Islamic Prophecy

[Angelos]

Sorry, but I didn’t see the country. Which one was it?

FYI-Turkey represses Islam as well.

And…“infidel” is a latin word. It has no equivalent in Arabic.

If Turkey repressed Islam, there would not be more mosques than schools in that country now. If I were you, I would do some research on Turkish history before repeating the lies of fundamentalist Muslims.

No one claims that Mohammed’s bible contains only Arabic words. Read it in the original language and see how many words Mohammed’s scribes borrowed from different languages. If infidel has no equivalent in Arabic, will this also mean that Christian Arabs are actually peaceful Muslims???

Please check what KAFIR means

 

[jack_hawkins]

The Quran is pretty explicit about being peaceful to your neighbors. It’s a most repeated theme-don’t harm people who haven’t harmed you

you ignore two things - that the Koran also explicitly says to kill infidels in the later verses that abrogate the former, and that Islam has a very wide interpretation of oppressors, pretty well anyone that does anything Muslims don’t like! democratically elected govt that gets rid of brutal dictator killing Muslims? Oppressors

 

[pro_universal]

you ignore two things - that the Koran also explicitly says to kill infidels in the later verses that abrogate the former, and that Islam has a very wide interpretation of oppressors, pretty well anyone that does anything Muslims don’t like! democratically elected govt that gets rid of brutal dictator killing Muslims? Oppressors

1. Infidel is not a word that appears in the Quran. It is also not a word that exists in arabic, according to Arabic speakers.
2. The Quran has no command to kill infidels (or anyone else, for that matter, except for people who attack others unjustly).

 

[jack_hawkins]

1. Infidel is not a word that appears in the Quran. It is also not a word that exists in arabic, according to Arabic speakers.
2. The Quran has no command to kill infidels (or anyone else, for that matter, except for people who attack others unjustly).

I think you’ve lost all credibility there:thumbsup:
correction you have lost all credibility there

 

[pro_universal]

I think you’ve lost all credibility there:thumbsup:
correction you have lost all credibility there

Uh, why?

For saying the obvious? that the word “infidel” is not in the Koran, even in translation?

And that “infidel” doesn’t have an Arabic corrorlary?

 

[jack_hawkins]

Uh, why?
For saying the obvious? that the word “infidel” is not in the Koran, even in translation?
And that “infidel” doesn’t have an Arabic corrorlary?

how come Arab speakers use the term infidel and kufr?
either you are lying or you have been really taken in
just taking a quick look at the Skeptic’s Annotated Quran, there’s plenty of quotes about unbelievers…despise the infidel
**Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don’t kill them.) 2:191-2 **

 

[pro_universal]

how come Arab speakers use the term infidel and kufr?
either you are lying or you have been really taken in
just taking a quick look at the Skeptic’s Annotated Quran, there’s plenty of quotes about unbelievers…

Arabic speakers do not use the term infidel. It’s not Arabic-it’s latin root. Don’t take my word for it-go to a searchable Koran online and search it. You will get 0 results for “infidel”, guaranteed.

Kufr does not mean infidel. Not the same word, not the same connotation, and certainly not the same use in the Quran as “infidel” in western lingo.

We think the word “infidel” is so ugly precisely because that’s how we use it-the idea of “killing all the infidels” is a Christian one, not a Muslim one.

 

[jack_hawkins]

look above at my post
what a specious argument!
Muslims use the term infidel or kufr with great glee and I have heard it used many times even directly to me personally, so you are talking rubbish frankly!

 

[pro_universal]

look above at my post
what a specious argument!
Muslims use the term infidel or kufr with great glee and I have heard it used many times even directly to me personally, so you are talking rubbish frankly!

Okay, if they used “kufr”, they were speaking Arabic. Do you understand Arabic?? How do you know they were talking about you, and how did you figure out which form of the word they were using?

“Infidel” is a Christian word, not a Muslim one. So I think you’re confused.

Could please describe one incident in which someone used the word “infidel” on you?

 

[jack_hawkins]

Okay, if they used “kufr”, they were speaking Arabic. Do you understand Arabic?? How do you know they were talking about you, and how did you figure out which form of the word they were using?

“Infidel” is a Christian word, not a Muslim one. So I think you’re confused.

Could please describe one incident in which someone used the word “infidel” on you?

a miracle - you concede that kufr is an Arabic word
and what does it mean?
infidel is the equivalent of kufr - naturally Muslims being Arab wannabes use the term kufr, we all understand that!
I have no need to describe how and where I was called a kufr (not infidel, that’s a “Christian” word apparently - I haven’t heard of the “Christian” language, can you get tapes and books in “Christian”?)
just for anyone who thinks pro’s linguistic pedantry has any merit see here:Kafir/Infidel/Unbeliever

 

[Montalban]

And…“infidel” is a latin word. It has no equivalent in Arabic.

Perhaps it does
Try KAFIR

Infidel…
It stems from the Latin for unbeliever. Arabic has a word for this.

 

[Montalban]

Arabic speakers do not use the term infidel.

They use the Arabic equal. What’s the difference?

 

[jonfan]

Perhaps it does
Try KAFIR

Infidel…
It stems from the Latin for unbeliever. Arabic has a word for this.

I quite enjoy the Kuffar lifestyle.

 

[cestusdei]

Sorry, but I didn’t see the country. Which one was it?

FYI-Turkey represses Islam as well.

And…“infidel” is a latin word. It has no equivalent in Arabic.

The country is Armenia. The arabic word is “kaffir.” We were attacked unjustly by muslims. Hamas and hezbullah attack unjustly. Do you condemn them pro?

 

[Valke2]

I was a baby, then a boy, then a teen, and now a man. Yet my name has remained the same. It always described ‘me’.

Old English is different in degree, to Modern English. Middle English is different (though less in degree) from Modern English. It is still English. I don’t deny that it has changed, but it is still English. It was English then, and it is now. English is the term used to describe the language.

Further your argument is like saying England now has a constitutional monarchy. In 1100 it didn’t therefore it can’t be called England!

As English has grown, it has borrowed more and more words from outside (see…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Influencegraph.PNG so that there are words in it that are not of Germanic etymology, but it is still ENGLISH!

Here’s the English dictionary’s definition of English
the Germanic language of the British Isles, widespread and standard also in the U.S. and most of the British Commonwealth, historically termed Old English (c450–c1150), Middle English (c1150–c1475), and Modern English (after c1475). Abbreviation: E
dictionary.reference.com/browse/english

Note that the term “Old English” is used not to describe a different language, but a different period in the development of English.

English, whilst not German, is a Germanic language. It is related. The differences between Old English and Modern English don’t detract from the term “English” common to the name of both of them. That alone is so patently obvious I’m amazed you would come up with your argument.

Look at it another way. When Chaucer wrote, it was called “English”. It was then, and it is now.

I counter by asking you to read this Middle English…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ChaucerPortraitEllesmereMs.jpg
or
molcat1.bl.uk/treasures/caxton/pagemax.asp?page=2r&strCopy=1&vol=
By your definition the Canterbury Tales aren’t English! There are sites that ‘translate’ it into Modern English.

Things can change in degree, but still be termed the same thing.

This is perhaps the most important debate in the history of religious chat.

 

[Montalban]

This is perhaps the most important debate in the history of religious chat.

I like it how you only quote what I cite. It takes two to debate.

Pro_universal was the first to raise this by making a statement about when English came into being.

But hey, just cite me!

 

[pro_universal]

The country is Armenia. The arabic word is “kaffir.” We were attacked unjustly by muslims. Hamas and hezbullah attack unjustly. Do you condemn them pro?

By the time the Turks went to Armenia, it had already been at war repeatedly with Christian states.

So no, you’re not talking about a place that Christianity went without warfare.

 

[Montalban]

By the time the Turks went to Armenia, it had already been at war repeatedly with Christian states.

That’s not the issue. You deny completely that the Turks had made genocide against the Armenians prior to the Young Turks. I cited evidence to show that this is not the case.

You’ve not addressed that. You’re simply trying another “you too!” argument without even acknowledging the faults done by Islamic Turks

 

[cestusdei]

pro, Armenia became Christian about 300 AD. The first country to do so. There was no force involved. They are proud of that fact. You asked for a country that became Christian without war. There it is.

 

[Montalban]

pro, Armenia became Christian about 300 AD. The first country to do so. There was no force involved. They are proud of that fact. You asked for a country that became Christian without war. There it is.

He made the same challenge some months ago. It seems every so often he makes the same attempts at making a point.