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CTA1967
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Planten, Jesus said “the two shall become one flesh”. One plus one equals two.
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tommiatkins
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Well they would say that the bible has been corrupted and that Gods word in the bible simply isnt gods word at all.
I do find it interesting that Jesus approved of massacreing every male of a Tribe and then “marrying” the female survivors. I’m sure that the one month widows were consenting to the sex and in no way shape or form sex slaves under “Moses’s” commands.
The interesting bit is how these commandments suddenly changed. Jesus came not to change the law, but to “Fulfil” them. So he came to “Fulfil” the law of raping your POW’s after butchering noncombatant males. Hmm.
But then Christians are not under the laws of Yahweh, theyre under the laws of God/Jesus/Holy spirit.
This is either a completly seperate entity, or theres some domestics up in heaven with Jesus saying, “Hey! Myself! What do I mean by all these slaughtering, genocidal, slavery-rape laws? Come on! Have a word with myself…”
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inJESUS
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inJESUS
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like Adam and Eve. Maybe the Quran says Adam had a dozen wife who knows ( j/k)
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planten
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**You seem to be mis-informed. jesus had nothing to do with Deutronomy. We have similar orders in Islam, even better than that. There was famous christian (slave of the Jews ) who became Muslim in Madinah. He was told bythe prophet that he should settle some price and buy himself out of the Masters. The masters set a price and in addition, they said that the slave should plant 300 palm trees and lookafter them for one year until they bear fruit. It was agreed.
The prophet himself helped the person to plant the trees. They grew well and the person became free man.
It is also known that if a man uses a slave girl and she becomes pregnant, he cannot sell her. her child will also inherit in the property of the master. So there are many rules. The slave is to fed with the same food that the master eats and to wear the same clothes too.
The slaves of the Muslims can buy themselves free by agreement. They set a price and become free at once. Then they pay some money monthly from their own earnings as a free person. What could be better. I have not given all the details about the slaves yet.**
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tommiatkins
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Crikey! Sign me up!
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ralphinal
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I would say that the only way to make multiple marriages acceptable is if the original two become one include the third in the actual marriage act…wait, that is a major sin…so it must be two alone.
WHy does Islam not allow for multiple husbands?
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tommiatkins
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Patriarchical Theology.
It’s why the Anglicans are ripping each other to shreds right this week over female clergy and gays.
In Islam there are no female Imams, no female prophets, women are chattel, women worth 1/2 of a man, deficient in intelligence and religion.
Christianity has in the last 30 years some low ranked women clergy, but they are still chattel, property to be bought and to “go Unto” as the male wills (when they are “clean”). Still no female prophets and God is a “he”, Adam is the first creation, eve a second best and the cause of the “fall from grace”
To accept any organised religion as a woman you have to accept a permenant second class citizen status. Weird then that theism has more females than males worshipping the sexist gods that *man *created.
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Isa_Almisry
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Of course, not. Since Islam law mandates it, you have no defense, because it’s not the problem of not folllowing the law (like the wayward Christians you keep bringing up) but the law itself.
Interesting, we are supposed to focus on these upright Muslims (though I’ve not seen them pointed out, except 1) that the “bad” muslims are pointed out as not being them, and 2) no doubt a number of posters like Sister Amy, taken her at her word, is one of the upright) but we’re supposed to ignore those Christians who actually folllow Christ.
The “Christians” you speak of act in spite of Christ.
The Muslims I speak of act because of Muhammad.
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Isa_Almisry
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And what is this, in light of the New Testament?
I’ll note though, even by OT (and Jewish) standards, it’s still above Isalm in that 1) she is allowed to mourn her family 2) you have to wait to see if she is pregnant with someone else’s child (the reason for the month, mouring doesn’t usually last that long) 3) you have to MARRY her, 4) put her up in your house (not slave quarters) before having her 5) if you divorce, you have to let her go. You can’t sell her off, or put her back in the slave quarters.
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wanner47
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As a woman, I find these statements ridiculous and absolutely without merit.
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Isa_Almisry
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Since you brought it up, and speak Arabic: what’s the term for the man who has to marry the woman again? Is it the same term for the men who do this as a job? It’s been a while since I’ve been in Egypt and I can’t for the life of me remember the word, but I know we have one.
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Isa_Almisry
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Don’t you mean “sell me out.”
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inJESUS
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yes there is one, and i wanted to reply to you as soon as you asked about it previously, but i was reluctant since the word used here is maybe a Lebanese dialect rather than a fusha word. Anyway the word is “mhallal”…is it the same in Egyptian dialect?
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Isa_Almisry
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not to mention a physical stretch, and from the viewpoint of conception, a physical impossibility.
Hmmmm. Most people I know have two parents only. Even in Islam, the woman is supposed to observe iddah and wait to see who’s daddy. If she’s pregnant, a divorce is null and void.
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Well, what about it Planten?
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inJESUS
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the mhallal is the “other” man a woman marries before going back to her first husband. The bridge so to speak.
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Isa_Almisry
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Btw, this is not the case in the Orthodox Church (the more females part. I’m ignoring the rest of the rant).
Please go tell the Protestants. They think the Catholics worship Mary.
Female prophets. Even Islam has them.
Btw, who’s the head of the Anglican Church?
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inJESUS
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i guess one of the reasons is that it reduces child birth in addition to confusion as to the father’s identity.
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tommiatkins
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As I say, JesusYahweh must have been having some pretty harsh words with himself about his own laws.And what is this, in light of the New Testament?
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“Blimey! Thats a harsh law,me. Why the dickens did i do that? The next time I make a genocidal rape law, Im going to really get angry with myself”
It’s almost as if God himself was slowly falling into line with human values
(Human values of AD 100 anyway)
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