (Deut 18:21-22):

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

According to that verse, everything that Muhammad said came true, in his life time and very soon afterwards. So Muhammad was a true prophet of God.
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Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect. So Muhammad was just another ,murder. Do we believe a murder or a man of God Our Lord Jesus Chrust.
 
Bill_Pick said:
Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect. So Muhammad was just another ,murder. Do we believe a murder or a man of God Our Lord Jesus Chrust.
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** Bill Pick, Jesus was also a prophet of God. He warned his friends to be careful of the false prophets. He never said that true prophets will not come. How can Jesus say that true prophets will not come?. He warned his friends about the false prophets / messengers. So christians should have been careful about the false messengers. that was enough.

But they always did more than what needed, what was necessary. Like making a god out of a man, was more than necessary. Jesus was very well as a messenger of God. But church leapt one step forward and made Jesus into God.

Similarly, if Jesus said “be careful about false prophets. Many false prophets will come.”, the christians forgot all about any true prophet of God. Prophets had been coming from time immemorial to mankind. Only prophets/ messengers had been coming. Never a God came himself. But the christians brought a God and also shut the door to any future prophet / messnger. Why?

When Jesus did not say that true prophet will not come, then why the church took up that line seriously?? Jesus warned you about false prophets, not about true prophets.**
 
planten said:
Bill Pick, Jesus was also a prophet of God. He warned his friends to be careful of the false prophets. He never said that true prophets will not come.
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…did you just pull a “can’t prove a negative”?

Planten, I think in my short time knowing you on this forum, you have used every logical fallacy known to man. :hypno:
 
**In fact Jesus predicted about the future prophets. Amongst them, he warned his friends, to be careful of the false ones. That is the teaching of Jesus for us all. He said nothing against the true prophet.

In fact he said that his mission was not fully accomplished. He had many things to say but he could not say them. He told about some one to come after him, the like of him, i.e. another Comforter. Jesus was a Comforter. He said ,“God will give you another Comforter.” Another means one more like Jesus.

In any case Jesus predicted for some one after himself. That could not be a prediction about a false prophet. Never could be. **
 
John92 said:
Who said Judaism wasn’t false?

😉
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How could a religion be true at one point in time and then suddenly become false…you can label the Jews as unbelievers (by rejecting Christ) but their religion didn’t change its major theological understandings since first established by God through Moses…
 
planten said:
In fact he said that his mission was not fully accomplished. He had many things to say but he could not say them. He told about some one to come after him, the like of him, i.e. another Comforter. Jesus was a Comforter. He said ,“God will give you another Comforter.” Another means one more like Jesus.
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Ah yes, the parakletos argument. Easily destroyed with one passage of scripture:

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. [Luke 14:26]

Mohammad is not the parakletos - the Holy Spirit is the parakletos, as spoken by the words of Jesus Himself. 🙂
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
…did you just pull a “can’t prove a negative”?

Planten, I think in my short time knowing you on this forum, you have used every logical fallacy known to man. :hypno:
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**B W, please say that Jesus was not a prophet of God. Will you say that?

Also say That Jesus said, “no more true prophet will come.”

I hope you believe the same things that I said. And you did not comment or deny anything that I had written. It was all from your bible. **
 
planten said:
B W, please say that Jesus was not a prophet of God. Will you say that?

Also say That Jesus said, “no more true prophet will come.”

I hope you believe the same things that I said. And you did not deny anything.
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I believe that you always avoid the arguments people present and go off on your own tangents in a desperate attempt to not respond to anything presented before you, just as you’ve done here. 🙂

I gave two or three long posts on the first page discussing why Christians don’t believe Islam is a true religion. I did it for the benefit of Muslims. I expected Muslims to respond. Thus far, I’ve had non sequitors and a little bit of a “can’t prove a negative,” which I didn’t expect. I’m amazed you didn’t simply try to claim my posts were too long and therefore that somehow meant you couldn’t respond at all.
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
I believe that you always avoid the arguments people present and go off on your own tangents in a desperate attempt to not respond to anything presented before you, just as you’ve done here. 🙂

I gave two or three long posts on the first page discussing why Christians don’t believe Islam is a true religion. I did it for the benefit of Muslims. I expected Muslims to respond. Thus far, I’ve had non sequitors and a little bit of a “can’t prove a negative,” which I didn’t expect. I’m amazed you didn’t simply try to claim my posts were too long and therefore that somehow meant you couldn’t respond at all.
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** B W, you please respond to my present post. then present your old problems to me one by one only i.e. one point at a time. i will remain close to your words and will try to reply as well as I could. Thanks.

If your points were in some different threads then please indicate those threads in this thread only**.
 
planten said:
B W, you please respond to my present post. then present your old problems to me one by one only i.e. one point at a time.
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No. That is not how discussion works. You do not just make up your own points in the middle and completely disregard the arguments presented by the other person, especially when they’ve laid it out in detail for you to understand. Furthermore, you do not demand people respond to those points before you engage in the dialogue started. Not only is that disrespectful to the person attempting to engage in dialogue, but that is once again the non sequitor fallacy.

Your opponents have made arguments at the very beginning of this thread. Either respond to those and engage in open discussion, or do not bother engaging in discussion at all.
 
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