Michael, since you mention negotiating compromise, do you see this happening in this particular conflict?
As Golda Meir said peace will never come until Palestinians come to love their Children more than they hate the Jews.
I understand.
I would say until the Palestinians acknowledge Israel’s right to exist no peace is possible.
And there it is.
It was relevant for me to understand what you meant!Glad to hear I have been forgiven.
Yes, I live 10/14 hours flight from you.
The American or South American chat is not really relevant. It was only meant for the purpose of illustrating that narratives can be really even opposite stories over one word…and the issue of conflict over identity.
I appreciate historical references,and I have been reading too.
Peace and thank you,7Sorrows.
They live in slums entirely by their own choice. To move out of them removes a powerful propaganda tool. There is already a Palestinian state in Jordan right next door. They’ve been offered another state multiple times and have turned it down every single time responding with terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians after each offer. Doesn’t serve the interest of those in power to have the conflict end. Then they have to take responsibility for the plight of their people instead of blaming someone else.
The State of Israel was recognized by the United Nations in 1948 and it’s existence is legal by every single standard of international law. No one can deny that. The new nation was then immediately attacked by the combined armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq with the intention of pushing the Israelis into the sea and exterminating them. Over the course of multiple, legal defensive wars in which Israel defended itself against multiple Arab armies it captured various territories. Capturing enemy territories in defensive wars is legal under any and all international legal standards. No one can deny that. Israel then began to negotiate with the aggressors for the return of captured territories in exchange for peace.
Jordan was set up at the same time-funny no ones calls them illegitimate. Jordan was supposed to be the Palestinian State but it serves the tyrants in the middle east much better to keep the Palestinians crammed into slums and perpetually mad at Israel-keeps them and the citizens of the surrounding Arab Countries from realizing who is really abusing them
to this post by estesbob and also posts by seraphim73.Again how do you negotiate with people who refuse to recognize your right to exist?
I agree with the bolded, and as far as I know, that stance has been taken in international law, that military personnel are not to hide themselves or weaponry among civilian populations. Hamas has to be held accountable for what amounts to war crimes against, oddly enough, their own people.
A country is not a person. I have heard of refusal to recognize the existence of the ***state ***of Israel, but never refusal to recognize the right of existence of the Jews as a people. I stand open to correction, if that is a inaccurate understanding of the facts.
A distinction without a difference. Again how do you negotiate a settlement with a people who deny you right to existence?
Both sides have to take responsibility. Israel has a history of disproportionate responses, partly I believe, because of the relative disproportional value accorded to lives on either side (see my comment above). One example is the recent “turning upside down of everything Palestinian” in response to the teens’ kidnapping, vs the more vastly more measured (and ironically, more successful) search, for the Palestinian kid’s murderer. If you are bigger, you have a greater responsibility to play fair - even children on the playground know that.
So are you of the school that sees any criticism of the State of Israel as an anti-Semitic attack? Obama must wish he was Jewish and the leader of Israel instead…
So what is a proportionate response to having 70 to 80 rockets a day launched at you? Funny you should mention the response to the murder of teenagers-Hamas praised the kidnapping of Israeli teens-Israel quickly arrested the murderers of the Palestinian teen. There simply is no moral equivalence between the two sides. Were the situation reversed the Palestinians would have long since wiped Israel off the face of the earth-as they already tried to twice.