Islam/Quran/Muhammad are peaceful and humanitarian; not racial

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Planten,
What does the word innocent mean in Islam?
Who is an example of an innocent person?
Ralph, an innocent person is a one who has not killed any one, abused any one, troubled or fought against any one. It could also be considered as some one who has not disobeyed any law of the land.

By the word innocent is meant that person has been peaceful. I cannot say any more. He may belong to any faith, Jews, Hindus, Muslims or christians. Will you kindly give me your definition of the word “Innocent”. Thanks.
 
Originally Posted by paarsurrey
there are no instructions in Quran to kill Jews indiscriminately and for nothing.
At least I don’t see any.
**mark a [/quote said:
;4477295] According to the Quran, is there any reason at all to kill Jews?

Thanks.

Hi

Thank you for asking such an innocent question. I had answered the question in the next line
“At least I don’t see any”
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But please don’t rely on me. I suggest to you in the words of our friend here :
Pismopal
For openers…read the Koran…I implore you. You seem like a nice guy and I agree with you that it is wrong to color people who aren’t of your faith with one brush.
Please do a little research with Quran. Go through all the verses mentioned by our friend eucharisted as to the text of Quran and the context of Quran; the reality will dawn on you, then stick to it, it will be a fruit of your research. You will like it like an apple of your eye.

Please don’t just rely on my words; I may be wrong or biased or nothing of the sort. I may be with the Truth; then don’t blink you eyes.

Please help our friend eucharisted in finding out the most deadly verse in Quran from its text and context. In this process of your research if the contradiction in Quran which our friend eucharisted has just imagined from copy/pasting, if it disappears before your eyes; we will be lucky enough.

So long.

You may please start with your research by accessing:
alislam.org/quran/tafseer/guide.htm?region=E1

Please insert the chapter number and verse number in the button “Go to Verse” ; and then click “go”.

Please read for yourself. Seeing is believing.

God bless you!

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks
 
claymcdermott; 4476688 said:
**It is dangerous to attempt to dismiss a religion by the actions of some of its member’s inability to follow it. **

Hi

Thank you for your above charitable words.

I would add here; all revealed religions are a common heritage of the human beings. Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Socrates, Jesus, Muhammad, Second Coming 1835-1908 are **one ** to improve the social, moral, spiritual state of the humans. They never tried to snatch power; they never needed in the first place. They never were pitched to fight against the Vested Clergy and the rulers they supported most. These were the people who fought with the Innocent Reformers; and then as the politicians do, put the blame on the Innocent Reformers.

This is their game through the ages.

The revealed religions are not against scientific progress and the economic uplift of a man; with that they improve man socially, morally, spiritually; very important faculties of man. Nothing bad about it; no harm intended.

The present strife of the so called terrorists and the rulers of some countries is just politics. No revealed religions support it. Please don’t let them nourish from the Scriptures; the Scriptures don’t support them. Expose them that they are not supported by the Scriptures. Let them wane away.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks
 
islam…the religion of peace, is at it again in India. Americans and Brits are being sought as hostages by muslim missionaries. 😦
You know people of many faiths have committed evil acts throughout the ages. No fair picking on just the Muslims.
 
I wrote a post titled “A misconception 'Muslims must fight Jews ’ clarified”:forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4474283&postcount=24

Due to the importance of the subject, I thought, I should start a new thread.

Hi

It is just a misconception of our friend Euharisted that:

Quran is the primary source of guidance for Muslims. Islam/Quran/Muhammad are peaceful and humanitarian, there are no instructions in Quran to kill Jews indiscriminately and for nothing.

At least I don’t see any.

Islam is not a racial oriented religion and is not against any race/color/nation and respects every human being. It is only against the wrong concepts.

Please quote from Quran to establish your viewpoint.
I think it were not the Muslims who did the holocaust.

The Second Coming 1835-1908 had refuted such misconceived thoughts; of the CatholicsProtestantsJWs and also of the TraditionalMuslims. In fact, the Advent of Second Coming was necessitated to eradicate such wrong thoughts about Religion. Please read the “introduction” of his book “Jesus in India”: alislam.org/library/books…dia/intro.html. I only give two excerpts from it:
  1. “I have written this book, so that, by adducing proofs from established facts, from conclusive historical evidence of proved value and from ancient documents of non-Muslims, I might remove the serious misconceptions which are current among Muslims and among most Christian sects regarding the earlier and the later life of Jesus (on whom be peace) - misconceptions, the dangerous implications of which have not only injured and destroyed the conception of Divine Unity, but the unwholesome and poisonous influence of which has for long been noticed in the morals of the Muslims of this country.
Spiritual maladies, i.e., want of good morals, evil thoughts, callousness, want of sympathy, are spreading among most Islamic sects, being the result of beliefs in unfounded stories and anecdotes of this kind. Human sympathy, pity and love of justice, humility and humble-mindedness - all good qualities - are disappearing day by day, as if they will soon bid a last farewell to this community. This callousness and this immorality make many a Muslim appear no better than the beasts of the jungle.

A Jain or a Buddhist is afraid of and avoids killing even a mosquito or a flea, but, alas! there are many among us Muslims who, while they kill an innocent man or commit wanton murder, are not afraid of the powerful God, who rates human life higher than that of all the animals. What is this callousness and cruelty and want of sympathy due to? It is due to this - that from their very childhood, stories and anecdotes and wrong views of the doctrine of Jihad are dinned into their ears and inculcated into their hearts, the result being that gradually they become morally dead and cease to feel the heinousness of their hateful actions; nay, rather, the man who murders another man unawares and thus brings ruin to the murdered man’s family thinks that he has done a meritorious deed; or rather, that he has made the most of an opportunity to win favour with his community.” Unquote
  1. “Let it be known that most Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) went alive to the heavens; both these people have believed for a long time that Jesus (on whom be peace) is still alive in the heavens, and will sometime in the latter days come down to the earth. The difference in their views, i.e. the view of the followers of Islam and that of the Christians, is only this, that the Christians believe that Jesus (on whom be peace) died on the Cross, was resurrected, and went to the heavens in his earthly body, seated himself on the right hand of his Father, and will come to the earth in the latter days for judgment; they also say that the Creator and the Master of the world is this Jesus the Messiah and no one else; he it is who, in the latter days of the world, will descend to the earth with a glorious descent to award punishment and reward; then, all who will not believe in him or his mother as God, will be hauled up and thrown into hell, where weeping and wailing will be their lot.” Unquote
Thanks
Very interesting. I did not know that Muslims had such reverance for Jesus. God Bless you.
 
But what if that member was the actual founder of the faith? What if the faith was founded by a man who by all accounts killed (or ordered the killing of) many unarmed men; owned slaves; legalized sex slavery; had sex with a 9 year old, and admited that he once spoke for Satan? Does this allow us to dismiss the religion?
Goodness. I don’t believe these claims for a second. Is this Mohammed you’re talking about? JPII frequently spoke well of our Muslim brothers.
 
paarsurrey,

I praise you and your advocacy for peace. You are an excellent human, Muslim or not. I would say, that your peaceful attitude is verifably at odds with the teachings and life of your great prophet. Congratulations for rejecting his attitudes and adopting peace.
No sir, I don’t agree with you.

If you find me peaceful; I am totally indebted to the peaceful man that Muhammad was; only that the man has not been recognized by many. When did they recognize Krishna, Moses ,Jesus and Mary that they would recognize that great peaceful man Muhammad?Alas! the worldly people, they only deny.

God bless every body!

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks
 
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks
Hi Paarsurrey,
Quick question, how can you love things you really dont believe in?
I know islam believes Jesus and Mary existed, but as for other, lets just say, mystical beliefs, you seem to love those figures as well? How can this be when you dont believe in them?
 
Ralph, an innocent person is a one who has not killed any one, abused any one, troubled or fought against any one. It could also be considered as some one who has not disobeyed any law of the land.

By the word innocent is meant that person has been peaceful. I cannot say any more. He may belong to any faith, Jews, Hindus, Muslims or christians. Will you kindly give me your definition of the word “Innocent”. Thanks.
And, what is the definition of abused person, troubled person, or person who were fought against?
 
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Salaam/peace
What the Quran teaches and what some muslims preach are often two different things…
What about the Rabbis ? Do they always preach peace ?

“The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts”
“The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure.”

–Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine.html
 
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Salaam/peace

What about the Rabbis ? Do they always preach peace ?

“The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts”
“The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure.”

–Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine.html
Sura 5:60
Say, “Let me tell you who are worse in the sight of GOD: those who are condemned by GOD after incurring His wrath until He made them (as despicable as) monkeys and pigs, and the idol worshipers. These are far worse, and farther from the right path.”

Hmm…
 
Hi Paarsurrey,
Quick question, how can you love things you really dont believe in?
I know islam believes Jesus and Mary existed, but as for other, lets just say, mystical beliefs, you seem to love those figures as well? How can this be when you dont believe in them?
Hi

I will like you to access:alislam.org/library/links/existence_God.html
and read it. These are the teachings of **Second Coming **1835-1908 who was a metphoric heir of Buddha, Krishna,Zoroaster,Abraham,Moses,Jesus, Socrates and Muhammad. Later I may quote from his own words.

I just give two passages from the above article on alislam.org Ahamdia peaceful community’s official site:

1.All RELIGIONS BELIEVE IN GOD

Its an undeniable fact that all the religions on this earth claim to be from GOD. Hadhrat Muhammad (SAW), Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Baba Nanak and every religious leader taught people to believe and worship GOD. Although all religions have slight differences in the attributes they ascribe to God, but all the religions hold the common view that there is a God who has created this universe.

History tells us that even those ancient religions that no longer exist in this world, they also held the view of God, whether they were in ancient America, or in jungles of Africa or in England, or in Java or Sumatra, or in Japan and China or in Siberia or in India. It is an important point that what’s the reason for this thought provoking unity among so varied religions?

In the ancient times people were not linked together through any means of communication or transport, then how is it possible that people living in isolation thousands of mile away from each other, held the common view about the existence of God? Many of the lands were even not discovered at that time.Even now it is difficult for two persons to completely agree on any issue, then how come this universal unanimity regarding existence of God? All these facts lead us to the only possible conclusion that not only there is a living God but also that God has always manifested Himself through some means to his men to make them believe in Him.

Historians agree that if there is such universal unanimity about any issue then there is no reason to disagree with it. Another fact worth noting is that there have been a small number of atheists all the times, this proves that the ‘existence of God’ is not related to any psychological need of human beings. In this world, one can lead ones life without acknowledging the existence of God, though he will be attempting to close his eyes to the very obvious and clear truth.

2.WHO ARE THOSE WHO CALL PEOPLE TOWARDS GOD?

If we look at the life of all those men, who have called other people towards God, we find a surprising common thing about all of them, that they were very pious and righteous men. They were the people who were respected in their nations. They were true people, who spent their lives to guide people to the right path. They persuaded people to shun oppressing others. They taught to look after the poor and needy.

They fought all their life against the unjust rulers of the time. They were invariably opposed by the people in power at that time, although They were highly honoured and valued for the purity of their character, even by those who later, on the announcement of their claims, became their enemies. It is inconceivable that those who did not lie about men, began suddenly to lie about God. They were the people whose lives were exemplary for others.

Whether it is Indian Krishna, or Irani Zoroaster or Egyptian Moses, or Israelite Christ or Punjabi Baba Nanak, or Leader of the righteous Muhammad (SAW) who was given the title of Trustworthy by his nation from his very youth and who challenged his nation that he had led all of his life among them and Could they point out to any single lie or felony in his life? So all these righteous persons who came to this world at different times and places, all of them say one thing in common… “There is a GOD… There is a GOD…” Not only they claimed that there is a God but also they claimed that He talked to them.

One may find great philosophers or scholars in the world who have done great works, but their work cannot be compared to the work of those righteous persons. Actually if we study the lives of those philosophers we find that no great deeds compared to their lofty sayings. Why is it that these great philosophers were not able to exhibit that righteousness which was shown by people from GOD?

The people whose names I have mentioned above, all of them faced great hardships in the life due to their teachings but nothing could lead them astray from the true path. Their killings were planned, they were exiled from their homes and they were boycotted, but they never gave up their beliefs. Why did not they tell lie and relieve themselves from those hardships that were imposed on them just because of their true belief in God. Their lack of interest in material desires proves it that they were selfless people.

When such truthful and trustworthy people are saying it in unison, that they have met with God, they have listened His voice and they have experienced his manifestations, then it really leaves us with no doubt. Even in this material world the people whom we know that they are habitual liars, when they go to a court and speak something under an oath, they are believed, then why don’t we believe in those righteous persons?

Thanks
 
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Salaam/peace

What about the Rabbis ? Do they always preach peace ?

“The Arabs are Donkeys and Beasts”
“The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure.”

–Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]

One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1

Holocaust Museum: Israeli Holocaust Against Arabs
There are two main differences. Israel’s government and most jews condem such hateful speech and will often arrest a rabbi who speaks this way or even lable him a terrorist.

Second, these rabbis are not getting funding to spread their hatred to any extent that is even closely related to the radical islamists who are spreading hatred and inciting murder through schools and mosques throughout the world, thanks to our dependence on oil.
 
Ralph, an innocent person is a one who has not killed any one, abused any one, troubled or fought against any one. It could also be considered as some one who has not disobeyed any law of the land.

By the word innocent is meant that person has been peaceful. I cannot say any more. He may belong to any faith, Jews, Hindus, Muslims or christians. Will you kindly give me your definition of the word “Innocent”. Thanks.
That is not a bad definition. WE can work with it.

So, by this definition, the vast majority of Christians, Muslims, and Jews are innocents.

Now, does being a citizen of a nation automatically remove your innocence, per the Qur’an?
 
One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." – Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

Statements like the above help explain why so many Israeli’s are secular.

However, I haven’t been able to find anything on this rabbi other than the alleged quote. So I don’t know if it was actually said.

The vast majority of Jews would take issue with such a statemnet, and the Israeli gov’ernment itself would not support it.

The article in question generated a letter from Rabbi Alan W. Miller, Clinical Associate Prof. of Theology in Psychiatry, Cornell Medical College New York, March 1, 1994, printed by the Times in response to its report of the 28th. Rabbi Miller’s letter, dated March 1, 1994, was published in The Times’ letters column on the 9th of the same month, and reads:-

“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail,” said Rabbi Yaacov Perrin in his eulogy of Dr. Baruch Goldstein (news article, Feb. 28). The original Hebraic phraseology comes from the Midrash to Deuteronomy which, typically, elaborates on the sparse biblical description of the death of Moses. God informs Moses that He can either pardon the Israelites for having made the Golden Calf or permit Moses to enter the Promised Land, but not both, whereupon Moses immediately responds, “Let Moses and a thousand like him be destroyed but let not the fingernail of a single Israelite be harmed.” That the lunatic fringe of the ultra-orthodox distort the ethical humanism of all that is noblest in the Zionist dream is not enough. They also diabolically distort Jewish sacred texts out of all recognition. The question “Who is a Jew?” begins to assume unforeseen dimensions when “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.”

btw, I’ve yet to see this quote on one pro-judaism website. It seems to be making the rounds exclusively on “truth about Talmud” and “Holocaust against Islam” websites.
 
muslims. So this person sympathized with the act of terror. Here is what else the article had to say about the statement:

This condoning of mass killing has shocked and repulsed many Israelis, including Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. One funeral home in Jerusalem was reported to have refused to ritually prepare Dr. Goldstein’s body for burial.

Some officials said that sentiments like those expressed at the funeral, while decidedly a minority opinion among Israelis and hardly representative of all settlers, had contributed to the Government’s resolve almost as much as the desire to control the diplomatic damage and keep the Israeli-P.L.O. peace talks on track.

In a separate act of Israeli contrition, President Ezer Weizman came to Hebron today to pay condolence calls and to deplore an attack that he called “anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli.” Earlier, Mr. Weizman called the massacre “the worst thing that has happened to us in the history of Zionism.” Tactic Used Against Arabs

Arrest without formal charges has been a standard Israeli tactic against suspected Arab militants, and was even used against Rabbi Kahane himself in the 1970’s. But to have it applied in this way to several Israelis at once is a change. And Justice Minister David Libai said more settlers could be added to the list.

One of the five was already arrested and ordered held for three months, but the others are at large.

The Government also said that militant settlers – 20, according to some estimates – would have their guns taken away and others, perhaps 15, the Israel radio said, would be barred from entering the West Bank, especially Hebron. While the Government did not characterize this measure as a form of exile, it was similar to bans on entry into the territories long imposed on Palestinians.

The article goes on to tell how this incident led the Israeli Gov’t to seek ways of outlawing Khane – a Jew with similar sentimates who’s organization was eventually labled as a terrorist group by the Israeli Government.
 
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