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planten said:
** R_Not, Yes, I meant the secret relation between Jesus and Mary Magd which church was able to hide and they kept it in special Codes. Nobody understood those things except the specialists. Da Vinci Code had been proved and they say that Jesus had a son too from that secret marriage.

That was made known about 200 years ago. Now recently they have discovered a burial site for the Jesus family and they say that son of Jesus is there in that burial place.

Then there are more reliable news that Jesus after recovering from the ordeal of the cross, he fled eastward in search of his lost sheep of Israel. That was necessary. he was a Jew and he was given the duty to preach (tend) to the sheep of Israel only which he did very well in Palestine. But the sheep in Palestine did not listen to him.

He said that he had other sheep too to whom he should have to go. And those sheep were in Afghanistan. So he went to that area and his followers helped him by saying that he had gone up to the father. That was a safety valve so that nobody goes looking for Jesus. He was a condemned man, could be caught and put on the cross again.

That is a long history of christianity, travels of Jesus. You read our hadith and I will read your bible. Don’t mind please.**
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incredible. utterly incredible.
 
planten said:
** R_Not, Yes, I meant the secret relation between Jesus and Mary Magd which church was able to hide and they kept it in special Codes. Nobody understood those things except the specialists. Da Vinci Code had been proved and they say that Jesus had a son too from that secret marriage.

That was made known about 200 years ago. Now recently they have discovered a burial site for the Jesus family and they say that son of Jesus is there in that burial place.

Then there are more reliable news that Jesus after recovering from the ordeal of the cross, he fled eastward in search of his lost sheep of Israel. That was necessary. he was a Jew and he was given the duty to preach (tend) to the sheep of Israel only which he did very well in Palestine. But the sheep in Palestine did not listen to him.

He said that he had other sheep too to whom he should have to go. And those sheep were in Afghanistan. So he went to that area and his followers helped him by saying that he had gone up to the father. That was a safety valve so that nobody goes looking for Jesus. He was a condemned man, could be caught and put on the cross again.

That is a long history of christianity, travels of Jesus. You read our hadith and I will read your bible. Don’t mind please.**
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Planten is definitely better at making fantasies and perverting our scripture than his undereducated pagan prophet. 🙂

Planten, your posts are rubbish since you cannot support your satanic arguments without distorting the New Testament. You must have lots of time to waste.
 
i agree and even though the thought has crossed my mind that many muslims are not used to these kinds of dialogues, i would think that with as many posts as certain members have made, they might catch on a bit.

the whole concept of seeing things from another’s POV seems to be lost though. i can see how they have come to accept and believe these things and i guess we aren’t really making a good case as to how and why the violence is wrong. how can we? they simply must accept what (they believe) God wants. i don’t know that i’m qualified to debunk islam.

the problem i have on this forum though is with the muslims that claim they are peaceful and that there is no violence in their religion.

the patterns of evasion are getting old. i feel like not wanting to know truth goes against human nature, yet time and time again, i see answers that clearly show a lack of interest in getting to the bottom of things.

i don’t know i am tired, but i am not going to forget about what i said in post 274 and 292.

planten can evade all he wants, but tomorrow i will get back to the issue.

… to be continued… :sleep:
 
I just received an email with this article in it. I don’t know if you remember that a few months ago muslims bombed and killed many in China. And of course, the ‘moderates’ that hid the jihadists claimed victimhood. 🤷
geez that gets old…

anyway, here is the article - it seems Italy and China have been pushed to their limits with their junk!

China’s Islamic Crackdown has Begun

a quote from an email about this article I got:

"…right after Muslims in China had bombed some buses in China. Now the crackdown has begun as hijabs and Islamic beards have been banned, along with Muslims praying in public. Also students and government officials who are Muslims were not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan as they were forced to eat. China has now joined Italy as the leaders in the worldwide battle against Islam . I doubt that many Muslims will be wanting to move to China anymore."

Take note - the muslims don’t go after the military - nooooooo, they go after innocent civilians on a bus. Sound familiar?!
 
R_not said:
They are successfully getting sanctions in the UN to shut down discussions of islam worldwide. They, for now, are non-binding but all it would take is more intimidation via terrorism, lawsuits, etc to make them binding. They also are successful at attacking (terrorism, lawsuits, just down right mafia-style thuggery) companies, the media and others who put out books, videos, or even hint at any discussion of islam here in the USA.

I am only going to post a few of the articles there are more and probably more that are recent in what the muslims are successfully getting passed in order to shut down free speech. Mostly the countries who follow this sort of sanctions are the more socialistic countries of Europe, Canada, and such. Our own government has tried to dissuade these sorts of sanctions. But, even our own mainstream media is in appeasement mode when it comes to the crimes also.

UN shutting down free speech in regards to discussing islam

The UN and muslims trying to outlaw the spread of Christianity

Article about muslims wanting to train our reporters in how to report muslim news - basically censoring that they are muslims shouting ‘allahu akbar’ when committing crimes and other things such as that.

UN banning free speech

UN banning free speech when refering to muslim countries and sharia law, and its human rights abuses

As usual the articles are numerous and there are many more, but I don’t want to overwhelm people.

And as far as them overpopulating via uncontrolled birth rates - well, that came out of muslim’s mouths.

Article about the document, The Project, found stating their stealth jihad

The Project in English

Vatican says muslims have more kids

Uncontrolled birth rates and immigration in France (it is going on in other nations as well, Geert Wilders talks about it in his movie, and document to his Parliament).

The problem is that we just think islam is only a theological thing. It is not. It is as political as our Republican/Democrat parties. It has laws like our Constitution that they want to replace, by the way with their sharia law. They don’t necessarily care if we all convert, but they do want us to accept subjugation if we don’t convert (or die).

Their sharial laws not only rule their countries, it rules their selves too right down to their potty behavior. It is all encompassing and all invasive.

And by the way, in the end, all theological discussions come down to - you are bashing them because I can guarantee you that you will run circles around the koran and hadiths, and their ‘prophet’ mohammed. This is why they have to censor all discussion of it with non-muslims. None of them have yet proven that the Bible is corrupted because the only one that asserted it was an illiterate pagan - mohammed.
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so much to read! thank you r not.

and as for china, it will interesting to see if this feeds the beast or keeps it at bay.
 
R_not said:
I just received an email with this article in it. I don’t know if you remember that a few months ago muslims bombed and killed many in China. And of course, the ‘moderates’ that hid the jihadists claimed victimhood. 🤷
geez that gets old…

anyway, here is the article - it seems Italy and China have been pushed to their limits with their junk!

China’s Islamic Crackdown has Begun

a quote from an email about this article I got:

"…right after Muslims in Chna had bombed some buses in China. Now the crackdown has begun as hijabs and Islamic beards have been banned, along with Muslims praying in public. Also students and government officials who are Muslims were not allowed to fast during the month of Ramadan as they were forced to eat. China has now joined Italy as the leaders in the worldwide battle against Islam . I doubt that many Muslims will be wanting to move to China anymore."

Take note - the -]muslims/-] Islamic militants don’t go after the military - nooooooo, they go after innocent civilians on a bus. Sound familiar?!
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Yes they target soldiers.
Imagine saying “the Christians” sexually abuse children, or “the Christians” hanged blacks in the south. You cannot generalize everyone in the religion because some take a violent, radical interpretation of it.
 
SimonArizona said:
Yes they target soldiers.
Imagine saying “the Christians” sexually abuse children, or “the Christians” hanged blacks in the south. You cannot generalize everyone in the religion because some take a violent, radical interpretation of it.
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Since islam is just as much a political way of life as it is a religious way, it is all imposing and all invasive - right down to their potty behavior - yes, you can say just exactly as you write.

No, they did not in China, nor do they in Israel attack the military. they only fight the military when forced to do so - basically, after a long time of continual attacks against the citizenry. And ‘islamic militants’ are muslims. muslims are jihadists. We are the ones that differentiate - muslims do not do so. In fact, jihad is the primary duty of ALL muslims. some use different tactics and one of those tactics is deception.

Here is a good writeup on how they put a veil of holiness on death and destruction.

Centrality of jihad in islam

Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: “A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“
(Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]

And to expand on the above quote - if you read the koran and at least peruse the hadiths you will find that this is indeed true.

If you read the history of Lebanon, the Balkans, Southeast Asia, even the history of the Israeli/muslim conflict etc you will find that it is common for them to start the violence, then when their numbers are rather low they will claim victimhood, and when their numbers increase to a certain number - basically they feel more secure the violence increases, if the population fights back the muslims will claim the others started it and it is a never ending war.

Geert Wilders put it nicely not only in his film, but also in his letter to his Parliament.

Geert Wilders full transcript

It goes into what my signature also goes into - the increase in the muslim population also has an increase of violence directed towards the non-muslim population.

Do I wish it were not true?! YES! unfortunately, it is the muslims who are doing this with the help of the so called majority of ‘moderates’. there are indeed some who are against sharia law, and against the violence, but they are right in it with us as far as this phenomenon of islamic imperialism. This phenomenon is not only happening in china, but Southeast Asia, Africa, Europe, Canada, the Balkans, Russia, Australia, etc. their goal is to establish sharia law, not necessarily convert us - to subjugate us. You have to read THEIR texts and stop listening to the da’wa of muslims who only post the abrogated passages of their texts.

Da’wa: Definition: In Islam, da’wa means a “call” or “invitation,” and has been used to refer to a person being “called” to follow Islam. However, it has developed into the idea of a “mission” or “propaganda,” either in a political or religious sense.
Actually Da’wa is considered to be some type of “Jihad” its called “The Word Jihad” (aka Jihad Alkalema) , per (Quran 25:52) and the instructions of Muhammed in this Hadith:
 
planten said:
** R_Not, Yes, I meant the secret relation between Jesus and Mary Magd which church was able to hide and they kept it in special Codes. Nobody understood those things except the specialists. Da Vinci Code had been proved and they say that Jesus had a son too from that secret marriage.

That was made known about 200 years ago. Now recently they have discovered a burial site for the Jesus family and they say that son of Jesus is there in that burial place.

Then there are more reliable news that Jesus after recovering from the ordeal of the cross, he fled eastward in search of his lost sheep of Israel. That was necessary. he was a Jew and he was given the duty to preach (tend) to the sheep of Israel only which he did very well in Palestine. But the sheep in Palestine did not listen to him.

He said that he had other sheep too to whom he should have to go. And those sheep were in Afghanistan. So he went to that area and his followers helped him by saying that he had gone up to the father. That was a safety valve so that nobody goes looking for Jesus. He was a condemned man, could be caught and put on the cross again.

That is a long history of christianity, travels of Jesus. You read our hadith and I will read your bible. Don’t mind please.**
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If you really beleive the DaVinci code and all that, I have some beach-front land in Kansas and a bridge in Brooklyn you can buy cheep.

IT is all made up non-sense intended to tear down Christ and sell books to the ignorant.
 
ralphinal said:
If you really beleive the DaVinci code and all that, I have some beach-front land in Kansas and a bridge in Brooklyn you can buy cheep.

IT is all made up non-sense intended to tear down Christ and sell books to the ignorant.
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** No I did not want to believe what was in Da Vinci Code. But it came handy in dealing with some nasty poster here. Thanks to Leonardo da Vinci and his Mona Lisa, in Paris. Thanks for the offer of the land and the bridge…**
 
On a website devoted to Ramadhan, the Muslim Brotherhood posted a series of articles by Dr. Ahmad 'Abd Al-Khaleq about Al-Walaa Wa’l-Baraa, an Islamic doctrine which, in its fundamentalist interpretation, stipulates absolute allegiance to the community of Muslims and total rejection of non-Muslims and of Muslims who have strayed from the path of Islam. In his articles, the writer argues that according to this principle, a Muslim can come closer to Allah by hating all non-Muslims – Christians, Jews, atheists, or polytheists – and by waging jihad against them in every possible manner.
memriiwmp.org/content/en/report.htm?report=2877
 
planten said:
** No I did not want to believe what was in Da Vinci Code. But it came handy in dealing with some nasty poster here. Thanks to Leonardo da Vinci and his Mona Lisa, in Paris. Thanks for the offer of the land and the bridge…**
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By using that sort of tactic in arguing your point - you invalidate yourself as a credible source. You are just pulling things out of the air and are unable to back up your own koran and hadiths. You can’t even answer my question to prove that the Bible was corrupted by proof other than an illiterate pagan, mohammed, saying it was corrupted. None of you can figure out for yourselves that he did that so as to make up his own version to suit his own desires.

on deception in islam:
Bukhari:V7B71N661 “Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle and he was bewitched so that he began to imagine doing things which in fact, he had not done.”

Ishaq:323 “I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them.”

Ishaq:365
Tabari VII:94 “Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.’ ‘Say what you like,’ Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.’”

Tabari VIII:23 “The Messenger and his Companions continued in the fear and distress that Allah has described in the Qur’an. Then Nu’aym came to the Prophet. 'I ‘ve become a Muslim, but my tribe does not know of my Islam; so command me whatever you will.’ Muhammad said, ‘Make them abandon each other if you can so that they will leave us; for war is deception.’”

Ishaq:442 “By Muhammad’s order we beguiled them.”
(definition of beguile: to lead by deception)

mohammed the assasination AND deception:

Bukhari:V5B59N369 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’”
 
SimonArizona said:
Yes they target soldiers.
Imagine saying “the Christians” sexually abuse children, or “the Christians” hanged blacks in the south. You cannot generalize everyone in the religion because some take a violent, radical interpretation of it.
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There is a bottom line with Muslim immigration and that is trouble. If left unchecked Islam will destroy Christianity.
 
It has not accomplished that in 14 centuries, and it won’t now. I’m not saying that we don’t have anything to worry about, but falling into hysterics isn’t good either. Let us not forget our strength (Philippians 4:13)!
 
SimonArizona said:
Yes they target soldiers.
Imagine saying “the Christians” sexually abuse children, or “the Christians” hanged blacks in the south. You cannot generalize everyone in the religion because some take a violent, radical interpretation of it.
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You have a point SimonArizona. And you are right to suggest that Muslims are not all narrow minded, blood seeking murderers.

Unfortunately, a small minority around the world are of course.

The difference i see with Christianity and Islam is that a lot of the bad, evil side of Islam is traced directly back to Muhummad.

There is no question that he killed, raped and stole from peaceful innocents in order to spread his new religion. There is no question in the years after his death his followers, after jockeying for positions in the new dynasty, continued this evil in order to expand their borders.

Jesus did not do any of these things. His followers went into the world and were persecuted by Romans and Jews alike, giving their lives for their testimony and not killing or subjecting anyone but relying on their own testimony and the power of God. Most of them lost their lives in executions and from their writings, they knew they were likely to die. They went to their deaths preaching peace and reconciliation with God through the death of Jesus - the incarnation of God’s Word.

If Christians do evil things today they cannot in any way claim they are following Jesus.
If (some) muslims around the world do that than they can legitamitely claim they are following Muhummad.

If the basis of your religion is on a man who killed,raped and stole in order to found his dynasty/religion then you have to somehow justify that in your own mind.
Non Muslims are well aware from the koran, hadiths and history just what kind of a man founded Islam.
Muslims must either live in denial and spread ignorance, or feel that killing and subjucating is OK in the name of the spread of Islam. Both are dangerous concepts to hold.
Dangerous not just for the non believer but the believer also.

The beauty and truth of Christianity is that God does not need violence in order to spread his words of peace. Through the death of Jesus he calls people to accept their sufferring and immerse their lives in goodness - even if it means their own death.

God is indeed great. Great in love, patience and kindness not in death, rape and theft.

Jesus shows us god, Muhammad does not.

Islam is false. It is not from God. IMHO.
 
abucs said:
You have a point SimonArizona. And you are right to suggest that Muslims are not all narrow minded, blood seeking murderers.

Unfortunately, a small minority around the world are of course.

The difference i see with Christianity and Islam is that a lot of the bad, evil side of Islam is traced directly back to Muhummad.

There is no question that he killed, raped and stole from peaceful innocents in order to spread his new religion. There is no question in the years after his death his followers, after jockeying for positions in the new dynasty, continued this evil in order to expand their borders.

Jesus did not do any of these things. His followers went into the world and were persecuted by Romans and Jews alike, giving their lives for their testimony and not killing or subjecting anyone but relying on their own testimony and the power of God. Most of them lost their lives in executions and from their writings, they knew they were likely to die. They went to their deaths preaching peace and reconciliation with God through the death of Jesus - the incarnation of God’s Word.

If Christians do evil things today they cannot in any way claim they are following Jesus.
If (some) muslims around the world do that than they can legitamitely claim they are following Muhummad.

If the basis of your religion is on a man who killed,raped and stole in order to found his dynasty/religion then you have to somehow justify that in your own mind.
Non Muslims are well aware from the koran, hadiths and history just what kind of a man founded Islam.
Muslims must either live in denial and spread ignorance, or feel that killing and subjucating is OK in the name of the spread of Islam. Both are dangerous concepts to hold.
Dangerous not just for the non believer but the believer also.

The beauty and truth of Christianity is that God does not need violence in order to spread his words of peace. Through the death of Jesus he calls people to accept their sufferring and immerse their lives in goodness - even if it means their own death.

God is indeed great. Great in love, patience and kindness not in death, rape and theft.

Jesus shows us god, Muhammad does not.

Islam is false. It is not from God. IMHO.
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excellent post.

i completely agree, but could never state it as well as you just did.
 
planten said:
** R_Not, Yes, I meant the secret relation between Jesus and Mary Magd which church was able to hide and they kept it in special Codes. Nobody understood those things except the specialists. Da Vinci Code had been proved and they say that Jesus had a son too from that secret marriage.

That was made known about 200 years ago. Now recently they have discovered a burial site for the Jesus family and they say that son of Jesus is there in that burial place.

Then there are more reliable news that Jesus after recovering from the ordeal of the cross, he fled eastward in search of his lost sheep of Israel. That was necessary. he was a Jew and he was given the duty to preach (tend) to the sheep of Israel only which he did very well in Palestine. But the sheep in Palestine did not listen to him.

He said that he had other sheep too to whom he should have to go. And those sheep were in Afghanistan. So he went to that area and his followers helped him by saying that he had gone up to the father. That was a safety valve so that nobody goes looking for Jesus. He was a condemned man, could be caught and put on the cross again.

That is a long history of christianity, travels of Jesus. You read our hadith and I will read your bible. Don’t mind please.**
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Oh Great, Planten. According to you Islam has : Quran, Hadiths, Sharia Laws, and finally the Da Vinci Code.
 
Lance said:
On a website devoted to Ramadhan, the Muslim Brotherhood posted a series of articles by Dr. Ahmad 'Abd Al-Khaleq about Al-Walaa Wa’l-Baraa, an Islamic doctrine which, in its fundamentalist interpretation, stipulates absolute allegiance to the community of Muslims and total rejection of non-Muslims and of Muslims who have strayed from the path of Islam. In his articles, the writer argues that according to this principle, a Muslim can come closer to Allah by hating all non-Muslims – Christians, Jews, atheists, or polytheists – and by waging jihad against them in every possible manner.
memriiwmp.org/content/en/report.htm?report=2877
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** I won’t read that report from Abdul Khaleq. I will reject that report outright as being a false and bad teaching. That is not Islam. That teaching about hating every one is a false teaching and it has nothing to do with Islam. It may be the desires of the fundamentalist type of people who are found in every Muslim country. They are waiting for a bloody mahdi.

There is never coming any bloody Mahdi who will wage a religious war. That is a false concept. So please forgive me if I did not read any article full of hatred.**
 
planten said:
** No I did not want to believe what was in Da Vinci Code. But it came handy in dealing with some nasty poster here. Thanks to Leonardo da Vinci and his Mona Lisa, in Paris. Thanks for the offer of the land and the bridge…**
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your not taking your medication are you?
 
planten said:
** I won’t read that report from Abdul Khaleq. I will reject that report outright as being a false and bad teaching. That is not Islam. That teaching about hating every one is a false teaching and it has nothing to do with Islam. It may be the desires of the fundamentalist type of people who are found in every Muslim country. They are waiting for a bloody mahdi.**

There is never coming any bloody Mahdi who will wage a religious war. That is a false concept. So please forgive me if I did not read any article full of hatred.
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You say you don’t want to read an article full of hatred and yet believe and read the Quran which is full of hatred for the unbelievers!

Vickie
 
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