Israel Launches Operation Pillar of Defense against Gaza

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HansTrappist said:
I was talking about the history of the region in the 1940’s.

Yet you provide links to modern pictures of Hamas.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I can only infer that you concur with my statement that the same terrorist tactics that were used to create the modern state of Israel are the same terrorist tactics used by Hamas.
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i sai that it sounds like some body talking 1400 years ago.if that is mirrored in modern day then does that tell you some thing?

how about mr Vittorio-Arrigoni what was his crime?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377182/Vittorio-Arrigoni-Kidnapped-peace-activist-pictured-YouTube-dead-Gaza.html
 
doormouse73 said:
i sai that it sounds like some body talking 1400 years ago.if that is mirrored in modern day then does that tell you some thing?

how about mr Vittorio-Arrigoni what was his crime?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377182/Vittorio-Arrigoni-Kidnapped-peace-activist-pictured-YouTube-dead-Gaza.html
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An irrelevant diversion to the point that the same terrorist tactics used by Hamas are the same terrorist tactics that were used by Zionists to create the modern state of Israel.
 
“We talk of the Turks and abhor the cannibals; but may not some of them go to heaven before some of us? We may have civilized bodies and yet barbarous souls. We are blind to the real sights of this world; deaf to its voices; and dead to its death.”

Herman Melville
 
Qatar’s aid and Iran’s arms compete in battered Gaza
The courtship of Hamas between rivals Iran and Qatar has been one of the Middle East’s intriguing subplots of the Arab Spring. The bloodshed in Gaza has now sharpened their competition for influence with the Palestinian militant group and the direction it takes in the future.
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Qatar has sought to use its vast wealth to win over Hamas with investments and humanitarian aid and encouraging Arab partners to do the same — part of the hyper-rich U.S. allied nation’s broader campaign to bring under its wing Islamist movements that have risen to power in the region the past two years. Qatar’s influence with Hamas could edge it away from armed action toward diplomacy.
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For Hamas, hyper-rich Qatar is a political and economic lifeline, a key part of the militant group’s attempts to bolster its ties with the Western-backed Gulf states in efforts gain more international legitimacy. Last month, Qatar’s emir became the first head of state to visit the Gaza Strip since Hamas took control five years ago. The Gulf state pledged nearly $500 million in aid and a song called “Thank you, Qatar” played on Gaza radio and TV as the emir was given a hero’s welcome.
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During the heat of the Gaza battle the past week, Qatar’s prime minister gave a blistering dressing down to the Arab League during an emergency meeting, saying Arab nations had to do more to fight Gaza’s poverty and isolation than just pass resolutions.
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orlandosentinel.com/business/nationworld/sns-ap-ml-mideast-gazas-suitors-20121123,0,3944827.story

The conflict in Syria, in which Hamas and Iran have backed opposing sides, put some distance between the two formerly good friends. However, Gaza’s desire for Iranian weapons, to replace the ones destroyed during the conflict with Israel, may bring Hamas and Iran closer together.
 
HansTrappist said:
An irrelevant diversion to the point that the same terrorist tactics used by Hamas are the same terrorist tactics that were used by Zionists to create the modern state of Israel.
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do you really think so?

well i think that they ae all relevant to what is happening to day…

btw… you have not give a reply to the
i said that it sounds like some body talking 1400 years ago.if that is mirrored in modern day then does that tell you some thing?
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to the modern day tv shows what the children in palestine watch on childrens tv?
 
I don’t think you can justify terrorism by saying that someone in the past was a terrorist. It doesn’t pass the morality test. If we did that there is no barbarism that would not be justified by finding an equivalency in our “enemy’s” ancestral past.

Also, if you carefully read the forum rules, such an arguement is not allowed on the forums 😉
 
JustaServant said:
“We talk of the Turks and abhor the cannibals; but may not some of them go to heaven before some of us? We may have civilized bodies and yet barbarous souls. We are blind to the real sights of this world; deaf to its voices; and dead to its death.”

Herman Melville
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Nice- bringin’ the Melville!
 
By these standards, there is hardly a country that is perfect, Falkland Islands, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq. Quite a long list.

It also seems now, if one reads events in Nigeria and Kenya, acts of retaliation seem to be happening to acts of Terror. It is a vicious circle.
 
doormouse73 said:
do you really think so?

well i think that they ae all relevant to what is happening to day…

btw… you have not give a reply to the

to the modern day tv shows what the children in palestine watch on childrens tv?
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When one lives next to a swamp, investing in fly-swatters will not solve the problem. The only solution is to find a way to drain the swamp. That begins with an understanding of the history of the swamp. Something that you don’t seem interested in doing here.
 
Great Britain is in NATO if you care to talk other countries down.

NATO bombed Serbia.
 
Result of the ceasefire agreement?

Protesters torch FJP headquarters in Alexandria

Political forces there have staged marches throughout the day to protest President Mohamed Morsy’s new constitutional declaration, which granted him unprecedented powers, gave immunity to the Constituent Assembly and the Shura Council, and made all of Morsy’s decisions since he took office legally unchallengeable.
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liveblog.egyptindependent.com/content/protesters-torch-fjp-headquarters-alexandria

Administration walking fine line with Egypt
video.foxnews.com/v/1986987752001/administration-walking-fine-line-with-egypt/?playlist_id=940325739001
 
 
My post above yours details stuff in the last two weeks which I am fairly sure is recent history
 
gilliam said:
I don’t think you can justify terrorism by saying that someone in the past was a terrorist. It doesn’t pass the morality test. If we did that there is no barbarism that would not be justified by finding an equivalency in our “enemy’s” ancestral past.

Also, if you carefully read the forum rules, such an arguement is not allowed on the forums 😉
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Overall, 544 rockets fired from Gaza hit Israel since the start of the operation, with an additional 290 intercepted by the Iron Dome system. The IDF targeted over 1,000 terror sites.

now you are saying that im saying that i cannot call any body terrorists.look at the first vidoe in this link and then tell me who is still in the oast.i think you will find his spirit is alive and kicking… or do you think that when you are dead you are forgotton?that would be a foolish though in my eyes…wouldnt it?

here is a good link … Live Updates: IDF Targeting Terrorist Sites…

idfblog.com/2012/11/14/live-updates-idf-terror-targets-gaza/

have a look were the hamas hold their arour and missiles…in civilian communities…
 
Hamas gunmen have shot dead six “traitors” suspected of being Israeli collaborators and attached messages to their bodies explaining that they have been executed by Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the organisation, according to a news agency report.

Witnesses told AFP that a minibus pulled up in a Gaza City neighbourhood on Tuesday and six men were pushed out and mown down by gunmen who remained seated inside.

One of the witnesses said: “Gunmen in a minibus pulled up in the neighbourhood, pushed six men out and shot them without leaving the vehicle.”

The witness said the messages pinned to the bodies read: “Al-Qassam Brigades announces the execution of the traitors.”

Five bodies were left in the street whereupon a mob stamped and spat on them, with some screaming “spy, spy”, according to AP.

A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets, the news agency said.

huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/20/israel-gaza-conflict-hamas_n_2165695.html?ncid=GEP
 
In an appeal for support for Israeli military action from the British public, Daniel Taub compares the Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli cities to Nazi Germany’s bombing raids on Britain during the Second World War.

Writing on The Huffington Post UK on Tuesday, Taub says that just as Hitler wanted to “terrorise and cow” the people of Britain with bombing raids on their cities, “over one million Israelis have been forced to live under similar conditions, seeking refuge in bomb shelters as a result of thousands of Hamas rocket and mortar attacks”.

huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/20/israel-gaza-conflict-hamas_n_2165695.html?ncid=GEP
 
Doormouse, I think you’re missing the point.
Your zeal in defending Israel, for whatever reason, is blinding you to seeing any other side of the equation.
Looking into the past 60 years of conflict in that region is required to understand what is going on NOW. There are consequences for decisions made long before we were born. That in no way justifies the violence, but it does help one understand what could be done for a solutions to arise. But that now seems unlikely.

Here’s what Patrick Buchanan (hardly a liberal) has to say:
Israel now looks north to a Lebanon where Hezbollah possesses more and better rockets than the metal-shop jobs Hamas fired off. Beyond lies a powerful Turkey whose prime minister just declared Israel a “terrorist” state.
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To the northeast lies Syria, where the 40-year truce on the Golan is unlikely to last after Bashar al-Assad falls and is replaced by a Sunni regime rooted in the Muslim Brotherhood, or becomes a failed state saturated with jihadists and loose chemical weapons.
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To the east lies Jordan, wracked by riots, a monarchy that looks to be a candidate for an Arab Spring uprising.
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To the south and west are Hamas, a Sinai that is a no man’s land, and an Egypt dominated by the Brotherhood, millions of whose people would like to see the Israeli peace treaty trashed.
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Israel is as isolated as she has been in a region that is more hostile to her presence than perhaps at any time since the war of ’48.
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The time of Yitzhak Rabin, when Israel had treaties with Egypt and Jordan and had entered into the Oslo Accords with Yasser Arafat’s PLO, seems ancient history. Looking back, with the Rabin assassination and Netanyahu accession, the window that appeared to be open may have closed for good.
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Israelis appear now to have entrusted their future to a U.S.-guaranteed military superiority — F-16s, smart bombs and an Iron Dome missile defense — rather than peace talks and parchment.
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Today, as Obama is being pushed toward another futile round of peacemaking in the Mideast, prodded to intervene in the ethnic-civil-sectarian war in Syria and goaded to draw a “red line” for war on Iran, he should ask himself:
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How would America’s vital interests be imperiled by staying out of this particular quarrel, conflict or war? Why are all of these crises somehow ours to resolve? What are the odds that we can resolve them?
We are out of Iraq, and leaving Afghanistan by 2014. Should we go back in, or as Obama pledged, do our “nation-building” here at home?
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Right now, the US is living by the sword.
Are we willing to die by the sword?
History is a harsh judge, and I fear we are on the wrong end of it.
 
JustaServant said:
Doormouse, I think you’re missing the point.
Your zeal in defending Israel, for whatever reason, is blinding you to seeing any other side of the equation.
Looking into the past 60 years of conflict in that region is required to understand what is going on NOW. There are consequences for decisions made long before we were born. That in no way justifies the violence, but it does help one understand what could be done for a solutions to arise. But that now seems unlikely.

Here’s what Patrick Buchanan (hardly a liberal) has to say:

Right now, the US is living by the sword.
Are we willing to die by the sword?
History is a harsh judge, and I fear we are on the wrong end of it.
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I’m not sure the US is living by the sword.

The thing is, left to it’s own devices, it appears Israel could do extreme damage to their enemies, if anything, the US has probably held Israel back at times.
 
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