Islam's claim about Mohammad

[Munawar]

TarAshly:

i agree. mohammed was a man, therefore imperfect, falliable, a sinner. he was a weak human being like we all are, how easy it would have been for him to change what God told him to fit his own needs and his own beliefs. Thats all assuming that God did give the message a second time to yet a second prophet, which i dont believe for one red hot second.

Hello TarAshly,

If we believe that God sent his message to a man named Muhammad. Why would it be difficult for God to ensure that Muhammad was faithful and transmitted the message exactly as he was told?

But that doesn’t matter, because even if the Prophet had been trecherous, Muslims would have caught him, because the Quran follows a highly literate form of Arabic prose.

To make an example, can you imagine if Shakespere recited Hamlet to someone who made changes in the middle of it? They would be caught soon enough.

Munawar

 

[hlgomez]

Assuming that God came to earth in flesh and was tortured for all of mankinds sin…Do you feel that everyone now is SURE of who God is? Is the bible clear in this respect? Can I know for a FACT from the bible that Jesus is God?

Faith101,

I already answered this question on this thread:

“This is Islam” from post# 358-362

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=59075&page=4

Pio

 

[TarAshly]

Munawar:

Hello TarAshly,

If we believe that God sent his message to a man named Muhammad. Why would it be difficult for God to ensure that Muhammad was faithful and transmitted the message exactly as he was told?
Munawar

its not difficult to believe that God gave Jesus the message and in Jesus’ divinity we can trust that its true, because Jesus Christ said it was when he gave us the True Holy Message from God, when Jesus revealed the Truth.

 

[Faith101]

Booklover:

Okay, so that’s what you believe. Now, give us the proof of why you believe this, and please don’t give the same old chestnuts about our Bible being corrupted and Jesus not being God and all that. Give us concrete proof that the Angel Gabriel really appeared to Mohammed and that he was a real prophet. Can you do that???

You see, I believe in Jesus Christ so I cannot accept Mohammed’s claim to prophethood. Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the END. That simply means that he was saying that there would not be anyone else to come after him. He had accomplished what he came to do, He saved us, and he founded the Holy Roman Catholic Church for all mankind and told us He would always be with us, even till the end of the world and that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church!

P.S. The fact that 10 million Muslims have memorized the entire Qur’an may be a great feat, but that still does not prove the validity of the Qur’an as a document from Heaven or that Mohammed was a real prophet.

Peace Booklover

If you want the answer to your question…than you should clear your intentions and study Islam for yourself.

It is very difficult for me to imagine the claim that Mohamed (pbuh) was not a prophet from God. Everything in the Quran makes sense. Not only that, but Mohamed (pbuh) was subjected to severe harrasment for declaring that God is one… When offered wealth and power from the Meccans in exchange for him giving up his message…he refused. Although prior to him declaring the truth from God, people had called him the “honest and trustworthy”, he was later called a liar, sometimes a magician…and so was Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) in his time.

If Mohamed was “making it up” why didnt he give himself special powers or status…maybe he could have said that HE was the son of god and not Jesus. But no, the Quran is clear “Mohamed is just a man.” Not only that, but God corrects Mohamed in the Quran when he makes any mistakes.

May God’s peace and blessing be on the last messenger of God

There is nothing I or anyone else can do to make you believe… Truly, people of the past saw great miracles and refused to submit to God

 

[Faith101]

RyanL:

Faith101,

They said it with their lives. Rest assured, the prophesy is there (just not in the way you were thinking). If I showed you, would you believe?

RyanL

I would like to see the evidence from their lives that led you to that conclusion. To me, they said clearly “God is one” and they didnt mention multiple persons in that God…but maybe Biblical stories have a different perspective.

 

[Faith101]

chb03c:

The problem with this statement is that you are thinking that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are seperate still. God is one period. Just like I have a Head, hands and feet; we believe that God has a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are NOT seperate entities with the same will, But rather parts that make up God our creator. We do not think God has any kind of partners or anything of the sort. These are meerly pieces of God, just like the my head, hands and feet are pieces of myself. This is how us Christians understand who God is.

Correct me if i am wrong but I believe there is a story in the Quran about the Blind men and the Elephant. In the story it adresses how the men get a different preception of the Elephant due to there blindness. Even though all were correct in what they had thought the elephant looked like. They were not completely correct in what the elephant looked like with respect to there individual perceptions. It’s kind of like that as well. I am sorry if i misinturpurted what the point of that story was about.

I never said God was changing the message. All I was trying to ask was what makes Mohammed extra speacial that will make him deliver God’s message perfectly?

God has perfect humility, since he is God. That was the whole point about Jesus coming to earth to die for our sins. Yes your right God could have snaped his fingers at any moment in time to forgive our sins. However he wanted to show us his complete love for us and actually die for our sins instead (to be that sacrifical lamb in the sader/mass). Hey man I don’t know about you but if someone died for me I might want to listen to the message he had to say.

I agree that a lot of Christians think this way. But it doesn’t mean they should. We are called to love God because we want to not because we have to, that is why God gave us free will.

amen to that!!!

Hey chb03c

how do you split the message apart and reply to each part separatly? i’m kinda new to forum stuff

In terms of God and Jesus having the same will (i’ll leave the Holy sprit out for right now b/c i dont really understand it’s role). I saw the movie “passion of the Christ” and in one scene, Jesus prays to God and says something along the lines of “let this cup pass from me if that be your will”

How do you understand that statement if you believe they had the same will?

The only thing special about ANY of these messengers is that God chose them and entrusted them with a message. That is it. WHy did God choose Mohamed? That is part of God wisdom.

I understand the “ultimate sacrifice” for someone to die for you. But it is INJUSTICE for someone to die for something you did NOT commit. Do you know what i mean?
Maybe i’m getting it wrong…what sin did Jesus clear up with his blood?

 

[Faith101]

Rand Al'Thor:

It is true that God does not say “whoops, that didn’t work, let me try again.” But, that is what the Islamic faith is entirely based on: God sent Jesus but Jesus was unsuccessful in bringing God’s message. So then God sends out Muhammad, 600 years later, to correct that…mistake, so to speak. Essentially, Jesus didn’t work, so God had to try again. However, with Christianity, God has never said that; His message is still the same 2000 years later.

That is a misunderstanding of the role of the messengers from an Islamic viewpoint.

The messengers before Mohamed (pbuh) were sent to specific people. Their message was ONLY intended for the people of their time…for Jesus it was the Children of Israel, and you will see evidence of that in the Bible. Jesus (pbuh) focused on the children of Israel adn would hesitate to make miracles for those outside of those people. SO, God did NOT intend to preserve the literal message of Jesus CHrist (pbuh)…although his basic message is the same basic message of Islam.

Mohamed (pbuh) was sent to all of mankind,and so his message was preserved…so it can serve to be as the QUran states “guidance to those who are God-concious”

Hope that helped

 

[Faith101]

StJeanneDArc:

Wow, Fatuma, this is exactly what Christians believe. Christians additionally believe that God became man to really show us that we are not alone. God’s revelation to our Jewish forerunners demonstrated His virtues of love, mercy, justice, and wisdom. Additionally, in suffering and dying on the cross, God demonstrated the human virtue of courage.

You’re touching on the mystery on free will. In creating man free, God gave us the ability to accept or reject His grace. It is only in this way that we can truly freely love God in all His goodness. Does the Muslim religion incorporate the same concept of human free will?

Peace

Yes, because of our free will, human beings have the capacity to be better than angels or worse than devils.

The difference is that we dont believe that God would be God if someone hit him and he said “ouch.” He would not be worthy of worship…if anything, he would be worthy of our compassion.

 

[chb03c]

Faith101:

Hey chb03c

how do you split the message apart and reply to each part separatly? i’m kinda new to forum stuff

its kind of easy all you need to do is use the QUOTE tage and put ] around it. And end it with a /QUOTE. You will need to mess around with it some.

Faith101:

In terms of God and Jesus having the same will (i’ll leave the Holy sprit out for right now b/c i dont really understand it’s role). I saw the movie “passion of the Christ” and in one scene, Jesus prays to God and says something along the lines of “let this cup pass from me if that be your will”

This is the problem you are still having: you are leaving out the Holy Spirit. You can not do that when trying to understand our concept of God. Like I said before The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not Seperate they are one. So when you are talking about the Father and the Son you are already talking about the Holy Spirit weather you realize it or not. As for Christ praying; lets recall the analogy before when I said I have a Head, a hand and a foot. How does my hand know when to pick something up? does the hand have a will of its own? I hope not that would be weird, rather the Head communicates with the other parts of the body and tells the hand to pick this object up. Something similar is going on here. Not to mention we are getting into the divinity of Christ as well.

We do not have the same concept as the Hindu religion when it comes to God. So it is best not to try and think it is the same.

Faith101:

The only thing special about ANY of these messengers is that God chose them and entrusted them with a message. That is it. WHy did God choose Mohamed? That is part of God wisdom.

Why is it that Mohammed got it right then? And how do we know Mohammed got it right?

Faith101:

I understand the “ultimate sacrifice” for someone to die for you. But it is INJUSTICE for someone to die for something you did NOT commit. Do you know what i mean?
Maybe i’m getting it wrong…what sin did Jesus clear up with his blood?

That is the whole point!!! Even though we deserved to die instead of him, God came down because he loved us so much and died for us. Just to show us how much he loves us. He took the bullet for us!

Another way to look at it: take a look at the fall of Adam and Eve. God loved them so much and then in the end they end up turning against him. Did God deserve that? Is that justice? And of course God wanted us to be with him why else would he want to forgive our sins. So it is not a matter of what “we” as individuals see as “JUSTICE/INJUSTICE” and right but rather what God sees is right.

God Bless,

 

[RyanL]

Faith101:

I would like to see the evidence from their lives that led you to that conclusion. To me, they said clearly “God is one” and they didnt mention multiple persons in that God…but maybe Biblical stories have a different perspective.

Faith101,
Again, if I showed you that their lives were the testimony of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit…as well as the lives of many before and after them…would you believe? I don’t want to take the time to explain to someone who refuses to believe and will write off what I say as “lies”…

Peace be with you,
RyanL

 

[Faith101]

its kind of easy all you need to do is use the QUOTE tage and put ] around it. And end it with a /QUOTE. You will need to mess around with it some.

Thanks! testing…

As for Christ praying; lets recall the analogy before when I said I have a Head, a hand and a foot. How does my hand know when to pick something up? does the hand have a will of its own? I hope not that would be weird, rather the Head communicates with the other parts of the body and tells the hand to pick this object up. Something similar is going on here. Not to mention we are getting into the divinity of Christ as well

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what you have just described is very similiar to the Islamic view of prophethood. They are just relaying a message, just how the hand is doing what the brain tells it to and nothing of its own. If you put a bullet in the head, the hand can not and will not be able to do anthing. If you put a bullet in your hand, (it’s gonna hurt and your brain is gonna tell you that, but lets leave that part out for analogy sake) your brain will move on.

I dont understand how you understand the statement of Jesus praying “let this cup pass if that is your will” to indicate that they have the SAME will. It seems that Jesus is depending on the will of God and not his own. I believe there are other parts of the bible that Jesus confirms the fact that he does not his own will but the will of the one who sent him. How do you understand these statements?

We do not have the same concept as the Hindu religion when it comes to God. So it is best not to try and think it is the same.

From an outsiders point of view…3 persons in one in Christianity. and thousands of persons in one in hinduism. I had a long conversation with a Hindu who kept telling me “we only worship ONE God”. What do you think is the main difference b/w the two interpretations of God’s nature (aside from the number of persons)?

Why is it that Mohammed got it right then? And how do we know Mohammed got it right?

IT is part of God’s plan. He is the last of the line of messengers. Read the Quran with an open heart and mind and come up with your own conclusion on his message.

Another way to look at it: take a look at the fall of Adam and Eve. God loved them so much and then in the end they end up turning against him. Did God deserve that?

The Islamic view on “the fall” of Adam and Eve is different from the Christian view. For one, we believe that Adam and Eve admitted that they sinned and seeked God’s forgiveness (they did not try to deny it…Adam did not blame it on Eve or the devil…they took responsibility for their sins)…which they were readily granted. End of the original sin. They did not turn against Him, they turned against themselves…this is their repentence prayer as recorded in the Quran

They said: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” (Quran 7:23)

God’s reply:

"…and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful (2:37)

Now, what is the sin that Jesus (peace be upon him) came to die for?

 

[Faith101]

its kind of easy all you need to do is use the QUOTE tage and put ] around it. And end it with a /QUOTE. You will need to mess around with it some.

Hey thanks!

i just highlighted it and pressed on the yellow button to the left of the toolbar…it worked! thanks

 

[chb03c]

Faith101:

Thanks! testing…

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sure thing anytime

Faith101:

what you have just described is very similiar to the Islamic view of prophethood. They are just relaying a message, just how the hand is doing what the brain tells it to and nothing of its own. If you put a bullet in the head, the hand can not and will not be able to do anthing. If you put a bullet in your hand, (it’s gonna hurt and your brain is gonna tell you that, but lets leave that part out for analogy sake) your brain will move on.

The only diffence with this is the prophets are not part of God’s makeup. The prophets (as holy as they are) are still seperate from God. Jesus was never seperate from God.

Faith101:

I dont understand how you understand the statement of Jesus praying “let this cup pass if that is your will” to indicate that they have the SAME will. It seems that Jesus is depending on the will of God and not his own. I believe there are other parts of the bible that Jesus confirms the fact that he does not his own will but the will of the one who sent him. How do you understand these statements?

I was trying to avoid this only because, like the Trinity, it is a little complicated as well to understand (only because I was trying to stay with one complicated doctorine at a time but thats ok).

Us Chrstians believe that Jesus was purly human and purly divine(God). He was both. for a more deeper understanding go to www.catholic.com, there is a lot of clearer information in there then what i gave you.

Faith101:

From an outsiders point of view…3 persons in one in Christianity. and thousands of persons in one in hinduism. I had a long conversation with a Hindu who kept telling me “we only worship ONE God”. What do you think is the main difference b/w the two interpretations of God’s nature (aside from the number of persons)?

The difference is in Hindu there god seperates itself into many other weaker gods. In Christianity its not a matter of God seperating himself. Again God does not seperate himself that implies multiple will’s God follows. The Trinity, is not a set of gods, the Trinity is God. Think of it more like this in the OT God apeared to Moses and God appeared to be more like a Father guiding his childeren. In the NT God revealed himself to be more like a brother or a Son of the Father. And in the present day he has revealed himself as the Holy Spirit that guides through the heart of the Church.

Faith101:

IT is part of God’s plan. He is the last of the line of messengers. Read the Quran with an open heart and mind and come up with your own conclusion on his message.

How do you know its God’s plan? You can’t just tell me to read the Quran, how do I know it is really true? How do you know Mohammed is really a prophet? I would really like you to answer these questions for me.

I don’t mean to insult you, I know you are truely an honest person, but i say the same thing to the Mormons. They are convinced that if I read The Book of Mormon I will be instantly converted. However some guy that comes out of almost no where and says he is Gods messenger and I should listen to him that sounds dangerous. It is espeacially dangerous for Mohammeds time considering there was a long line of false prophets after Jesus.

Faith101:

The Islamic view on “the fall” of Adam and Eve is different from the Christian view. For one, we believe that Adam and Eve admitted that they sinned and seeked God’s forgiveness (they did not try to deny it…Adam did not blame it on Eve or the devil…they took responsibility for their sins)…which they were readily granted. End of the original sin. They did not turn against Him, they turned against themselves…this is their repentence prayer as recorded in the Quran

They said: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” (Quran 7:23)

God’s reply:

"…and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful (2:37)

Now, what is the sin that Jesus (peace be upon him) came to die for?

I would like to respond to this however I do not believe in this story of Adam and Eve. I am sorry for bring that up I didn’t realize that was different from what we believe as well.

 

[chb03c]

Faith101:

Hey thanks!

i just highlighted it and pressed on the yellow button to the left of the toolbar…it worked! thanks

Oh ok awesome, I learned something today too, thank you.

 

[Faith101]

The only diffence with this is the prophets are not part of God’s makeup. The prophets (as holy as they are) are still seperate from God. Jesus was never seperate from God.

I was speaking to a coptic orthodox Christian and he explained to me that the moment when Jesus was on the cross and cried out “My God, my God why have you forsaken me” (again from the movie ) that at *this * moment God turned away from Jesus for just a few moments b/c Jesus was bearing all this sin. So, from what I gather, this is a separation. What is your view on this?

Us Chrstians believe that Jesus was purly human and purly divine(God). He was both. for a more deeper understanding go to www.catholic.com, there is a lot of clearer information in there then what i gave you.

God and human at the same time? What makes this different from greek mythology? I will, God willing, go to the site to get a deeper understanding.

The difference is in Hindu there god seperates itself into many other weaker gods.

In a way, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) on this earth was also weak. In the sense that people, according to Christian belief, were able to harm him physically and even crucify him. You can’t do that to God…can u?

In Christianity its not a matter of God seperating himself. Again God does not seperate himself that implies multiple will’s God follows. The Trinity, is not a set of gods, the Trinity is God. Think of it more like this in the OT God apeared to Moses and God appeared to be more like a Father guiding his childeren. In the NT God revealed himself to be more like a brother or a Son of the Father. And in the present day he has revealed himself as the Holy Spirit that guides through the heart of the Church.

When God, according to Christian belief, did not forgive Adam/Eve for committing that original sin, which role was that. Was Jesus involved in that (as one of the trinity in the makeup of the One God)? Please forgive me for the seemingly silly questions, i am trying to undesrtand.

How do you know its God’s plan? You can’t just tell me to read the Quran, how do I know it is really true? How do you know Mohammed is really a prophet? I would really like you to answer these questions for me.

He came to a pagan people, who buried their baby daughters, worshipped idols and treated women as property. He set forth to get rid of alll of that and establish the worship of the One Creator. He truly gained nothing from all of this. He was offered power and wealth and denied it. His entire life they called him the trustworthy and the honest, and once he came and threatened their pagan way of living, they called him a liar and magician. He persevered, defending the message.

His message makes sense. I dont need an entire essay and a phD to understand the concept of God. God is one…no BUTS. Mohamed claimed nothing for himself. When people would come to him and say “if God wills and you will” He would get upset and say “do not make me a partner to God, but rather say if God wills *then * you will.” THe more I study his life the more that i am sure that he was sent by God.

Here is a link to help you understand more about how he was like. Make up your own mind. In the end, we will all stand alone in front of God and be questioned for our short time here on earth.

islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/misconception/article13.shtml

Thats the opening link, but try to go through the site when you find the time and it’ll answer many questions.

This quote i found interesting, I believe it came from a non-muslim named Bosworth smith, you’ll find it on the site

“He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope’s pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports.”

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would like to respond to this however I do not believe in this story of Adam and Eve. I am sorry for bring that up I didn’t realize that was different from what we believe as well.

I read the first part of Genesis, and i was surprised to learn the Christian’s view of “the fall” especially since much of the time Christians accuse Muslims of worshipping a love-less God. THe Islamic view of this story really points out how Merciful God is.

 

[Faith101]

RyanL:

Faith101,
Again, if I showed you that their lives were the testimony of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit…as well as the lives of many before and after them…would you believe? I don’t want to take the time to explain to someone who refuses to believe and will write off what I say as “lies”…

Peace be with you,
RyanL

I dont understand what you will have to explain. Just quote Abraham or Moses. The Quran is very clear on basic matters of faith, I would assume the Bible would be just as clear. Just copy and paste from the bible.

If you care to spend the time, I would appreciate it. If you dont have the time, then its ok

 

[Coptic]

I was speaking to a coptic orthodox Christian and he explained to me that the moment when Jesus was on the cross and cried out “My God, my God why have you forsaken me” (again from the movie ) that at *this *moment God turned away from Jesus for just a few moments b/c Jesus was bearing all this sin. So, from what I gather, this is a separation. What is your view on this?

Wrong. This is NOT what Coptic Orthodox Christians believe about that statement.

Taken from H.H. Pope Shenouda III book, “The Seven Words of Our Lord on the Cross” (p43-44), this is what he wrote about that statement:

**
The Fourth Word
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" (Matt.
27:46).
This statement does not mean a separation of the divine
nature of Jesus Christ from His human nature, nor does it
mean that the Father has forsaken the Son. It means rather
that the Father has allowed Him to be tormented.
His divine nature and His human nature were never separated
for a single moment or a wink of the eye. That is what we firmly
believe in and what we recite in the Holy Mass… If ever His
divine nature deserted Him, His redemption could never have
been considered as infinite, rendering infinite salvation, capable
of atoning for the sins of all humanity throughout the ages.
Thus, there was no rupture between His divine and human
nature.
As for His relationship with the Father, the Father did not
forsake Him. Let us only consider this verse: "Believe Me that I
am in the Father, and the Father in Me" (John 14:1l).
What is the meaning then of, "Why have You forsaken
Me?"
It does not mean a separation; it indicates only that the
Father did allow that He should suffer; that He should bear the
blame and suffer God’s wrath over sin. That goes for the

emotional torment He underwent. As for the physical pain; God
allowed that He should suffer physically though God, in His
omnipotence, could have made Him insensible to pain. But, if
that had happened, the Crucifixion would have been null and
void - for pain would never have been experienced and
consequently, no penalty has been inflicted, no acquittal effected
and no redemption accomplished…
Thus, the Father allowed that the Son should suffer, and
the Son accepted that ordinance and was also afflicted by
it. In fact Christ came to the world for that particular
reason… It was a rupture that both parties preconceived
and agreed to… for the sake of humanity, and the Divine
Justice…
God allowed that Jesus should suffer, sacrifice Himself and
be tortured but did not break away from Him… It was not a
separation but rather a dispensation. God suffered that His Son
should suffer but still loved him fully, "Yet it pleased the Lord
to bruise Him" (Is. 53:10).
An example that may make the meaning easy to grasp:
Suppose a parent accompanied his child to the hospital for
an operation, let us say for the removal of an abscess; that the
parent was holding the child’s hand while the surgeon went on
with his incision. The child would then start to cry and plead
with his father not to let that happen to him saying to him,
"Why did you forsake me? "
In fact, the father did not desert his child, he only allowed
him to suffer since the operation was for his own good and he
had only total care and love for his child.
This incident, I would say, demonstrates how that could be
considered abandonment without actual severance of ties.
The word "Forsaken " means that the torment of
Crucifixion was actual and that God’s wrath was
excruciating… The act of abandonment was the climax of all
torment on the Cross; all torment of redemption… Here Christ
resembles a burnt sacrifice. An offering to God for the
atonement of sin - to be consumed by the divine fire until it
turns to ashes and satisfies fully the Divine Justice…
**

There is more written on this statement, which I cannot fit all of it here, but I just wanted to make it crystal clear that we do not believe that this statement means seperation.

You either a) Misunderstood the Copt you spoke with; b) The Copt misunderstood the meaning; or c) You twisted the Copts words to suit you.

Hopefully it’s not option (c)!

This is the site of H.H. Pope Shenouda’s book, which explains the meanings behind what Christ said while on the cross: tasbeha.org/content/hh_books/svnwrds/index.html

Let me know if you have any questions.

God Bless,
Elizabeth

 

[chb03c]

Coptic:

Wrong. This is NOT what Coptic Orthodox Christians believe about that statement.

Taken from H.H. Pope Shenouda III book, “The Seven Words of Our Lord on the Cross” (p43-44), this is what he wrote about that statement:

There is more written on this statement, which I cannot fit all of it here, but I just wanted to make it crystal clear that we do not believe that this statement means seperation.

You either a) Misunderstood the Copt you spoke with; b) The Copt misunderstood the meaning; or c) You twisted the Copts words to suit you.

Hopefully it’s not option (c)!

This is the site of H.H. Pope Shenouda’s book, which explains the meanings behind what Christ said while on the cross: tasbeha.org/content/hh_books/svnwrds/index.html

Let me know if you have any questions.

God Bless,
Elizabeth

Thank you Elizabeth for this information.

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

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God and human at the same time? What makes this different from greek mythology? I will, God willing, go to the site to get a deeper understanding

WITH GOD NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE! HE CREATED EVERYTHING, DIDN’T HE? HE MOST CERTAINLY CAN BE GOD AND HUMAN. HE SAID IT AND WE BELIEVE IT.

In a way, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) on this earth was also weak. In the sense that people, according to Christian belief, were able to harm him physically and even crucify him. You can’t do that to God…can u?

THERE WAS ONE INCIDENT IN JESUS’ LIFE WHEN AN ANGRY CROWD THREATENED TO THROW HIM OVER A CLIFF, AND YET NOT ONE OF THEM DARED TO LAY A HAND ON HIM, AND HE WALKED THROUGH THEM UNHARMED BECAUSE HIS WILL PREVENTED THEM FROM HARMING HIM BECAUSE THE TIME HAD NOT YET COME FOR THAT.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ANYONE COULD HAVE LAID A HAND ON HIM UNLESS HE WILLED IT? THIS HAD TO HAPPEN TO FULFILL THE PROPHECIES ABOUT HIM. HE CAME HERE TO DIE FOR ALL OF US SINNERS AND TO SAVE US. THAT’S HOW MUCH HE LOVES US!

He came to a pagan people, who buried their baby daughters, worshipped idols and treated women as property. He set forth to get rid of alll of that and establish the worship of the One Creator. He truly gained nothing from all of this. He was offered power and wealth and denied it. His entire life they called him the trustworthy and the honest, and once he came and threatened their pagan way of living, they called him a liar and magician. He persevered, defending the message.

His message makes sense. I dont need an entire essay and a phD to understand the concept of God. God is one…no BUTS. Mohamed claimed nothing for himself. When people would come to him and say “if God wills and you will” He would get upset and say “do not make me a partner to God, but rather say if God wills *then *you will.” THe more I study his life the more that i am sure that he was sent by God

**REMEMBER THAT THIS A CATHOLIC FORUM AND YOU’RE A GUEST, SO PLEASE DON’T PROSELYTIZE! YOUR PROPHET WAS A MAN WHOSE LIFE WAS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE TOWARDS ANYONE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT HIS CLAIMS. HE HAD INNUMERABLE MARRIAGES, HIS LIFE WAS FILLED WITH LICENTIOUSNESS, DEEDS OF RAPINE, WARFARE, CONQUESTS AND UNMERCIFUL BUTCHERIES. HOW CAN YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS MAN WAS SENT BY A LOVING GOD? TAKE A LOOK AT JESUS’ LIFE INSTEAD. HE WAS BORN IN A STABLE AND WAS POOR ALL HIS LIFE, AND HIS LIFE WAS FULL OF SUFFERING AND FINALLY HE GAVE EVERYTHING FOR SINNERS, HE GAVE HIS LIFE AND EVERY DROP OF HIS BLOOD WAS POURED OUT FOR US. HOW CAN YOUR “PROPHET” COMPARE WITH HIM? HE CAN’T, BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPARISON! **

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chb03c:

So what if they can reproduce an exact copy. So what if they can memorize it. That doesn’t tell me that what Mohammed said was really the word of God. Like I said before; how do you know that Mohammed delivered the message correctly

HE DIDN’T, BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER SENT BY GOD. THE ANGEL GABRIEL NEVER APPEARED TO HIM WITH ANY MESSAGE. HE FABRICATED HIS “REVELATIONS” AND THE QUR’AN IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD. THE BIBLE IS. ANYONE CAN WRITE A BOOK OR HAVE IT WRITTEN FOR HIM AND CLAIM IT WAS “DIVINELY INSPIRED”. A VERY COMMONPLACE “MIRACLE”. ALL SO-CALLED MIRACLES ATTRIBUTED TO HIM, WERE MYTHS AND LEGENDS CONCOCTED BY HIS FOLLOWERS AND WERE “COPIES” OF JESUS’ MIRACLES. WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TO PERFORM A MIRACLE, HE CLAIMED THE "QUR’AN WAS HIS ONLY “MIRACLE” BECAUSE HE KNEW HE DIDN’T HAVE GOD’S POWER TO PERFORM ANY!