Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

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Gnjsdad , what would you consider assertive and effective steps for the purpose of negociating peace on both sides.?

What do you want to see happen ?

Thanks.
Briefly, Hamas must agree to stop the rocket fire. In return, Israel must lift the siege of Gaza. It is imperative that the economic blockade end.

I have posted a few suggestions (as well as a link) in #235 earlier in this thread.
 
Oh, and Israel is losing nothing here.
Losing nothing? They are in an absolute panic over the FAA decision to ban flights to Israel over one rocket that landed within a mile of Ben Gurion airport.

Israel is losing public support all over the world. There are even signs that its support in the US is beginning to erode – ever so small signs, but signs nonetheless. Our media is actually starting to take a look at the Palestinian side! Israel absolutely cannot survive without the support of the US.
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The fact that they haven’t turned the Gaza into glass by now show remarkable restraint.
I think this is blatant moral relativism. If I only kill 1 innocent person when I could easily have killed 50 should be taken as a sign of my moral rectitude?
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freeRadical:
No other country would put up with what Israel puts up with, including the US.
No other country in this modern era dishes out the punishment Israel dishes out to its Palestinian citizens and subjects. The world has move on from settler colonialism. Israel and its US allies don’t seem to have gotten the message.
 
Briefly, Hamas must agree to stop the rocket fire. In return, Israel must lift the siege of Gaza. It is imperative that the economic blockade end.

I have posted a few suggestions (as well as a link) in #235 earlier in this thread.
How do you stop a terrorist organization from permanently launching rockets into Israel when their stated mission is to retake the land that is now the state of Israel, i.e., the only thing that is going to stop Hamas is if Israel ceases to exist?
 
Israel is losing public support all over the world. There are even signs that its support in the US is beginning to erode – ever so small signs, but signs nonetheless. Our media is actually starting to take a look at the Palestinian side! Israel absolutely cannot survive without the support of the US.
So what if they lose public support, i.e., the world in modern times has always been prejudiced towards Israel thanks to leftist policies/ideologies that have infiltrated many institutions in the West including the U.N.?
No other country in this modern era dishes out the punishment Israel dishes out to its Palestinian citizens and subjects. The world has move on from settler colonialism. Israel and its US allies don’t seem to have gotten the message.
Bull, there are far worse countries with far worse track records, yet the U.N. focuses on Israel because it is convenient to do so (let’s not forget the Middle Eastern Bloc which has a lot of clout in the U.N.).
 
30 Israeli dead = speck of dust in Palistines eye
631 + Palestinian dead = Plank in Israel’s eye.
 
Briefly, Hamas must agree to stop the rocket fire. In return, Israel must lift the siege of Gaza. It is imperative that the economic blockade end.

I have posted a few suggestions (as well as a link) in #235 earlier in this thread.
I did.
It sounds to me your concerns are basic needs which generally speaking are non negotiable.
I also read what another poster answered which were mainly security concerns from the other perspective which generally speaking is another non negotiable .
There is a third non negotiable , and that is values.
Would you tell me from your perspective which values are at play in this conflict ?
 
Given how tiny and densely populated Gaza is, and given that no evidence in support of this assertion has surfaced, I would say the answer to this is no.
This is an admission they have done it in the past
youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
More recent:
breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/07/08/Israel-Tweets-Photo-of-Hamas-Using-Human-Shields
huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/hamas-is-responsible-for_b_155261.html
From the Hamas Charter: “Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.”
For all intents and purposes, Israel is targeting children. They know the characteristics of Gaza that I mentioned above. They know the likelihood is extremely high that when they lob shells at urban buildings, that they are going to hit a large number of civilians. Knowing these things beforehand and shelling such areas nevertheless, constitutes a war crime.
What you are saying is that there really is no kind of a response Israel can make that is not “targeting of children”. While you condemn Hamas’ actions, Israel cannot respond because of the density of people in Gaza. It is not a war crime to target your enemies weapons.
 
30 Israeli dead = speck of dust in Palistines eye
631 + Palestinian dead = Plank in Israel’s eye.
So you didn’t want to answer my other questions, how about a different one:

Do you believe it is possible to make peace with someone who does not believe you have the right to exist?
 
So you didn’t want to answer my other questions, how about a different one:

Do you believe it is possible to make peace with someone who does not believe you have the right to exist?
If Israel relies on infanticide to exist does it deserve to exist?
Over 700 palastinian dead now in less than 3 weeks, 0 Israeli civilians.
Even UN, EU and John Kerry starting to raise eye brows at the Satanic levels of slaughter, over which by the way the Zionists gather to drink wine and cheer at every night. Reminiscent of a black mass.

I am proud to be a Christian, because of this i oppose all murder of children, i despair others do not feel likewise on here.
 
I am proud to be a Christian, because of this i oppose all murder of children, i despair others do not feel likewise on here.
I’m proud to be a Christian too. I want peace. But I do realize that the death of Palestinian children is on the hands of Hamas. They fired the rockets. They hide rockets near children. Hamas ended the cease-fire. Hamas does not recognize Israel’s right to exist…from their charter: “The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’”

or this: "“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

or this:“Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.”

or this: “Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.”

Why do you defend them?
 
If Israel relies on infanticide to exist does it deserve to exist?
Over 700 palastinian dead now in less than 3 weeks, 0 Israeli civilians.
Even UN, EU and John Kerry starting to raise eye brows at the Satanic levels of slaughter, over which by the way the Zionists gather to drink wine and cheer at every night. Reminiscent of a black mass.

I am proud to be a Christian, because of this i oppose all murder of children, i despair others do not feel likewise on here.
“Satanic levels of slaughter”?? Do you realize that close to 2000 people were murdered/slaughtered by ISIS within a period of 48 hours just last week, and that they continue to kill, torture and ethnically cleanse the regions they conquer of all Christians? Yet where are the mass protestations/rallies around the world against the outrageous evils perpetrated by this lslamic group? Where is the outrage??? Where is the E.U, U.S. and /or the rest of the world? Where is the media condemning these acts of violence perpetrated by Muslim terrorists?? Where are the Muslims voicing their outrage for the innocent deaths committed by their co-religionists?? All I hear is silence.

The fact of the matter is that there are more Muslims being killed by Muslims throughout the world than there are Jews killing Palestinians. Moreover, Israel did not initiate this crisis, Hamas brought it upon themselves because they are only capable of hate, death and destruction, it’s imbued in their charter, and it’s imbued in each and every member of Hamas.
 
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The fact of the matter is that there are more Muslims being killed by Muslims throughout the world than there are Jews killing Palestinians. Moreover, Israel did not initiate this crisis, Hamas brought it upon themselves because they are only capable of hate, death and destruction, it’s imbued in their charter, and it’s imbued in each and every member of Hamas.
Hamas is an insurgent movement (thanks to Israeli policy) that uses terrorist tactics. If the Hamas charter poses and has always posed such an existential threat to Israel, why did the Israelis support and nurture Hamas when it was first founded?

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

It’s not an exaggeration to say that Israel made Hamas what it is today.
 
Hamas is an insurgent movement (thanks to Israeli policy) that uses terrorist tactics. If the Hamas charter poses and has always posed such an existential threat to Israel, why did the Israelis support and nurture Hamas when it was first founded?

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

It’s not an exaggeration to say that Israel made Hamas what it is today.
That is a rethoric question , isn’ t it ?
You provided the article : they made an " enormous , stupid " mistake. Quoting.
What is the difference between a " resistance movement " an insurgent movement " and a " terrorist group " under the same objective ?
What is it you are trying to explain ? I do not understand you now.
Their reason to live is destroying sb else. This constitutes their identity. Without this they cease to be…
I believed you were aiming at conveying a different message. Am I wrong ?
 
Hamas … that uses terrorist tactics.
Yes , here we have reached full agreement.
I have been through this one.
They are very shrewd at camouflaging their own speech into someone else’s…They are keen at using the weak and identidifying need to take over as a solution so much so that we make the mistake of using the word Palestinians as f they were all terrorists.
You may be speaking in good faith and I do not doubt your good intentions , the issue is that sometimes there is no other voice for the weak , desperate or afflicted and people fall in good faith. Only to be used a a means to an end which is stated in the article you provided.
God bless you Gnsjdad.
 
Hamas is an insurgent movement (thanks to Israeli policy) that uses terrorist tactics. If the Hamas charter poses and has always posed such an existential threat to Israel, why did the Israelis support and nurture Hamas when it was first founded?

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

It’s not an exaggeration to say that Israel made Hamas what it is today.
So we are to blame Israel for the state of affairs that it is currently in, i.e., Hamas bears no responsibility for the violence it’s been committing even though Israeli troops/civilians have left the Gaza strip for nigh a decade?? Are we also to assume that if Israeli policies were less stringent, terrorist groups like Hamas would not exist, i.e., groups that simply do not believe Israel has a right to exist (remember the real issue here is the fact that Palestinians were displaced from their homeland by Jews with the help of the West)? Do you also know that antisemitism or Jew hatred existed even prior to the creation of Israel, i.e., the Muslim Brotherhood along with the Grand Mufti were admirers and good friends of Hitler so much so that they fought for him? Are you aware that once the state of Israel was created, which by the way, would not have existed were it not for the collective guilt of the West over atrocities committed against the Jews in WWII, the Muslim Brotherhood fought against the new fledgling country’s right to exist? Did you know that the MB created Hamas and taught it early on to hate Jews (reading the Mein Kampf which was translated by the MB in the 30’s and entitled “My Jihad”), instituting the Hitler salute which is used to this day?
 
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