Islamic teaching questions

[FreeMe]

FreeMe:

Show me the primary source of Bible that Jesus said, he taught Christianity.

To follow Jesus Christ is to become or be Christian. A Christian follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. The Greatest of Jesus teachings and He leads all Christians by HIs example; Which is LOVE.

LOVE… But then why did Jesus condemn and cursed the High Priest, the scribes and Pharisees when they met Jesus, in the courtyard of the Temple.

This means that Jesus has sinned for insulting them.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam.

Islam in Aramaic means submission to the will of God.
Christians do not make a submission to the will of God as some type of religion as you interpret from the Quran, The submission to the will of God (Islam)is a way of life for a Christian never a religion. So your dichotomy of Islam runs deep here.
Where I think you fail in your interpretation of the Quran. Muslims think, the Quran directlly opposes the Catholic Christian faith here, because we do not submit to any man or any self proclaimed prophet’s new teaching’s or revelation (who comes 700 years after the resurrection of Jesus Christ) that conflict with God’s divine revelation revealed in and through God’s Word Incarnated in the person of Jesus Christ. Yet, Christians have been submitting to the will of God in all things as a way of life. Christians submit to God’s will never do Christians submit to man made religions or any prophet born from a conjugal relationship.

Muhammad was the Last Messenger and no prophet after him.

That’s a contradiction of divine revelation, when God informed His Church to beware of later false prophets who will come and deceive many.
Here is Jesus speaking;
Matthew 24; 11 Many false prophets will arise and deceive many;
12and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold.
13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations,* and then the end will come.

Mark 5;Jesus began to say to them, “See that no one deceives you.
6 Many will come in my name saying, ‘I am he,’ and they will deceive many.
7 When you hear of wars and reports of wars do not be alarmed; such things must happen, but it will not yet be the end.
8 Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes from place to place and there will be famines. These are the beginnings of the labor pains.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

LOVE… But then why did Jesus condemn and cursed the High Priest, the scribes and Pharisees when they met Jesus, in the courtyard of the Temple.

This means that Jesus has sinned for insulting them.

There’s a distinction between love and blind acceptance. As a parent admonishes the wrongdoing of a child, so did God admonish the sins of the Jews.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

LOVE… But then why did Jesus condemn and cursed the High Priest, the scribes and Pharisees when they met Jesus, in the courtyard of the Temple.

This means that Jesus has sinned for insulting them.

You have been misinformed. It was Jesus who was condemned by the religious Sanhedrin and later again by the Roman secular powers. Here is the historical account.
Mark 14;60
The high priest rose before the assembly and questioned Jesus, saying, “Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?”
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• But he was silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him and said to him, “Are you the Messiah, the son of the Blessed One?”
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  Then Jesus answered, “I am;

and ‘you will see the Son of Man

seated at the right hand of the Power

and coming with the clouds of heaven.’”o

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At that the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further need have we of witnesses?
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You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as deserving to die.
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Some began to spit on him. They blindfolded him and struck him and said to him, “Prophesy!” And the guards greeted him with blows.p

God warns the Sanhedrin that the law and covenant they were abusing God’s people with, will now become fulfilled in the Son of Man = Lamb of God, when there will be no stone overturned when all these things come to pass. And it came to pass in 70 a.d

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

Here is an account when Jesus addresses Annas who was a past high priest and father in law to the present high priest Ciaphas.

Jesus addresses Annas who is deceiving to be the present high priest in Ciaphas stead. Jesus does not insult deception but exposes it.

Here is John’s account;
John 18:12 So the band of soldiers, the tribune, and the Jewish guards seized Jesus, bound him,
13 and brought him to Annas first. He was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was high priest that year.f*
14 It was Caiaphas who had counseled the Jews that it was better that one man should die rather than the people.
The Inquiry before Annas.
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The high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and about his doctrine.
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Jesus answered him, “I have spoken publicly to the world. I have always taught in a synagogue or in the temple area* where all the Jews gather, and in secret I have said nothing.j
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Why ask me? Ask those who heard me what I said to them. They know what I said.”
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When he had said this, one of the temple guards standing there struck Jesus and said, “Is this the way you answer the high priest?”k
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Jesus answered him, “If I have spoken wrongly, testify to the wrong; but if I have spoken rightly, why do you strike me?”
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Then Annas sent him bound to Caiaphas the high priest.l*

 

[guanophore]

Show me the primary source of Bible that Jesus said, he taught Christianity.

The entire New Testament is the teaching of Jesus. He taught humankind how to have eternal life, how to experience the reign of God in this life, and the next. But His followers were not called Christians until after He ascended into heaven.

Matthew 16:24 “Then Jesus told his disciples, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

Followers of Christ are called to self denial.

Allah does not say any other religion is wrong. He calls them the disbelievers, those who are in doubt and others.

Allah may not, but Muslims believe that Christians are infidels.

Does God speak to fight the unbelievers for flesh and blood for Him?

It is a spiritual battle. His Kingdom is not of this world.

there is another Creator besides Allah

Oh my goodness! I learn something new here every day! Who might that be? I thought that God was one, and there was no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet?

Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. In Quran says, “Truly the religion with Allah is Islam.” (3:19) and “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

You seem to believe that the Quran was written by Allah.

Muhammad was the Last Messenger and no prophet after him. So as the last Prophet he was to execute God’s command to abolish previous teachings

Well, good luck with that. What are you doing on a Catholic discussion Board? Do you think you can convert us to believe such things?

 

[FreeMe]

FreeMe:

Show me the primary source of Bible that Jesus said, he taught Christianity.

The entire New Testament is the teaching of Jesus. He taught humankind how to have eternal life, how to experience the reign of God in this life, and the next. But His followers were not called Christians until after He ascended into heaven.

Matthew 16:24 “Then Jesus told his disciples, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

Followers of Christ are called to self denial.

Allah does not say any other religion is wrong. He calls them the disbelievers, those who are in doubt and others.

Allah may not, but Muslims believe that Christians are infidels.

Does God speak to fight the unbelievers for flesh and blood for Him?

It is a spiritual battle. His Kingdom is not of this world.

there is another Creator besides Allah

Oh my goodness! I learn something new here every day! Who might that be? I thought that God was one, and there was no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet?

Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. In Quran says, “Truly the religion with Allah is Islam.” (3:19) and “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

You seem to believe that the Quran was written by Allah.

Muhammad was the Last Messenger and no prophet after him. So as the last Prophet he was to execute God’s command to abolish previous teachings

Well, good luck with that. What are you doing on a Catholic discussion Board? Do you think you can convert us to believe such things?

I neither Muslim nor Christian. I learned about Islam and now want to know about Christianity based on common sense.

 

[guanophore]

I neither Muslim nor Christian. I learned about Islam and now want to know about Christianity based on common sense.

Christianity is based upon God’s revelation of Himself to humankind. If you are limited to your human understanding only, I think you will not get very far.

 

[FreeMe]

FreeMe:

I neither Muslim nor Christian. I learned about Islam and now want to know about Christianity based on common sense.

Christianity is based upon God’s revelation of Himself to humankind. If you are limited to your human understanding only, I think you will not get very far.

God gave us our brains, the apparatus we need for making sound judgments, and he doesn’t want them standing idle. He expects us to use them. Certain decisions are right simply because they make good sense.

 

[guanophore]

God gave us our brains, the apparatus we need for making sound judgments, and he doesn’t want them standing idle. He expects us to use them. Certain decisions are right simply because they make good sense.

Yes of course! You can do this as an atheist or agnostic.

Christianity is about a relationship with Christ. If all you want to do is human research, you can find out what we believe byreading the Catechism.

 

[FreeMe]

FreeMe:

God gave us our brains, the apparatus we need for making sound judgments, and he doesn’t want them standing idle. He expects us to use them. Certain decisions are right simply because they make good sense.

Yes of course! You can do this as an atheist or agnostic.

Christianity is about a relationship with Christ. If all you want to do is human research, you can find out what we believe byreading the Catechism.

Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

Jesus said, "Seek and you will find.

 

[mhmtas63]

Are you serious? “all acts of atoms and subatomic particles as a knowledge are in eternal knowledge of God… Qur’an teach that.”??

Excuse me; atoms and subatomic particles are known to be created by God. That which is created and known in space and time is quickly returning to dust. How can the Quran imply creation to existing in the eternal knowledge of God? when creation returns to dust thereby cannot be an eternal knowledge of God.
I believe your Quran pretends to know God’s (eternal) ways, when it is known by all men and creation that NO ONE knows God’s (eternal) ways.
I have to disagree with you.

So you say there is something God cannot know?

What do you mean by “dust”? Dou you mean form of energy? I am a Physicist and not understand that. Could you expound some?

The atoms or subatomic particles are material and matter cannot be dissolved and vanished. They could be transformed into form of energy as Einstein formulated(E=mc^2). I mean only God can create matter and only God can destroy. If there were some casual conditions God cannot know so God would not be Creator of everything. The affect of God’s power is not just creating. Because the universe work in very detailed laws. For instance an electron has spin and settle in around nucleus of atom by a way which is unidentified. There is no a law and a casual act cannot do that. But God know and has laws for actions of everything. Or a neutron and a proton settle in nucleus which we work hard to understand the case. There is no such thing as static. If God would not know every act of particles so our very systematic and in order universe would get into a chaos.

 

[mhmtas63]

There is no beginning or end in eternal substance of God, Your error here, when you imply a “later” action of God occurs in eternity.
What you oppose in the “begetting eternally” is not believed in by Catholic Christians, because you falsely imply the eternal substance of God makes an action in eternity as if time and space exists in eternity. Your definition of “begetting eternally” does not exist in Christian faith or theology.
It is your opinion which is flawed when trying to oppose an eternal act of Act of God.

I say there is a flaw by your definition. Begetting eternally! Why not existing eternally. That would be very easy. But if you say Father begot Son eternally that imply as if there is levels and limits in eternity. I know there is no limits or a beginnig and an end in eternity. But by your definition “begetting eternally” imply that. I mean if Father were not exist so Son would not be exist by your definition. But if Son is God so he would be able to exist by himself. Why did he need to be begotten?

And if there were three gods or three distinct divine persons as eternally but we are to have many problems!

 

[mhmtas63]

True “something who begotten eternally cannot be eternal God”, by your definition, God never creates anything, because God does not proceed His divine revelation in the begetting into space and time, again by your logic here and definition, the Quran is never a divine revelation of God because God cannot proceed or eternally beget His divine revelation into space and time.
By a Catholic Christian definition, all things are possible in God. God created all things by His Word. Thus God the Father eternally begets His Word =Son, who makes divine revelation made known in all of creation.

God eternally begets divine revelation, and makes them known into space and time through His Word who is God, divinely revealed in the presence of God incarnate Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. We believe God created creation from the eternal begetting.

Your definition of the “eternal begetting” is flawed and places God in a box who cannot do anything, and does not create, by your definition of God’s “eternal begetting”.

First of all where in Gospel God say “I begot Son eternally”? Where does tale of “begetting” emerge?

Qur’an is divine revelation. God created(revealed) divine revelation into Arabic words. Qur’an as meaning is eternal in eternal knowledge of God. We could know when it was created(revealed).

For eternal begetting! We cannot know and not comprehend an eternal action in God’s essence. We can know what God create and inform. So we cannot know that God begot a Son eternally because God did not inform us in Gospel about that. But in Qur’an God inform us that God did not do(and do not) such thing.

Jesus is word of God means Jesus was result of word of God. That means word of God created Jesus. "The word was God " means it was God who created. Because eternal attributes of God do not depart and detach from God.

 

[mhmtas63]

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1

If I interprate above verses in a fantastic way so God could had begotten eternally many sons!

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Qur’an is divine revelation. God created(revealed) divine revelation into Arabic words. Qur’an as meaning is eternal in eternal knowledge of God. We could know when it was created(revealed).

No. It. Isn’t. You can keep saying that but as long as you never prove it, it means nothing.

Jesus is word of God means Jesus was result of word of God. That means word of God created Jesus. "The word was God " means it was God who created. Because eternal attributes of God do not depart and detach from God.

That’s not how English works. “The Word was God” means that whatever the Word is, is also God. How could God speak words that were Him also if He is of one singular nature? The Word was with God, and also was God.

Also, if John wanted to just say “The Word made Jesus,” he would’ve said, “And the Word was created by God.” He didn’t. He specifically chose to use the Greek word for “to be” in conjunction with the word for “deity.” John wanted to convey the simple idea that the Word of God was God.

 

[guanophore]

Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. In Quran says, “Truly the religion with Allah is Islam.” (3:19) and “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

You seem pretty confident that Allah is the Source of these words. Did God write the words, or was it a person? If it was a person, how do you know that what they wrote came from Allah?

What happens to all the human beings that lived before Islam? Were they unacceptable to God?

 

[FreeMe]

FreeMe:

Allah states that there is no religion accepted with Him from any person, except Islam. In Quran says, “Truly the religion with Allah is Islam.” (3:19) and “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” (3:85)

You seem pretty confident that Allah is the Source of these words. Did God write the words, or was it a person? If it was a person, how do you know that what they wrote came from Allah?

Be like Muhammad to find out the truth.

Be like Jesus to know the truth…Was he crucified then ascended to Heaven

What happens to all the human beings that lived before Islam? Were they unacceptable to God?

Those who had existed and died before the birth of Muhammad, they all returned to Allah. “To Allah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return.”

 

[guanophore]

Be like Muhammad to find out the truth.

I find it odd that you have asserted the following:

1. Islam is the only religion Allah accetps
2. The Quran is the last and final revelation from Alllah, replacing all that came before it.
3. The contents of any and all Holy Writings cannot be proven, and therefore are unreliable.

To tell you the truth, I am wondering if you have some kind of thinking problem, since it seems that there is no way for all the assertions you have made to fit together.

Be like Jesus to know the truth…Was he crucified then ascended to Heaven

You seem to flip flop back and forth, @FreeMe. You have asserted that there is no way to prove that anything written in the Bible is true, yet you are enjoining us to be like Jesus who was crucified and ascended to heaven. How can you PROVE he ascended to heaven?

How can you PROVE he existed, and was crucified? You are giving advice based on writings you have already said cannot be proven.

Those who had existed and died before the birth of Muhammad, they all returned to Allah. “To Allah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return.”

It appears you hve not been honest about you reasons for coming here, @FreeMe. Instead of wanting to understand Catholicism, you seem to want to make converts to Islam.

 

[FreeMe]

FreeMe:

Be like Muhammad to find out the truth.

I find it odd that you have asserted the following:

1. Islam is the only religion Allah accetps
2. The Quran is the last and final revelation from Alllah, replacing all that came before it.
3. The contents of any and all Holy Writings cannot be proven, and therefore are unreliable.

To tell you the truth, I am wondering if you have some kind of thinking problem, since it seems that there is no way for all the assertions you have made to fit together.

Be like Jesus to know the truth…Was he crucified then ascended to Heaven

You seem to flip flop back and forth, @FreeMe. You have asserted that there is no way to prove that anything written in the Bible is true, yet you are enjoining us to be like Jesus who was crucified and ascended to heaven. How can you PROVE he ascended to heaven?

How can you PROVE he existed, and was crucified? You are giving advice based on writings you have already said cannot be proven.

Those who had existed and died before the birth of Muhammad, they all returned to Allah. “To Allah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return.”

It appears you hve not been honest about you reasons for coming here, @FreeMe. Instead of wanting to understand Catholicism, you seem to want to make converts to Islam.

My experience joined Islamic and Christian websites with arguments, debates, discussions for 10 years. I learned a lot from them.