Israel 'ready for escalation' of Gaza conflict

[jeannetherese]

BBC posts extensive report including photos, newscasts, and U.N. and U.S. responses (link posted below title and excerpt)

“Gaza crisis: Rafah school strike ‘criminal’ - UN chief” (Title of Article)

Excerpt:

"Mr Ban described Sunday’s attack as “yet another gross violation of international humanitarian law”, and said Israel had regularly been informed of the precise location of the school.

“This madness must stop,” he said in a statement.

The incident follows the shelling of a Jabaliya shelter last week, which killed 16 people.

Ms Psaki called for an investigation into attacks on UN schools.

“The United States is appalled by today’s disgraceful shelling outside an Unrwa school in Rafah sheltering some 3,000 displaced persons,” she said in a statement.

The latest official figures from Gaza’s health ministry say that more than 1,750 Palestinians have been killed and more than 9,000 injured since the conflict began more than three weeks ago.

UN regional humanitarian coordinator James Rawley told the BBC 330 of the dead were children.

“We are killing about one child every hour right now,” he said.

He added that more than 80% of those killed were civilians, though Israel disputes this figure."

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28632287

 

[Tomdstone]

Difficult to know that Israel is the cause as indicated above…

U.N. officials say more than three-quarters of the dead have been civilians, including the 10 people killed Sunday at a U.N. school that has been converted into a shelter in the southern town of Rafah.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the attack a “moral outrage and a criminal act”
“In language that was rare in its directness and severity, the U.S. denounced in a statement issued Sunday the attack earlier in the day that killed 10 people, noting that the school had been designated a protected location.
“The coordinates of the school, like all UN facilities in Gaza, have been repeatedly communicated to the Israel Defense Forces,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in the statement. “We once again stress that Israel must do more to meet its own standards and avoid civilian casualties.””
huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/03/un-school-shelling-_n_5645771.html

 

[graciew]

By “jettisoning” I just meant that the Israeli narrative should be completely ignored, and the Hamas narrative should also be completely ignored. Jettison as in, throw it overboard and get all of the lies completely out of our heads.

Something tells me you would probably enjoy this video. It’s a 60 Minutes show on Palestinian Christians. I personally found it eye opening. It’s from 2010, but it’s still relevant to the current military attacks against the Palestinian populace:

cbsnews.com/news/christians-of-the-holy-land/

Thank you. Of course I’ll watch the video.
I’m learning many new words in these threads…

 

[Coatimundi]

Ms Aisha Zidan is upset that her truthful reporting is now being used to show the truth of Israeli claims that the reason some of their rockets hit schools and hospitals is that Hamas uses the schools and hospital to fire from.

No, she is upset that her words were twisted into what you just claimed. According to her, she said the rockets were fired near the hospital. She did not say they were fired from hospital grounds.

 

[trdchubi]

BBC posts extensive report including photos, newscasts, and U.N. and U.S. responses (link posted below title and excerpt)

“Gaza crisis: Rafah school strike ‘criminal’ - UN chief” (Title of Article)

Excerpt:

"Mr Ban described Sunday’s attack as “yet another gross violation of international humanitarian law”, and said Israel had regularly been informed of the precise location of the school.

“This madness must stop,” he said in a statement.

The incident follows the shelling of a Jabaliya shelter last week, which killed 16 people.

Ms Psaki called for an investigation into attacks on UN schools.

“The United States is appalled by today’s disgraceful shelling outside an Unrwa school in Rafah sheltering some 3,000 displaced persons,” she said in a statement.

The latest official figures from Gaza’s health ministry say that more than 1,750 Palestinians have been killed and more than 9,000 injured since the conflict began more than three weeks ago.

UN regional humanitarian coordinator James Rawley told the BBC 330 of the dead were children.

“We are killing about one child every hour right now,” he said.

He added that more than 80% of those killed were civilians, though Israel disputes this figure."

bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28632287

Why is it that a few days ago, Mr. Ban was only "alarmed"and "outraged"about this. He only expressed “regret” when Rockets were found at a UN Gaza school. He did not even condemned those responsible for the placement of this ammunition that endangered the lives of the UN workers and civilian staying in the facility, And now he states strong words denouncing Israel for striking that UNRWA compound. I think he knew that it is coming.

Why is it the real culprits, the real cause of the Rocket strikes, does not recieve the same condemnation from this Global organization?

For the record this is the THIRD Rocket Arsenal Found At UN School In Gaza.

 

[Coatimundi]

The rockets have been found at vacant UN schools. They have not been found in the schools which are used as refugee centers.

The rockets are not a justification for attacking the refugee centers. Israeli military officials have stated this.

 

[St_Francis]

No, she is upset that her words were twisted into what you just claimed. According to her, she said the rockets were fired near the hospital. She did not say they were fired from hospital grounds.

According to the translation, she said the rockets were fired from close enough to the hospital to make a very loud sound at the hospital. That’s obviously close enough to endanger the hospital.

Which is precisely the point.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Thank you. Of course I’ll watch the video.
I’m learning many new words in these threads…

I just thought I’d mention this great movie that came out last year:

thestonescryoutmovie.com/

Unfortunately, though, it’s not free, or else I would post a link to the actual film itself.

Sorry, I don’t want to inundate you with movies and videos!

(Also, I hope it’s not against CAF rules to link to film/commercial site…)

 

[Coatimundi]

According to the translation, she said the rockets were fired from close enough to the hospital to make a very loud sound at the hospital. That’s obviously close enough to endanger the hospital.

Which is precisely the point.

But that is different from what you said earlier. And it is different from what certain bloggers have claimed she said. It is an important difference. It is the basis for the reporter’s objection.

I think it is well known that Hamas fires rockets in close proximity to civilian residences and facilities.

 

[gnjsdad]

The rockets have been found at vacant UN schools. They have not been found in the schools which are used as refugee centers.

The rockets are not a justification for attacking the refugee centers. Israeli military officials have stated this.

It should say something when even the US State Dept says it’s ‘appalled’ by this latest Israeli atrocity.

Has Netanyahu completely lost the recognition of how utterly dependent he and his country are on the United States? While there is little chance that the US will become anti-Israel, there is a growing chance that the US will become indifferent to the fate of Israel. It is beyond stupidity and arrogance!

 

[St_Francis]

But that is different from what you said earlier. And it is different from what certain bloggers have claimed she said. It is an important difference. It is the basis for the reporter’s objection.

I wrote: It seems like **whether it was in the backyard or simply behind the hospital, ***t was very close to the hospital to have caused such a loud sound.

I think it is well known that Hamas fires rockets in close proximity to civilian residences and facilities.

Considering the reactions of people of Israeli targets, I don’t think this is well-known at all. It sounds like most people think it is Israel who indiscriminately targets civilian areas in Gaza rather than the other way around.*

 

[graciew]

I just thought I’d mention this great movie that came out last year:

thestonescryoutmovie.com/

Unfortunately, though, it’s not free, or else I would post a link to the actual film itself.

Sorry, I don’t want to inundate you with movies and videos!

(Also, I hope it’s not against CAF rules to link to film/commercial site…)

Oh! I hope it isn’t against CAF rules
We will be judged by love…
No,to tell you the truth,this thread is like " time for me" , I read the articles,the posts,I think about what is being said…feel free to inundate me with movies and videos as long as we are in line with our CAF " guys"
Thank you!

 

[Exiled_Child]

Oh! I hope it isn’t against CAF rules
We will be judged by love…
No,to tell you the truth,this thread is like " time for me" , I read the articles,the posts,I think about what is being said…feel free to inundate me with movies and videos as long as we are in line with our CAF " guys"
Thank you!

Yeah, I’m kind of the same way. I tend to lurk and read more than I actually comment. Actually, since you don’t mind the links, here are two more. When the always sweet and lovable Albert Einstein talks about “Israeli terrorists” he doesn’t mince words:

deiryassin.org/einstein.html
archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

I wonder if Albert Einstein is “anti-Semitic” for comparing Israelis to Nazis?

 

[graciew]

Yeah, I’m kind of the same way. I tend to lurk and read more than I actually comment. Actually, since you don’t mind the links, here are two more. When the always sweet and lovable Albert Einstein talks about “Israeli terrorists” he doesn’t mince words:

deiryassin.org/einstein.html
archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

I wonder if Albert Einstein is “anti-Semitic” for comparing Israelis to Nazis?

Thank you,I’ ll read them.
If you believe the videos or links are not addressed to all posters in the thread,or may not be directly related to the present conflict,I understand the rules are to use private messaging. So you can use this means if you wish.
Thanks !

 

[Exiled_Child]

Thank you,I’ ll read them.
If you believe the videos or links are not addressed to all posters in the thread,or may not be directly related to the present conflict,I understand the rules are to use private messaging. So you can use this means if you wish.
Thanks !

Oh, okay! I didn’t actually know that. And many thanks for permission to private message you!

 

[ishii]

I just thought I’d mention this great movie that came out last year:

thestonescryoutmovie.com/

Unfortunately, though, it’s not free, or else I would post a link to the actual film itself.

Sorry, I don’t want to inundate you with movies and videos!

(Also, I hope it’s not against CAF rules to link to film/commercial site…)

camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=2650

This site explains how this movie basically distorts the issue and totally ignores the role of Islam in the Israeli- Palestine issue. Basically it’s anti- Israeli propaganda you’ve linked to. The larger question is why do so many in the west - including many Catholics ignore the fact that Israel is surrounded by hostile powers which want to destroy it. I would like to know why so many Catholics take such an anti- Israel view.

Ishii

 

[St_Francis]

Yeah, I’m kind of the same way. I tend to lurk and read more than I actually comment. Actually, since you don’t mind the links, here are two more. When the always sweet and lovable Albert Einstein talks about “Israeli terrorists” he doesn’t mince words:

deiryassin.org/einstein.html
archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

I wonder if Albert Einstein is “anti-Semitic” for comparing Israelis to Nazis?

Thank you,I’ ll read them.
If you believe the videos or links are not addressed to all posters in the thread,or may not be directly related to the present conflict,I understand the rules are to use private messaging. So you can use this means if you wish.
Thanks !

Gracie W,
For slightly over 30 years, I’ve been hearing about the actual mess at Deir Yassin, which occurred in 1948, as *the *definitive proof that the Israelis are *now *acting as terrorists. And not a whole lot else. Many of the “crimes” ascribed to Israel were later found to be untrue, like the situation during the Battle of Jenin.

So the relationship between the Arabs and various Arab groups and Israel has a lot of stories. There is a lot of history involved, and there are a lot of differences in attitudes at the various times covered. I suggest that you look into what independent sources (like those who strove for neutrality, those who changed their minds upon reviewing the information, etc) and both sides have to say and base your judgement on *facts *rather than emotion-laden propaganda. Remember too the Biblical injunction I mentioned earlier in this thread: “'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly,” (Lev 19:15) but judge based on morality of action.

 

[trdchubi]

The rockets have been found at vacant UN schools. They have not been found in the schools which are used as refugee centers.

The rockets are not a justification for attacking the refugee centers. Israeli military officials have stated this.

Right, but still Hamas violated UN protocols. That makes them “criminals” according to Mr. Bans brand of words. They are the real cause of the problem.

Apparently the IDF Air strike ‘targeted vehicle outside UN-run Gaza school’ most likely used as a get away vehicle by the not-so- brave hamas terrorists and not the UNRWA facility itself.

An NBC reporter’s tweet supports this: “those killed and injured were apparently around the gate of UN school. not a direct hit inside the school compound”. But eventually he took it down, maybe for fear of backlash from his news agency and the UN that states otherwise.

 

[trdchubi]

It should say something when even the US State Dept says it’s ‘appalled’ by this latest Israeli atrocity.

Who in the world is Jen Psaki. Where is John Kerry. He should have stated that. Yes it says a ton about the leadership of the US State Dept.

Has Netanyahu completely lost the recognition of how utterly dependent he and his country are on the United States? While there is little chance that the US will become anti-Israel, there is a growing chance that the US will become indifferent to the fate of Israel. It is beyond stupidity and arrogance!

It’s the other way around. The US is dependent on Israel success in fighting terrorism. You should very well know that Israel is doing a fine job handling these extremists from infiltrating and terrorizing American Society. If they cant win against the “Little Satan” they can’t very much win against the "Great Satan"and I think you know who that is.

Hamas has the US on their target lists. Your tax dollars are use for a good cause, protecting Israeli citizens and eventually you and the rest of the american people who value life and freedom. Can you say that to UNRWA?

 

[graciew]

Gracie W,
For slightly over 30 years, I’ve been hearing about the actual mess at Deir Yassin, which occurred in 1948, as *the *definitive proof that the Israelis are *now *acting as terrorists. And not a whole lot else. Many of the “crimes” ascribed to Israel were later found to be untrue, like the situation during the Battle of Jenin.

So the relationship between the Arabs and various Arab groups and Israel has a lot of stories. There is a lot of history involved, and there are a lot of differences in attitudes at the various times covered. I suggest that you look into what independent sources (like those who strove for neutrality, those who changed their minds upon reviewing the information, etc) and both sides have to say and base your judgement on *facts *rather than emotion-laden propaganda. Remember too the Biblical injunction I mentioned earlier in this thread: “'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly,” (Lev 19:15) but judge based on morality of action.

I do not know if the movie is related to the thread so I do not want to address it now and be off topic.
Thank you.