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The “War on Poverty” in the 1960s was actually a huge success
Was it?
The biggest drop took place before the bill was even signed. Was the reason for this steep decline the reason for the rest of the decline and the money thrown at it a waste of money? My guess is yes since it hasn’t changed much since.
 
Was it?
The biggest drop took place before the bill was even signed. Was the reason for this steep decline the reason for the rest of the decline and the money thrown at it a waste of money? My guess is yes since it hasn’t changed much since.
In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. Ten years later, it was 11.2 percent. Particularly, the rate of black poverty in America plummeted in the mid-1960s.
 
In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. Ten years later, it was 11.2 percent. Particularly, the rate of black poverty in America plummeted in the mid-1960s.
yes, but was the original drop the cause or the government programs? you really can’t prove which
 
I cannot verify the accuracy of this data, but if it is right then the drop in the poverty rate since 1965 is entirely due to programs for those over 65. The poverty rates for everyone else have gone up.
 
overty, physical abuse, drug and other substance abuse, corruption, and so many other things.
I would like to see my brother and sister Catholics address these issues.
Yes, there are many life issues that must be considered, supported and lived in order to actually be pro-life.
 
How do you see gone up for any group?

Poverty rates for the elderly have gone down by the most, but the 2013 numbers are lower in every case than the 1959 numbers.

Under 18: 1959 – 27.3%, 2013 – 19.9%
18-64: 1959 – 17.0%, 2013 – 13.6%
65 and up:1959 – 35.2%, 2013 – 9.5%

Highlights the fact that the boomer generation holds most of the wealth in the US. They got while the getting was good and then made things worse economically for the next generations!
 
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Poverty rates for the elderly have gone down by the most, but the 2013 numbers are lower in every case than the 1959 numbers.
The War on Poverty was started under Johnson in about 1965. Yes, poverty rates tumbled after 1959, but the biggest drop was before the “war” even started. If you look at the numbers from 1965 on you will see that the rates have gone down only for those over 65, for everyone else they have increased.
 
In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. Ten years later, it was 11.2 percent. Particularly, the rate of black poverty in America plummeted in the mid-1960s.
I am going to quote my post above:

In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. Ten years later, it was 11.2 percent. Particularly, the rate of black poverty in America plummeted in the mid-1960s.
 
In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. Ten years later, it was 11.2 percent. Particularly, the rate of black poverty in America plummeted in the mid-1960s.
Yes, but this may have had nothing to do with the programs but due in part to the cause of the drop that started in 1959. You can not prove the programs caused the drop through 1974.
 
In 1964, the poverty rate was 19 percent. Ten years later, it was 11.2 percent. Particularly, the rate of black poverty in America plummeted in the mid-1960s.
There was a professional basketball player named Hot Rod Hundley who played in the NBA nearly 60 years ago. When he was on the speaker circuit he used to tell of the time he and Elgin Baylor scored 76 points in a single game, the most ever scored by two forwards on the same team in the same game. He had four, Elgin had 72.

My point in telling that story is to show that averaging things out very often hides what actually happened by implying something very different. This is what your claim that the “poverty rate” dropped from 19 to 11.2 percent in a decade does. As far as it goes it is true, but it implies something that is not. That is, that the poverty rate declined for everyone. In fact as the data show the decline was solely for those over 65; for everyone else it went up. It also hides the fact that the poverty rate had been plummeting prior to 1965.
 
How often did Jesus talk about abortion? If he can get away with talking about “issues other than abortion”, why not his followers?

Have you heard of the term “consistent life ethic”? The idea behind it is that to be anti-abortion is not the same as being “pro-life” in the comprehensive sense of the term. The baby that is in the womb today that you’re fighting to defend the life of may be in 20 years become the young, single mother who becomes a porn actress to get her way out of poverty. So yes, the issue of poverty matters a great deal.

That baby in the womb may be the child of a father who just got deported, so yes the issue of immigration matters a great deal.

That baby in the womb may be the child of a meth addict mother may in 9 months be born with a method addiction, so yes the issue of substance abuse, drug smuggling, and transnational drug organizations matter a great deal.

Abortion is gravely evil and the focus or emphasis you see given to it is because of that. I don’t think the focus is misguided provided that it doesn’t involve ignoring the fact that abortion doesn’t exist in a vacuum, that there are many social factors that contribute to a woman’s decision to have an abortion, and not just the mere fact that it is legal.

So yes, addressing things like economic justice, immigration, health care, substance abuse, employment, is warranted not only on their own merits, but also because of how they relate to the “choice to abort”.

Making abortion illegal doesn’t magic away the social conditions that influenced women to have abortions in the first place (abortion being legal doesn’t mean a woman is required to have abortion, but only that she is permitted to by law if she chooses to have one).

In theory, it is possible for abortion to be legal and for no woman to have an abortion.

In theory, it is also possible for abortion to be illegal and for women to still have them.

So, if our goal is not just to make abortion illegal but to reduce the actual number of abortions (legally or illegally procured), then we most certainly have to address policies that may --taken in isolation-- seem unrelated to abortion, but in reality are interconnected.
 
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So yes, addressing things like economic justice, immigration, health care, substance abuse, employment, is warranted not only on their own merits, but also because of how they relate to the “choice to abort”.
We all agree these issues need to be addressed, we just disagree on what the best solution is.

The left doesn’t believe abortion is wrong and that is why we address it at extra lengths. Now they are pushing the limits to just before birth.
 
The baby that is in the womb today that you’re fighting to defend the life of may be in 20 years become the young, single mother who becomes a porn actress to get her way out of poverty. So yes, the issue of poverty matters a great deal.
To get out of poverty you have to be alive.
That baby in the womb may be the child of a father who just got deported, so yes the issue of immigration matters a great deal.
To know your father or be able to seek better opportunities you need to be alive.
That baby in the womb may be the child of a meth addict mother may in 9 months be born with a method addiction, so yes the issue of substance abuse, drug smuggling, and transnational drug organizations matter a great deal.
You need to be alive to be addicted to drugs.

The right to life is the most basic right. Without it no other rights matter.

I will agree that those issues should be addressed too though.
In theory, it is possible for abortion to be legal and for no woman to have an abortion.

In theory, it is also possible for abortion to be illegal and for women to still have them.
Given the choice between them I’d make abortion legal. I think that the law should recognize that the unborn have a right to life in the same way that it recognizes that the born have it.
 
That is, that the poverty rate declined for everyone. In fact as the data show the decline was solely for those over 65; for everyone else it went up.
Again, your chart clearly shows the official poverty rate went down for all age groups overall:

Poverty rates for the elderly have gone down by the most, but the 2013 numbers are lower in every case than the 1959 numbers.

Under 18: 1959 – 27.3%, 2013 – 19.9%
18-64: 1959 – 17.0%, 2013 – 13.6%
65 and up:1959 – 35.2%, 2013 – 9.5%
 
We all agree these issues need to be addressed, we just disagree on what the best solution is.
This is the point that is badly misunderstood. There are many approaches that have been proposed to resolve these social problems, but there is no moral component in disagreeing about what will or will not work. Some people support raising the minimum wage, others oppose it. This in no way suggests that the former group wants to help the poor while the latter does not, it only means that one group believes it will help and the other group believes it will hurt.

Abortion, unlike all but a handful of other issues, actually does involve a moral choice. “Economic justice, immigration, health care, substance abuse, employment” et al involve prudential choices, not moral ones.
 
Again, your chart clearly shows the official poverty rate went down for all age groups overall:

Poverty rates for the elderly have gone down by the most, but the 2013 numbers are lower in every case than the 1959 numbers.
Yes, they have gone down for everyone since 1959…which was five years before the War on Poverty was discussed, let alone implemented. I didn’t realize that programs got to claim credit for what happened before they had even begun. As I said, the statistics for the period after Johnson’s Great Society programs were enacted shows that poverty levels are higher now than before except for the over 65 category.
 
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Actually, I do not believe the left all believe that abortion is not wrong. Their believe is that each person should decide yes or no on having an abortion. That is called choice. We all are liable for our own sins. God gave us the ability to choose yes or no on most things in lift. The consequences come from our choice.
 
Actually, I do not believe the left all believe that abortion is not wrong. Their believe is that each person should decide yes or no on having an abortion. That is called choice. We all are liable for our own sins. God gave us the ability to choose yes or no on most things in lift. The consequences come from our choice.
Of course, I am mostly speaking of politicians and even some of them are anti abortion. I believe, if you make it available and legal people will think it is ok and moral
 
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