Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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The leaflets are just propaganda. Tiny Gaza affords no safe place for civilians.

Politically, this Israeli operation will fail. Hamas will prevail in the end. I think, strategically, the Israeli operation is a mistake, based on the false premise that Hamas is a “terrorist” organization. In fact, it is a resistance movement which has support among the population. It won’t matter how many rockets they find and destroy or how many leaders they kill. New ones will arise to take their place. Every action Israel takes in this operation will only strengthen the hold Hamas has over Gaza’s population. That’s why resistance movements are so effective.

The only real chance Israel has if it really wants to put an end to the rocket fire is to begin serious negotiations with Hamas, which has demonstrated in the past a willingness to abide by truces.
Wasn’t it Hamas who broke the current cease-fire truce, or is this Israeli propaganda? Also, has Hamas ever indicated the least interest in serious negotiations regarding establishing a homeland for the Palestinian people and peace with Israel rather than its annihilation? Hamas may be a resistance movement but it is likewise a terrorist organization more radical than the PLO, which makes it very hard for Israel to trust. I don’t agree with Israel’s continuous formation of new settlements nor with the principle of occupation; however, it needs an organization at least willing to accept its right to exist to negotiate with.
 
Wasn’t it Hamas who broke the current cease-fire truce, or is this Israeli propaganda?
A five-hour ceasefire was unilaterally declared by Israel on Friday. They termed it a humanitarian gesture. Someone from Gaza lobbed three mortar shells during that ceasefire, but Israel did not respond.

The five hour ceasefire was not intended to be anything longer. My impression is that Israel was giving the people of Gaza a chance to restock the necessities of life, before the ground offensive began.

According to prior news reporting, Hamas seeks to undermine the peace process between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Until Hamas changes its position, or the people of Gaza reject Hamas for a more moderate voice, I think the violence will continue. What is tragic is that Hamas feels pressure to be more militant, in order to maintain public support. The public is unrelentingly hostile to Israel because of the tight restrictions imposed on them. Israel, in turn, needs to maintain tight restrictions because of the unrelenting violence from Gaza. A vicious circle exists which prevents moving towards peace, and I do not know how to overcome it.

Any suggestions would be welcome.
 
Would the Church recognize the state of Israel or would that not be the function of the Holy See, which does have an Apostolic Nunciature in Israel? I know its not proper usage, but I do tend to include the “Holy See” when I speak of “The Church” relative to political subjects.
Israel also as an embassy with the Holy See
embassies.gov.il/holysee-en/AboutTheEmbassy/Pages/The-Ambassador.aspx

insidethevatican.com/uncategorized/interview-zion-evrony-ambassador-israel-holy-see
 
Coatimundi
The five hour ceasefire was not intended to be anything longer. My impression is that Israel was giving the people of Gaza a chance to restock the necessities of life, before the ground offensive began.
How wonderful of them. :rolleyes:

Jim
 
As I understand it, the Vatican does not have an Israeli embassy.

Ambassador Evrony, is not an embassy but a representative to Israel.
He is Israel’s ambassador to the Holy See. Here is Vatican Radio’s coverage of his appointment:

Israel’s new ambassador to the Holy See, Zion Evrony says his country desires peace and is willing to make “huge” sacrifices to achieve it. Evrony encourages the Palestinian Authority to return to the negotiating table “without preconditions.”

The Israeli diplomat presented his credentials to Pope Benedict XVI in September 2012, becoming his country’s sixth ambassador to the Holy See. He was formerly Israel’s ambassador to Ireland (2006-2010).
en.radiovaticana.va/storico/2013/01/15/israeli_ambassdor_to_holy_see_on_papal_discourse_to_diplomats/en1-655804
 
He is Israel’s ambassador to the Holy See. Here is Vatican Radio’s coverage of his appointment:

Israel’s new ambassador to the Holy See, Zion Evrony says his country desires peace and is willing to make “huge” sacrifices to achieve it. Evrony encourages the Palestinian Authority to return to the negotiating table “without preconditions.”

The Israeli diplomat presented his credentials to Pope Benedict XVI in September 2012, becoming his country’s sixth ambassador to the Holy See. He was formerly Israel’s ambassador to Ireland (2006-2010).
en.radiovaticana.va/storico/2013/01/15/israeli_ambassdor_to_holy_see_on_papal_discourse_to_diplomats/en1-655804
I don’t know but, having an ambassador doesn’t mean there is an embassy in the Vatican.

Jim
 
I don’t know but, having an ambassador doesn’t mean there is an embassy in the Vatican.

Jim
But what is really the point? Does this somehow justify your contention that the Church does not recognize Israel because there isn’t an embassy and an ambassador doesn’t really count? Really?
 
It is not collective punishment it is total war. Something Uncle Billy knew something about. It really is the true course to peace.
 
But what is really the point? Does this somehow justify your contention that the Church does not recognize Israel because there isn’t an embassy and an ambassador doesn’t really count? Really?
I suppose it means having diplomatic with those in power without necessarily accepting them as a state.

Jim
 
This conflict may be harder to end than past Israel-Gaza conflicts.

But if the action on the ground has changed from past conflicts, so has the diplomatic horizon. Analysts said that political shifts among Palestinians and across the region had made the familiar paths to cease-fire agreements harder to find this time.

Hamas, financially desperate and politically isolated but rich in armaments, is desperate to score points with the public by either harming Israelis or curbing what it calls the siege that has plunged Gaza into economic and humanitarian disaster. Israel, under pressure internationally for expanding settlements in the West Bank and for the number of civilians killed, including about 65 children, in the 11-day assault on Gaza, wants mainly to disarm the militants.

“There’s a certain contradiction here,” said Itamar Rabinovich, a former Israeli diplomat and university president. “That’s what you need mediators for — you find that magic formula, constructive ambiguity, that enables both parties to claim achievement.

“Right now, those actors are not there.”

Washington, which has helped broker previous cease-fires, is consumed with other crises, and has diminished credibility in the Middle East. Egypt, which during the brief presidency of Mohamed Morsi strongly supported Hamas, now treats the group as an enemy, and is loath to let its rivals Qatar and Turkey play a significant diplomatic role to aid residents of Gaza.

That leaves President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority, an adversary of both Israel and Hamas, as the primary Palestinian interlocutor. Weak at home but increasingly active on the international stage, he shuttled from Cairo to Istanbul on Friday for what were described as cease-fire negotiations.
nytimes.com/2014/07/19/world/middleeast/israel-gaza.html
 
Fleeing Amid Airstrikes, Gazans Find Few Places to Be Safe

As the Israeli military pressed into the Gaza Strip, taking over areas near the boundary with Israel, the hardships facing civilians deepened. Israel cut off the electricity it supplies to the strip, which is almost all the electricity that comes to Gaza, local and international officials said. For days a blasted sewage pipe has leaked into drinking water, but workers have been unable to fix it because of the danger from airstrikes.

ll day and into the evening, air and artillery strikes continued. Where to be safe seemed a matter of guesswork; at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, members of one family said they had fled their home to an area they considered safer, only to be caught in a bombing at the hospital that killed a family member.

Now, the electricity authority is reducing the supply from 12 hours a day to between three and six, depending on the area. The United Nations provides fuel for generators at hospitals and other crucial facilities, but officials are concerned they will break down if run nearly all day.

Gaza’s infrastructure has been deteriorating for years, with budget crises and Israeli import restrictions that mean spare parts are lacking for even routine repairs. Now, said Monzer Shublaq, the head of the water authority, repairs are falling even further behind, with workers refusing to visit sites without guarantees of their safety, a request they say has received no Israeli response.

He listed the worst problems: Raw sewage is pouring into the sea from a treatment plant damaged when a security office nearby was hit. Another sewer line damaged in a strike is contaminating drinking water. And a pipeline supplying 150,000 people has been out of service for days after also being hit.
nytimes.com/2014/07/19/world/middleeast/fleeing-amid-airstrikes-gazans-find-few-places-to-be-safe.html
 
Palestinians in Gaza should be paid billions in reparation for the land and homes they lost in southern Israel in 1947-48.
Most of that land was legally purchased from absentee landlords. No one one in t heir right mind would pay for land twice.
he ban on Palestinian exports must be lifted.
It will be once the incentive of the Israelis is to allow it. Now it is used at a deterrent for terrorism.
The ban on importation of building materials must be lifted.
To allow allow a free avenue for weapon importation. I think not.
Gaza’s water crisis must be resolved.

Gaza’s electricity generation should be shifted to solar energy with international aid.
All granted once the Palestinians accept peace.
 
Seraphim,what would you ask for from an Israelite perspective?
What is it you want?
 
It was relevant for me to understand what you meant! 🙂
As someone who taught english as a second language you seem to have a good command of english.
That’s so kind of you…Thank you!
I wish I did not have to edit nearly every post to make corrections:eek:
 
The bottom line is the same situation from 09 and 2012 is happening and we could expect the same results. Israel doesn’t want the strip of land. But they are not having the missiles lobbed into Israel daily, and further the tunnel system is woeful living and needed to be minimized. This is just buying time imho especially with Iran and the nuclear development.

People are dying because of Hamas.
 
Vatican says agreement will not recognize Israeli occupation
By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service
ROME (CNS) – An eventual agreement between Israel and the Vatican over property taxes and property rights in no way will imply that the Vatican recognizes Israel’s claims over East Jerusalem and the West Bank, a top Vatican official said.
Vatican and Israeli representatives are continuing their long-running negotiations over the legal and financial status of Catholic Church property in Israel, but the Vatican has excluded from the discussion property located in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, said Msgr. Ettore Balestrero, the Vatican undersecretary for relations with states.
Prior to the Vatican-Israeli commission’s negotiating session June 12 at the Vatican, news reports from Israel and the Palestinian territories suggested that the Vatican would indirectly recognize Israeli control over the disputed territories by negotiating how Israel would tax church property, including in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, which Israel annexed in 1967.
So although there have been diplomatic relations between the Vatican and Israel, it’s a strained relationship as this article shows.

Jim
 
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