Islamaphobia?

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So the Church teaches that we are “brothers and sisters” to only certain people and not all people because everyone was created by God? Please do tell.:rolleyes:

Also, pretty sure the OP didn’t mention anything about Heaven.
I sincerely doubt that I could consider myself a sister of a person who has beheaded my child. There may be a few saints out there that could but I am not one of them.
 
In the wake of ISIS and other instances of radical Islam, how can Catholics make sure we don’t develop Islamaphobia toward our Muslim brothers and sisters? And I mean genuine Islamaphobia, not the kind that the secular culture rattles on about that amounts to anything that isn’t unquestionable acceptance of anything different.
This forum even has rules against posts that incite this kind of thing.

Though in a scan of the World News subforum, there are often threads reporting on things various men of the Catholic cloth have said on Islam being a dangerous threat to the entire world and such things aren’t considered Islamaphobic. Sure they’re often said by priests and bishops who have seen such terrorism firsthand like in Mosul, but justification is a tricky thing. I’m sure similar feelings about, say, the Japanese sprung up after the Imperialistic conquest of the Pacific and the Attack on Pearl Harbor. And look at how Japanese-American were treated after that.

The Cathechism also says there’s a special place in God’s Plan of Salvation for Muslims, that they too claim to worship the God of Abraham as we do and that God loves them with His Unconditional Everlasting Love as their Creator.

How can we know when the Enemy is starting to sew seeds of hate within us and trying to justify it as “They hate you, why not return the sentiment?” Because that’s just evil and not Christlike at all. 😦
I don’t think about Muslims at all. When I used to live in California I saw a few Muslim women. Five of them walked by my friends and I calling us some names. We did nothing in return because as Caucasian girls we would have been prejudice to respond like these Muslim women.
I don’t like people who are overly PC. I dislike the Caucasian women who’s first words to my daughter are, “I am not racist.”
I have felt first hand the hate some Muslim women have for women, not just American women. It is uncomfortable, scary, and nerve rattling to be so hated by a stranger in passing.
Still I know those women want the freedom and fall back on what’s familiar.
I stay away and live my life. I am sure Christians and Muslims alike have people who just want to control as well as those who only want to live their lives in peace?
I have no time for Islamaphobia.
I am still trying to tell my daughter her teacher is wrong, so her cat will go to heaven.
 
Oldcatholicguy,

This pro Muslim website claims 7% are extremists…

encounteringislam.org/misconceptions

I’m guessing that’s underestimated. So 10% is probably about right.
Thank you, I stand corrected. I would have assumed it was closer to 1-3%.

Zoltan- You were right, it appears to be around 10% of the Muslim population hold or support extremist views.
 
I sincerely doubt that I could consider myself a sister of a person who has beheaded my child. There may be a few saints out there that could but I am not one of them.
I sincerely doubt any parent would have any easy time considering themselves a brother or sister of someone who murders their child, regardless of the murderer’s faith. But, that still doesn’t change Church teachings regarding how we are to view and treat everyone.
 
I think the current pope has it right, and his predecessor had it right, and his predecessor had it right, that it’s not useful to castigate Islam or Muslims per se, because doing so would only provoke misunderstanding and anger, deepen entrenchment into religious and ethnic separation, and do absolutely nothing to further the cause of peace.

There are certain voices within Catholicism that are of a different opinion: You find them on Catholic media, pointing out example after example of Muslim violence, and blaming the media for not telling “the truth” about Islam. Moreover, they blame the media’s “soft” stance on Islam as somehow abetting the violence and encouraging it to continue.

I don’t agree with such a view, mainly because in trying to envision what would happen if the critics had their way and a full scale “truth bomb” was laid on Islam by the pope, the NYT, and all other media outlets. If that happened, the Muslim world would react…how? I’ll leave it to the reader to do this thought exercise and come to his own conclusions about the likely effectiveness of a wholesale rebuke of Islam on producing positive results.

I also it a bit ironic that those who call for “telling-off” Islam are generally the same people who are hyper-sensitive to any criticism of their own religion as an “attack.”
 
Thank you, I stand corrected. I would have assumed it was closer to 1-3%.

Zoltan- You were right, it appears to be around 10% of the Muslim population hold or support extremist views.
Thank you oldcatholicguy. I used that figure because it seemed logical.

I take no pleasure in “winning this point” because I find it very worrisome. 10% of 1.6 BILLION Muslims…equals a LOT of extremists. AND they live amongst us.
 
Thank you oldcatholicguy. I used that figure because it seemed logical.

I take no pleasure in “winning this point” because I find it very worrisome. 10% of 1.6 BILLION Muslims…equals a LOT of extremists. AND they live amongst us.
And yet so many people engage in mental gymnastics to deny a link between the Muslim extremist’s beliefs and their violence. They label acts of terrorism as “workplace violence”. The media will sometimes refer to recent Muslim converts who commit violence by their old name, not their new Muslim legal name. They try to say that “all religions have their extremists”, yet deny the sheer numbers of those within Islam who preach violence. A lot of people have their heads buried in the sand on this subject.
 
I think the current pope has it right, and his predecessor had it right, and his predecessor had it right, that it’s not useful to castigate Islam or Muslims per se, because doing so would only provoke misunderstanding and anger, deepen entrenchment into religious and ethnic separation, and do absolutely nothing to further the cause of peace.

There are certain voices within Catholicism that are of a different opinion: You find them on Catholic media, pointing out example after example of Muslim violence, and blaming the media for not telling “the truth” about Islam. Moreover, they blame the media’s “soft” stance on Islam as somehow abetting the violence and encouraging it to continue.

I don’t agree with such a view, mainly because in trying to envision what would happen if the critics had their way and a full scale “truth bomb” was laid on Islam by the pope, the NYT, and all other media outlets. If that happened, the Muslim world would react…how? I’ll leave it to the reader to do this thought exercise and come to his own conclusions about the likely effectiveness of a wholesale rebuke of Islam on producing positive results.

I also it a bit ironic that those who call for “telling-off” Islam are generally the same people who are hyper-sensitive to any criticism of their own religion as an “attack.”
I agree.

There are enough extremists as it is, babbling about how evil Islam is will only serve to give credence to radical claims that Christians are the enemy of Islam.

On the subject of radical Islam, let’s put it in historical context. Not too long ago Catholics and Protestants were slaughtering each other and engaging in religious wars. Now there is relative peace between Protestants and Catholics. Who’s to say the same won’t happen with Islam?

England was holding priest hunts, burning people at the stake, drawing and quartering ect. In Ireland people were killed and persecuted for their faith until quite recently. Again, the same sorts of things radical Islamists do.

Declaring “war on Islam” (that classy Michelle Bachmann’s idea) won’t help us spread Christ’s truth to Muslims.
 
I agree.

There are enough extremists as it is, babbling about how evil Islam is will only serve to give credence to radical claims that Christians are the enemy of Islam.

On the subject of radical Islam, let’s put it in historical context. Not too long ago Catholics and Protestants were slaughtering each other and engaging in religious wars. Now there is relative peace between Protestants and Catholics. Who’s to say the same won’t happen with Islam?

England was holding priest hunts, burning people at the stake, drawing and quartering ect. In Ireland people were killed and persecuted for their faith until quite recently. Again, the same sorts of things radical Islamists do.

Declaring “war on Islam” (that classy Michelle Bachmann’s idea) won’t help us spread Christ’s truth to Muslims.
Placing it in context also needs to include the comparison on how each faith handles the issue of the just and unjust application of violence, just and unjust discrimination, the secular world, and how to deal with people of other faiths. When using a comparison of what one individual or group of people of one faith did to what one individual or group of people of another faith did, one needs to also examine the theological foundations of their actions.
 
Placing it in context also needs to include the comparison on how each faith handles the issue of the just and unjust application of violence, just and unjust discrimination, the secular world, and how to deal with people of other faiths. When using a comparison of what one individual or group of people of one faith did to what one individual or group of people of another faith did, one needs to also examine the theological foundations of their actions.
How shall we name this movement extremist movement? Jihadist - radical Islamists?

We should, at least, be able to give a name to an extensive military machine that is out to destroy Western Civilization.
 
How shall we name this movement extremist movement? Jihadist - radical Islamists?

We should, at least, be able to give a name to an extensive military machine that is out to destroy Western Civilization.
-Islamic extremists works just fine since they are extremists who justify their actions by their faith.
-That said, I fail to see how your above has anything to do with my point, which was dealing with the fallacy of trying to use “well X group did similar in the past and eventually they stopped” as an argument position. This argument positions assumes that Christian extremists and bad actors of the past and Islamic extremists of today share a similar theological foundation for justifying their actions. This is not the case as Christianity and Islam differ in regards to teachings of the just application of force/violence, warfare, and co-existence with those of different faiths.
-“Extensive military machine” implies a level of cohesion, organization, aims, and military hardware among Islamic extremists that only exists in the movies and in the minds of some talk radio hosts.
 
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