Islam

[inJESUS]

There are several Hadith that agree with the Quran in supporting the truthfulness of the Bible. Here are a few of those Hadith.

Ibn Abbas on the corruption of Scripture.

Ibn Abbas was Muhammad’s relative. He was one of a special group of Muslims known as the “Companions”. He is regarded as one of the great scholars in Islamic History.

A traditional statement (Hadith) of his is presented below. It is taken from Sahih Bukhari’s collection of Hadith, volume 9, as a footnote between 642, and 643. This note is a comment on the Quran 4:46 and 85:21, 22

“They corrupt the word” means “they alter or change its meaning.” Yet no one is able to change even a single word from any Book of God. The meaning is that they interpret the word wrongly. … and he continues to speak about how the Qur’an is preserved …]

This is the commentary of Abdullah Ibn Abbas, one of the Sahaba (companions) and Mohammed’s cousin. His opinions, because he is a Sahabi (companion) are held to be above the opinions and commentaries of all other Sheikhs who are not Sahaba. Since Ibn Abbas’ above reference to “They corrupt the word” quotes part of Sura 4:46, it is not only a commentary on Sura 85:22, but also on the meaning of the Quranic charge against the Jews of corrupting the scriptures. This strongly confirms the results of various investigations of the passages in the Qur’an that speak about the earlier scriptures and their textual integrity and continuing authority.

Bukhari 4.829

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, “Lift your hand.” When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, “I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones.”

The above Hadith confirms that the Torah existed during Muhammad’s time and that he had confidence in it. There was no worry about corruption. Instead, Muhammad chose to use it as a credible source.

Bukhari 6.12

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people of the Scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah’s Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- “We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us.” (2.136)

Here again the Torah was being recited and taught in Arabic, and in public. When Muhammad addressed this, he did not say anything about corruption. He had doubts about whether or not the Jews were being honest in teaching the truth of what they were interpreting.

 

[inJESUS]

Proof from the Quran, Sura 7:156-157:

"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM

a clear proof the Torah and Gospel at mohammads time were true.

 

[Justice2006]

Mr. inJesus,

It is you who raised the issue of Dead Sea Scrolls and you was claiming that “the New Testament books were widely distributed as soon as they were written”…etc…etc…

If you had sticked to the topic of this thread I would not have showed you the door to the BBC’s article which demolished the very foundation of all of your claims because your claims are hollow and nonsensical.
Your way of debating and your non-sensical attitude will never convince any sincere truth seeker.

 

[inJESUS]

Mr. inJesus,

It is you who raised the issue of Dead Sea Scrolls

and you was claiming that “the New Testament books were widely distributed as soon as they were written”…etc…etc… you did not respond to the fact that the DSS attest to the truth of the OT we have today…and your quote does not refute the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to change the Bible that was written in different languages in different countries…it only attacked St. Paul.

Here is a muslim scholars’ same response:
Muhammad 'Abduh (Egypt)

        Another example of a Muslim who agrees that the Bible is not corrupted is the Egyptian scholar, Muhammad 'Abduh. In regards to alleged biblical corruption, he notes that the "charge of corruption of the Biblical texts makes no sense at all. It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those. (Jacques Jomier, "Jesus, The Life of the Messiah", page 216, [19])

 

[inJESUS]

Mr. inJesus,

It is you who raised the issue of Dead Sea Scrolls

and you was claiming that “the New Testament books were widely distributed as soon as they were written”…etc…etc… you did not respond to the fact that the DSS attest to the truth of the OT we have today…and your quote does not refute the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to change the Bible that was written in different languages in different countries…it only attacked St. Paul.

Here is a muslim scholars’ same response:
Muhammad 'Abduh (Egypt)

        Another example of a Muslim who agrees that the Bible is not corrupted is the Egyptian scholar, Muhammad 'Abduh. In regards to alleged biblical corruption, he notes that the "charge of corruption of the Biblical texts makes no sense at all. It would not have been possible for Jews and Christians everywhere to agree on changing the text. Even if those in Arabia had done it, the difference between their book and those. (Jacques Jomier, "Jesus, The Life of the Messiah", page 216, [19])

the Quran itself states that God would make sure that the Bible would be protected from corruption:

“We have, without doubt sent down THE MESSAGE (Zhikra); And We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” [S. 15:9 - Y. Ali]

That this includes the Holy Bible is made clear in the following citations: “And before thee We sent none but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess THE MESSAGE (Zhikri).” [S. 16:43 - Y. Ali]

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

Proof from the Quran, Sura 7:156-157:

"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM

a clear proof the Torah and Gospel at mohammads time were true.

Mr. inJesus,

As usual you misqouted the verses of the Koran, from bias misssionary websites such as answering-islam.com. These deceptive sites are meant to deceive people like you who either are IGNORANT or love to remain in their IGNORANCE.

Mr. inJesus, KNOW your IGNORANCE and IGNORE what you KNOW.!!

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Now, here is what the Koranic Verses say:

""And ordain for us that which is good, in this life and in the Hereafter: for we have turned unto Thee." He said: "With My punishment I visit whom I will; but My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;- ( The Noble Quran, 7:156 )

""Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." * ( The Noble Quran, 7:157 )*

We Muslims never declared that the entire Bible is not from GOD Almighty. We declare that the Bible is mixed between GOD Almighty’s Holy Words and man’s alterations and innovations, which makes the entire Bible corrupt/doubtful. The Noble Quran makes a clear mention about this. Allah Almighty clearly declared this:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. * (The Noble Quran, 2:77-78) *

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say “We believe” with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee.
They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, ‘If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!’ If any one’s trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God’s will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)

Here is a Hadith:

Narrated Ubaidullah: “Ibn 'Abbas said, “Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah’s Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, ‘It is from Allah,’ to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!” * (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur’an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)” *​

Mr. inJesus,
Before criticising or raising questions on Islam and beliefs of Muslims, FIRST you need to know what Islam is from Islamic perspective/point of view and then compare it with your various thousands of denominations, cults and sects’ views/teachings…then come here and debate/argue with the Muslims about Islam if you want your words to taken seriously by the sincere truth-seekers/debaters.
Until then your google(ing) and efforts of copying-pasting deceptive material from bias anti-Islam missionaries’ websites/books can only make you look foolish in the eyes of learned and sincere truth-seekers. They will only laugh at your cheap ignorant apporach thats why I told you earlier that you are a disgrace and bad name to your faith/denomination.

 

[inJESUS]

Bro, i showed you that mohammad attested to the Bible within his hands…do you agree that the Bible at mohammads time was correct? didnt the aya i gave prove that allah preserved the Bible?

i gave you muslim interpretations which say it is not a textual corruption because God does not change his words, but a misinterpretation. What do you think? did Jews and Christians conspire to change the whole Bible in all the different languages and in all the countries? if yes, why did allah allow people to change his words when he himself says he preserves them?

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

Bro, i showed you that mohammad attested to the Bible within his hands…do you agree that the Bible at mohammads time was correct? didnt the aya i gave prove that allah preserved the Bible?

You qouted the aya out of context and ignore the whole concept of the Koran and the Ahadith and the views of all Muslims since first century.

Here is again what the Koranic Verses say:

""And ordain for us that which is good, in this life and in the Hereafter: for we have turned unto Thee." He said: "With My punishment I visit whom I will; but My mercy extendeth to all things. That (mercy) I shall ordain for those who do right, and practise regular charity, and those who believe in Our signs;- ( The Noble Quran, 7:156 )

""Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper." * ( The Noble Quran, 7:157 )*

We Muslims never declared that the entire Bible is not from GOD Almighty. We declare that the Bible is mixed between GOD Almighty’s Holy Words and man’s alterations and innovations, which makes the entire Bible ** corrupt/doubtful **. The Noble Quran makes a clear mention about this. Allah Almighty clearly declared this:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. * (The Noble Quran, 2:77-78) *

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say “We believe” with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee.
They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, ‘If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!’ If any one’s trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God’s will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)

Here is a Hadith:

Narrated Ubaidullah: “Ibn 'Abbas said, “Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah’s Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, ‘It is from Allah,’ to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!” * (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur’an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)” *​

Mr. inJesus,
Read my posts before re-posing your same questions.

 

[freesoulhope]

Justice2006:

Mr.inJesus, your questions are in Red and my reply is in Black:

Jesus’ crucifixion according to quran
It is only God who knows the exact past happenings. Thus He informed in the Koran that those who tried to crucify and kill
Koran is from the same God who sent His Revelations to the previous Prophets of God (may God’s peace be upon them all).

Prophet Jesus (pbuh) have no certain knowledge, it was only appeared to them so. In fact they killed him not.

Now when you read Biblical narrations, you will find contradictory ]

in what prophesy, in what written book or in the old testement, do you get this information? What is Written in the old testement, or in the writtings of moses do you find any link between what you have just written above, and what is in scripture? Why would God tell muhhamed anything, When he can correct his own preists and people who he sent in to the world to preach the message of God, and who had lead on to there own undestanding. He achieved correction through Jesus Christ. He for filled a prophesy, thats how we know he is trully the messiah, the prophesys that God gives us, helps us to define between false profits and true ones. God himself warns if any one should preach to you a different Gospel, do not believe them, if an angel should come and tell anything different from what i have said, do not believe them. So What prophesy does muhammed forfill? the God you speak of is not the same God of isreal!. I cannot give you any more posts, i have been warned, and i agree that you should go to a different thread or make another thread if you want to know about the teachings of the Catholic church. God bless you and peace be with you.

 

[inJESUS]

Now, here is what the Koranic Verses say:

""Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper."

• ( The Noble Quran, 7:157 )*[/INDENT]Bro, where is the book that mentions about mohammad? why did allah allow that such an important book disappear when he himself says he preserves it?

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them ****

illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. * (The Noble Quran, 2:77-78) * bro, do you see the boldened part? “there are among them”…he did not say : all of them, but some of them…and the hadith clearly shows that mohammad rebuked some of them, those who tried to hide the truth by false interpretations, not all of them…do you agree?

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say “We believe” with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews
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,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee.
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[inJESUS]

“We have, without doubt sent down THE MESSAGE (Zhikra); And We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” [S. 15:9 - Y. Ali]

That this includes the Holy Bible is made clear in the following citations: “And before thee We sent none but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess THE MESSAGE (**Zhikri).” ** [S. 16:43 - Y. Ali]

do you agree that allah says he preserves the Bible?

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

Bro, where is the book that mentions about mohammad? why did allah allow that such an important book disappear when he himself says he preserves it?

Mr. inJesus,
You should ask this question to your own Church authorities instead of blaming Allah (The God) for your (Christian) own errors and horrible mistakes.

Here are some answers from your Catholic Catechism, which may increase your knowledge of your own Church view:

Question 4. Are there in the Bible any books whose inspiration was doubted by some for a time?

Yes, the Second Epistle of St Peter, the Epistle to the Hebrews, and the Apocalypse.

Question 5. Are there any books not found in the Bible today which for a time were thought by some to be inspired?

**Yes, namely the “Gospel of St. James,” the “Gospel of St. Thomas,” the “Acts of St. Paul,” amongst many others. **

Question 6. What happened to these books once thought to be inspired?

They were rejected as spurious. It does not mean necessarily that these books are bad; it simply means that they are not part of the Bible because they were not inspired by the Holy Ghost; they are what we Catholics call “Apocrypha” or “Apocryphal books.” The Protestants erroneously give the name “Apocrypha” to the Deutero-Canonical books.

Question 7. What does this attitude of the Church prove?

This attitude proves, amongst other things, that the Church sifts everything carefully before approving or rejecting.
From: drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson7 ]

Thanks for reading your own Catechism.

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[inJESUS]

If you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto you then ask those who have been reading the Book from before you…

why would allah give you this commandmant if he knew the Bible is corrupt or will be corrupt?

1. Say: “O People of the Book! you have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Law the Gospel and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.”…

At the time allah gave this revelation, is it possible that the Bible was corrupt?

"I come to **confirm ** the Torah which preceded me...": will mohammad confirm something corrupt?

Ali - 3:78

78. There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues; (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book but it is no part of the Book; and they say “That is from Allah” but it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah and (well) they know it!

Again, Muhammad implicitly testified to the integrity of the Scriptures in the above passage. What Muhammad criticized is people reading the valid Scriptures, but deliberately mispronouncing the words (distorting the word with their tongues). Since the Arabs were mostly illiterate, they could not read the Scriptures, so the Jews were free to mislead the Muslims or others as to what the real Word of God actually said. Here, Muhammad admits those Scriptures were God’s Word, but he states that they were being presented inaccurately.

 

[inJESUS]

Mr. inJesus,
You should ask this question to your own Church authorities instead of blaming Allah (The God) for your (Christian) own errors and horrible mistakes.

bro, but allah said he preserves his words…

Here are some answers from your Catholic Catechism, which may increase your knowledge of your own Chuch view:

Question 4. Are there in the Bible any books whose inspiration was doubted by some for a time

?
Yes, the Second Epistle of St Peter, the Epistle to the Hebrews, and the Apocalypse.

Question 5. Are there any books not found in the Bible today which for a time were thought by some to be inspired?
**Yes, namely the “Gospel of St. James,” the “Gospel of St. Thomas,” the “Acts of St. Paul,” amongst many others. **

Question 6. What happened to these books once thought to be inspired?
They were rejected as spurious. It does not mean necessarily that these books are bad; it simply means that they are not part of the Bible because they were not inspired by the Holy Ghost; they are what we Catholics call “Apocrypha” or “Apocryphal books.” The Protestants erroneously give the name “Apocrypha” to the Deutero-Canonical books.

Question 7. What does this attitude of the Church prove?
This attitude proves, amongst other things, that the Church sifts everything carefully before approving or rejecting.
From: drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson7 ]

Thanks for reading your own Catechism.

. although it is irrelevant, but the Bible was not written as a book by God or preserved on a heavenly tablet…the Bible is a testimony of faith from those who lived with Jesus…John himself said that the books of the world cannot fit what Jesus said and did…and yes there are apocryphal bibles written in the second century on…mohamad quoted the passage of the baby Jesus talking from the Infancy Aprocryphal bible . All thse books are here for anyone…the Church has nothing to hide.

 

[Justice2006]

Mr. inJesus,
One question at a time. You are running like a bullet with your google(ing) and copying-pasting from bias deceptive missionaries websites such as answering-islam.com.
I too can copy-paste ALL replies from **answering-christianity.com ** but this will only waste the web-space of your forum and you may not really learn anything.

My advice to you is, FIRST know Islam from the Islamic perspective, STARTING from the basics/fundamentals …step by step.

Once you learn what Islam is from the Islamic point-view, hopefully you never pose these basless questions by misqouting the Koranic verses/Ahadith out of context. If you are a sincere truth-seeker you will even embrace Islam once Islam is in front of you in it’s own perspective.

You are using a flawed logic of showing me that Koran/Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) somehow attested the “authenticity” of your Bible. This logic is laughable because Muslims declare that the Bible is mixed between GOD Almighty’s Holy Words and man’s alterations and innovations, which makes the entire **Bible corrupt/doubtful **.

The Koran is Last and Final Revelation meant for whole mankind. After it’s emergence, all previous Revelations of God are meaningless as they were:

1. Not meant for whole mankind.
2. The followers of the previous Prophets of God, did not preserve their Books in pure form.
   This does not mean that from A to Z of their books was wrong. Not keeping proper in pure form makes the entire Bible corrupt and doubtful.

You are keep misqouting verses from the Koran. What Koran had promised to keep/preserve is the Last Final Dhikr (The Koran).

If you only read the whole context of verses that you are misqouting and keep the commentry and Islamic perspective in your mind, you will never pose such baseless questions.

 

[inJESUS]

Bro, please do take your time in responding to the specific verses i gave and the general questions i asked.

As for me converting to Islam, thats impossible because i do not believe in its morality and i dont believe it is from God but most importantly because i know my Lord Jesus…i know him personally…i even see him…i have absolutly 0% doubt as who my Lord and Saviour is.

 

[Justice2006]

inJESUS:

bro, but allah said he preserves his words…

Yes, indeed what was necessary and usefull for the mankind is PRESEVED by Allah (the God) in His Last and Final Revelation, called The Koran, which is meant for whole mankind.

Once all necessary and usefull information is included and **preserved in the Koran ** and has reached to us properly, there is no need to look back the Bible which is corrupted by the followers of previous Prophets of God.

Where in the Koran, Allah said that he will preserve the corrupted text of the Bible as word of God?

Christiandom has been keep editing Bible for centuries by adding/removing books upon books, chapters upon chapters and verses upon verses. No two so-called “original” manscripts of the Bible are alike. There is no original message of Jesus Christ in his own mother tongue. You don’t even know what was the proper name of God nor the so-called “inspired” writers of the books of the Gospel. Most of these “inspired” writers are still UNKNOWN. You have no idea who you are actually following.

Now, here are some Questions and answers from your catholic Catechism:

Question 11. Does the Bible then, not contain all Christian revelation?
**No, and it was never intended that it should. **

Question 12. What proof do we have that the Bible does not contain the complete Deposit of Faith?
**There is the fact that Christ commissioned His Apostles to “Preach and teach” (Mt. 28, 19), whereas no mention of “Writing” is found; furthermore, the Gospel was widely spread before a single word of the New Testament was ever written. **

Question 13. What further Scriptural proof have we that the Bible does not contain the complete Deposit of Faith?
**The words of St. John that conclude his Gospel, “But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written” (Jn. 21, 25).

1. What view do Protestants hold about the Deposit of Faith?
   Protestants hold that all things necessary for salvation are found in the Bible. To quote Luther: “The Bible and the Bible only.” **
2. Do Protestants ignore Tradition?
   **Totally, and in this they are illogical, for it is by Tradition that we know what the Bible contains. **
3. What is the Catholic view of the Bible and Tradition?
   That, while the Bible is the chief source, it is neither the only nor the original source of our knowledge of Revelation.
   drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson7 ]

 

[inJESUS]

You are using a flawed logic of showing me that Koran/Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) somehow attested the “authenticity” of your Bible. This logic is laughable because Muslims declare that the Bible is mixed between GOD Almighty’s Holy Words and man’s alterations and innovations, which makes the entire **Bible corrupt/doubtful **

. bro am not talking about muslims, i’m quoting mohammads words…i already showed you that he said “some” not all…and i showed you that mohammad himself confirmed the Bible and was even asked by allah to refer to the Bible is he were in doubt…so how come allah asks mohammad or muslims to refer to a corrupt book?

The Koran is Last and Final Revelation meant for whole mankind. After it’s emergence, all previous Revelations of God are meaningless as they were:

meaningless? but mohammad came to confirm them and was asked to read them if in doubt…you believe in all the prophets so in all their teachings hence all are meaningful or not?

1. The followers of the previous Prophets of God, did not preserve their Books in pure form.
   This does not mean that from A to Z of their books was wrong. Not keeping proper in pure form makes the entire Bible corrupt and doubtful.[/INDENT]

but read this again :

“We have, without doubt sent down THE MESSAGE (Zhikra); And We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” [S. 15:9 - Y. Ali]

That this includes the Holy Bible is made clear in the following citations: “And before thee We sent none but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess THE MESSAGE (Zhikri).” [S. 16:43 - Y. Ali]

allah is clearly saying that he will preserve the zhikr ; the zhikr belongs to those “before thee”. So either zhizr refers to both, quran and scripture or only to Bible…in either cases, both are preserved.

You are keep misqouting verses from the Koran. What Koran had promised to keep/preserve is the Last Final Dhikr (The Koran).

above. But if you insist, then you are accusing of allah of discrimination and of being not omnipotent and a deceiver.

 

[inJESUS]

Yes, indeed what was necessary

and usefull for the mankind is PRESEVED by Allah (the God) in His Last and Final Revelation, called The Koran, which is meant for whole mankind.

Once all necessary and usefull information is included and **preserved in the Koran ** and has reached to us properly, there is no need to look back the Bible which is corrupted by the followers of previous Prophets of God.

Where in the Koran, Allah said that he will preserve the corrupted text of the Bible as word of God? i showed you were…so you mean the quran at mohammads time was corrupt? please answer by yes/no.

The rest of your post is answered already but what yu quote clearly proves that the Church is very careful about the word of God…the things you are readig are the work of thousands of scholars since the early Church fathers till now…

If you have more questions, open a new thread.

 

[Justice2006]

The following Questions and answers are from Catholic Catechism:

Question 1. Is there a Catholic translation of the Bible in English?
**Yes, it is the translation known as the Douay-Rheims Version. It was translated from the Latin Vulgate. **

Question 2. Why is it called “Douay-Rheims”?
Because it was begun at Rheims and finished at Douay in 1582-1609 by a group of English priests exiled in France.

Question 3. What happened in the sixteenth century to cause the publication of a reliable and accurate translation?
**During the Protestant “Deformation” in England many false translations had been made, hence there was great necessity of placing in the hands of Catholics a reliable and accurate translation. **

Question 4. Is it true that the Bible was never translated into vernacular languages before the Protestant Deformation?
**It is not true; the first translation known in England was the translation into Anglo-Saxon made by Venerable Bede in the eighth century. There is a Gothic translation, made by a certain bishop Ulfilas around 380. The first German translation predates [Martin] Luther by a good fifty years. **

Question 5. Why do Protestants assert that the Bible was never translated before the Deformation?
**Through a mixture of ignorance and bad faith. **

Question 6. What is the most well known of the false English Protestant translations?
**It is the version called the “King James,” named after the King who commissioned it in 1604. It was finished in 1611. It is still the most popular of the Protestant Bibles in the English speaking world. **

Question 7. What is wrong with the “King James” version?
**Like all the Protestant Bibles, it is incomplete and poorly translated. It is a “Pick and choose” version. Such is the real lack of respect of the “Reformers” for the word of God! **

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