Issues other than abortion

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“Pro-choice,” a euphemism in the same league as “womens’ reproductive health.”
Because “intentional homicide” just sounds so…final. Maybe even…wrong.
 
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Choice. The person is offered the opportunity to determine what they want to do.
Some people make right choices and some make wrong choices.
Whether it be elections, education, jobs, use of substances, etc.
I do not like abortion, but that is my opinion and that is my choice.
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I’m probably going to regret this, but it’s almost Lent and I’m a glutton for punishment…

Let’s take this a step back and address human “choice” in general, not specific to abortion. Do you believe that it is ever just, good, moral, imperative (pick your choice of word) to infringe on an individual’s choice to commit a particular action? Can we ever say that a particular “choice” is utterly intolerable?
 
I 'm awaiting the answer with baited breath.
(misspelling intentional)
 
I once called in to Mother Angelica Live tv program in the late 80’s to make this very point. We might WANT the end to all abortion but just preaching about abortion might not change anybody’s mind. What I suggested was that those choosing abortion and many others in different situations needed to be evangelized in a general way.

She disagreed.

She said abortion was the biggest problem to be solved.
 
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c1949 said:
I suggested was that those choosing abortion and many others in different situations needed to be evangelized in a general way.

She disagreed.

She said abortion was the biggest problem to be solved.
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As do I. The whole Pro Life movement is about saving lives. That’s it. Plain and simple. If you are coming about it in any other way then it is an attempt to equate one’s political agenda ( climate change, gun control, etc) with abortion.

If we truly believe that life begins at conception and that stopping an abortion (at any stage) is saving a life then that should be our primary concern and we should vote accordingly.
 
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Is there any evidence that I should take into consideration before I consider that statement as being true?
 
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Instead of pro-life, why not a rebrand “pro-birth” because after the child is born there does not seem to be all that much concern about the quality of the child’s life, including child health care, education and other quality of life issues.
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From what perspective?
 
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I 'm awaiting the answer with baited breath.
(misspelling intentional)
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Oh I’m hopeful. Probably naively so. (S)he only ignored the last two times @blackforest made the same point. (S)he then went on to respond to a post by blackforest posted after the initial post which prompted the response.

I’m with blackforest on this. I can respect that you disagree with me on the personhood of a fetus, but I cannot respect you believing that an issue possibly involving the destruction of a human life is nothing more than an individual’s “choice”.
 
Abortion is indeed a very serious problem to be solved but the means to solving it is conversion as a result of some amount of evangelization.

Maybe I’m still wrong, or at least not making myself clear. It’s good to know.
 
YourNameHere said:
Choice. The person is offered the opportunity to determine what they want to do.
Some people make right choices and some make wrong choices.
Whether it be elections, education, jobs, use of substances, etc.
I do not like abortion, but that is my opinion and that is my choice.
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Sacrifice.

as in child sacrifice
 
The point of my examples (e.g. porn actress working herself out of poverty) is that all of those adult people affected by social problems such as poverty, broken immigration system, domestic violence, substance abuse, etc. were once upon a time unborn children. So to be prolife shouldn’t just be about seeing to it that they are carried to term (born), but that their lives are continually cared for and cherished. Social justice is for all of those lives you believe should have been born.

Therefore, to address those social problems is to address problems that affected people who were once in the womb.

Also, to address social problems is to understand that making abortion illegal doesn’t magic away the conditions thst prompted a woman to choose abortion in the first place. So while we work for and “wait” for the day that protection of the unborn is enshrined in the law, we can also work for policies that in the meantime decrease the desirability and demand for a abortion. Do you see the difference? There are plenty of surveys that have been done on women who have had abortions and what their stated reasons were.
 
Feel free, tell people what You think about each of these issues. I am interested!
 
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Also, to address social problems is to understand that making abortion illegal doesn’t magic away the conditions thst prompted a woman to choose abortion in the first place. So while we work for and “wait” for the day that protection of the unborn is enshrined in the law, we can also work for policies that in the meantime decrease the desirability and demand for a abortion. Do you see the difference? There are plenty of surveys that have been done on women who have had abortions and what their stated reasons were.
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I agree with that. Working to enshrine the right to life of the unborn in the law does not mean that we can’t support the other issues. However if one candidate supports the right to life of the unborn but I disagree with their polices on poverty etc and the other is good on poverty etc but supports legal the one who supports the right to life of the unborn will get my vote.
 
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The GOP is counting on voters like you.
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And I don’t care.

Anyone who supports legal abortion tells me something important about them. They are prepared to define humanity based on convenience. Some day I might be the one they decide is not a person so they won’t be getting my vote.
 
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