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Yeah, I think he was uncertain. But all the signs were there! That’s sort of my point…Maybe he should have risked it and said something? Men don’t always have to make the first move, but it just seems more in their nature to do so. I know that I’ve always expected it. Otherwise, I’m never sure if he really likes me or not. A man has gotta prove to me that he has the guts and the focus and the interest to be a good husband to me and father to my kids. Part of that is taking risks, risking rejection. That’s just how I see it, I know that kind of view pretty old fashioned these days.
I hope it’s not too old-fashioned; I have pretty much the same point of view. I figure it’s my job to let the guy know that I would say yes if he asked me…but it’s his job to ask. Or something like that. 😛

(And yes, I may have a particular person in mind when I say that, lol.) 😊
 
one that will excite them and be spontaneous/adventurous, and take risks, etc.
On the one hand, there’s the biology (risk-takers have strong genes or something like that), on the other hand, risk-takers won’t always be the best providers for obvious reasons, which hurts the stability that some women seek, especially those who’d start off already looking for good guys.
Those are all traits typical of the ‘bad boy’ rather than your typical ‘nice guy’ who get unfairly stereotyped as shy, sweet, and boring.
On the part of shy, sweet and boring folks, I demand apology. If not, I’m gonna sue yer shirt off yer back!
The same girl at ages 16, 21 and 25 will find different qualities attractive because she will be in different stages of her life. As time goes on, the ‘nice guys’ tend to be more appealing.
True. What strikes me as a bit of a sad thing is that in that case, you’re not going to be the one who’s spent the “romantic” years with her, as in, late teens, early twenties and that kind. There was a time I worried I wouldn’t experience that at all, that I’d only be the parking lot kind of guy, i.e. the one you get together with when you’re done having fun. I’ve quit that kind of thinking, though I certainly wish I’d have been able to experience said years with the future Mrs Yours Truly, but hey, you don’t know the future until it starts and then the past doesn’t kinda matter that much anyway. 😉
In my experience one of the biggest impediments to all these eligible single Catholic guys and gals getting together is lack of confidence and gumption. Especially among guys…you gotta put yourself out there if you’re interested in a girl. Yes, you’re risking rejection but that can’t be helped if you’re seriously looking for a marriage partner. I think that’s one reason so many people are turning to the internet now for courting…you can hide behind the anonymity and protection of the pc screen. Much easier to take a risk, accept an invitation to court or reject a proposal if you’re not having to do it face to face.
Yeah and I can tell you from experience, that doing it face to face is gazillion times better, though I’m still getting over a girl I met in person just twice not including after the break-up. Eh. Just do it. If you’re interested in a girl, walk up and tell her. No silly games are worth it. Sneaking around isn’t either.
So…moral of the story is, you gotta strike while the iron is hot…make hay while the sun shines, take a leap of faith, etc., etc. 😛
Yeah, the problem is only that if you approach the whole thing seriously, you can’t really tie yourself to someone you barely know unless you’re properly smitten. Then again, you could argue that if you aren’t properly smitten, you probably shouldn’t be contemplating anything anyway.
 
So this leads to the question: is marriage ONLY for “bad boys” and “bad girls”? In order to get married and have a family, am I going to have to debase myself and settle for a pagan Jezebel and risk my faith?
I don’t think bad boys want to marry bad girls. They may want to have ‘fun’ with each other but not spend the rest of their lives together. Seriously, what man wants a slut for a wife

Good girls wanting to marry bad boys is more likely but that doesn’t mean boys should become ‘bad’ in order to find a wife. It’s likely the good girl will want to ‘fix’ the bad boy anyway.

Don’t lower your standards just because you haven’t found anyone right yet. The most important relationship in anyone’s live is the one between the person and GOD. Nothing should get in the way of your relationship with God.
 
I hope it’s not too old-fashioned; I have pretty much the same point of view. I figure it’s my job to let the guy know that I would say yes if he asked me…but it’s his job to ask. Or something like that. 😛
YES! That’s it, and very well put. 🙂
(And yes, I may have a particular person in mind when I say that, lol.) 😊
Well you know what to do. Make sure he has a hint that your answer would be “yes”…
 
Having Aspergers makes this very hard for me. I’m not shy, but I can’t make conversation unless there’s something relevant/interesting to talk about. I could be alone in a room with a woman I’m really attracted to and wouldn’t say anything because I wouldn’t be able to think of something to say. It’s like my brain and mouth don’t sync up.
 
Eh. Just do it. If you’re interested in a girl, walk up and tell her. No silly games are worth it. Sneaking around isn’t either.
Seriously? I mean…seriously??

I just can’t imagine walking up to some girl I haven’t even met and asking her to coffee or brunch or what have you and getting favorable results.
 
If a nice guy, over 20 and under 40 walked up to me (especially after church) and asked me out to coffee, that’d be really, really cool.

I dunno about the other girls here, but I’d probably say yes 🤷 especially if the place was a quick walk away.
 
Seriously? I mean…seriously??

I just can’t imagine walking up to some girl I haven’t even met and asking her to coffee or brunch or what have you and getting favorable results.
Well I imagine you’d want to chat with her first. Maybe if she’s at least an acquaintance in some form, then strike up a conversation, and if the signs are favorable, take the leap. That takes guts, which I respect in a man. That’s just me. 🤷
 
Seriously? I mean…seriously??

I just can’t imagine walking up to some girl I haven’t even met and asking her to coffee or brunch or what have you and getting favorable results.
Well, in my mind, there’s a huge difference between “some stranger that I’ve never seen before” asking me out to coffee, and, say, “that guy who sits 5 pews in front of me at church every week” asking me out to coffee. 😛

I think, if you’re going to try and get to know a girl better, she should at least know you exist before asking her to go somewhere with you. 😃
 
Seriously? I mean…seriously??

I just can’t imagine walking up to some girl I haven’t even met and asking her to coffee or brunch or what have you and getting favorable results.
Sure, I could very much pull that off.

But what I was saying was that if you already knew you were interested in a girl, you should walk and take some measures instead of just being around and gathering up, which could finally be seen as stalking - and stalling is only marginally better in a girl’s point of view anyway. 😛

Once you accept that a coffee is just a coffee (in professional or social circumstances, married men may well have a coffee or lunch with married women, so it doesn’t suddenly become a romantic venture between singles), things begin to look different. The whole concept of dating is flawed precisely on the point that a stranger offers another stranger a romantic meeting… unthinkable if you ask me. On the other hand, there’s nothing wrong asking a stranger if he or she (yes, he too), wouldn’t mind having a coffee. Just don’t make a big deal of it and accept it for what it is - a coffee. Conversely, if you’re asking about it, you aren’t proposing.

By the way, if you establish eye contact before approaching, it’s going to be easier when you’re already there. Smiling does wonders. If she thinks ill of you because you politely initiated a conversation, it’s her loss. The thing you must remember is to be direct and unpretentious - no games and no simpering. If you’re feeling bad about it, she will too.
 
I don’t think bad boys want to marry bad girls. They may want to have ‘fun’ with each other but not spend the rest of their lives together. Seriously, what man wants a slut for a wife

Good girls wanting to marry bad boys is more likely but that doesn’t mean boys should become ‘bad’ in order to find a wife. It’s likely the good girl will want to ‘fix’ the bad boy anyway.
I think what she was getting at was that it is the “good girls” are exploring religious life and the “bad girls” are not, so odds are that if you want to get married your chances of finding a wife are greater among the “bad girls”. That is a chilling thought.
Don’t lower your standards just because you haven’t found anyone right yet. The most important relationship in anyone’s live is the one between the person and GOD. Nothing should get in the way of your relationship with God.
True, but keep in mind, however, that we were not built to be alone (see Genesis 2) and that not everyone can handle lifelong celibacy (see Jesus’ remarks regarding “eunuchs for teh kingdom” in Matther 19 and Paul’s admonitions in 1 Corinthians 7). One speaker at the National Catholic Singles Conference compared our search for companionship to this: when someone is REALLY hungry, they will eat the “junk food”. We all need to be more aware of the “starving” people out there and not force or tempt them to resort to “junk food”, so to speak.
 
Sure, I could very much pull that off.
I wish I were you. There’s this one girl who goes to Mass with me who I’m terrified of. Can’t say “hello,” much less ask her to coffee. Some man I am.
 
I think what she was getting at was that it is the “good girls” are exploring religious life and the “bad girls” are not, so odds are that if you want to get married your chances of finding a wife are greater among the “bad girls”. That is a chilling thought.
Ridiculous. Your vocation in life is not determined by how morally good you are or have been in the past. St. Augustine, anyone? Just because a man or woman is serious about his or her faith, it doesn’t mean that person is called to religious life; and just because someone is not at this point in his life serious about his faith, it doesn’t rule out the possibility that he does in fact have a vocation.
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Seriously? I mean…seriously??

I just can’t imagine walking up to some girl I haven’t even met and asking her to coffee or brunch or what have you and getting favorable results.
Not to be too harsh, but it certainly doesn’t help that 90% of the good Catholic guys are socially retarded, and the only men who do have the courage to ask us out are the ones we wouldn’t want to date. Sure, you will probably get turned down a few times; but you just have to find a mature way to deal with rejection. Eventually you just might find a girl who’s looking for all the same things as you are. And fyi, confidence is very attractive!😉
 
I am speaking from experiance here. I married me a bad boy and here I am with five kids raising them by myself. I tell you this because I don’t want to see any one make the same mistake as I did. Marry yourself a woman of the lord then you will have a helpmeet. Woman marry yourself a man of the lord then you will have a strong head. There is to much emphasis put on boring or exciting. exciting wears out but strong and steady wins the race.

If I had been in my right mind when I got married (I was in a rush to be married) I would have looked for a companion I respected, who was my friend and NNNNOOOO drama. I like boring and steady its a good thing trust me on this if you find a man that does not make your blood boil but is your best friend and excepts you, can pray with you, believes in christ then ladies you got a man to hold on to. Men look for a woman who is strong and steady a LMU not a HMU. 👍
 
I wish I were you. There’s this one girl who goes to Mass with me who I’m terrified of. Can’t say “hello,” much less ask her to coffee. Some man I am.
Well don’t beat yourself up, but seriously, if you really like her say hello. Introduce yourself. I promise it won’t kill you. Although a girl can introduce herself, it always makes them seem desprite. Or if she’s unsure if she likes you or just wants to be your friend and she introduces herself then she can be afraid of being misread.

Make a move…for all the girls here waiting for a guy they never noticed to make a move.
 
I wish I were you. There’s this one girl who goes to Mass with me who I’m terrified of. Can’t say “hello,” much less ask her to coffee. Some man I am.
The other part of it is how much it cost me and sometimes still does, whenever I really am affected. It’s like war. You can be scared, everyone is, but you gotta push on. If you get rejected, the world won’t end. If she rejects you, she obviously wasn’t the one for you and if she just isn’t interested (but is nice and polite in telling you so), then well, things happen! After all, for example, you often don’t know if she has someone unless it’s a ring on the finger. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out.

And remember that a polite lady doesn’t start laughing uncontrollably when you politely introduce yourself and begin a conversation. If you meet some such reaction, it’s her problem, not yours. As you can see here, there are many out there who would like to go out with someone like you (obviously with the mind not just to going out), so it’s not like you need to be apologetic for your very presence. 🙂
 
It just seems ironic…and a little bit tragic…

All the people, both male and female, hoping to find good, long-lasting, healthy Catholic marriages, wanting to fall in love and be happy, and yet no one seems to be locating one another…
that is pretty interesting isn’t it… I know so many men and women whom are good people but just don’t seem to get along well enough to date…

One of my, well a couple of my friends, male and female, tried dating once, before the night was over they were on top of each other trying to choke each other…I was like “WHAT HAPPENED?” They are both single, around the same age, Catholic, caring people, sweet, charming, hard working, and they have a lot in common, not total commonality but a lot enough to you know have what it should take to make it based on similar and opposite interests…Well for some strange reason they got into religious talks and that was it…

I was like you both go to the same church and have had the same teacher’s in school-both went to Catholic school-same one…never even met… And here they were arguing so much they just couldn’t stand each other after words… 😦 lol the irony of things…🤷
 
I wish I were you. There’s this one girl who goes to Mass with me who I’m terrified of. Can’t say “hello,” much less ask her to coffee. Some man I am.
Doesn’t mean you’re not a real man. 🙂 If you are truly interested in this gal you’re just going to have to get over your terror. But it’s not that huge a leap if you think of it in degrees. Start with eye contact, then “hello”…then at some point you can maybe try to start up a natural small-talk conversation with her. If you really like this gal, it’ll be worth it. And if she ends up liking you back, she’ll probably think your hesitancy in the beginning was real cute. 😉
 
Please, girls, give young men like my son a chance! He is 19 (almost 20) and I could list all his good attributes, but since I am his mother, probably no one would take me seriously. 😉 He is not interested in the girls in his classes who wear super-short shorts and talk on cell phones all the time and would like a nice Catholic girl who appreciates a nice guy. He tried the Catholic student union thing at our church, but it was too “charismatic” for him, and being a traditional sort (wears a coat and tie to Mass, would go to Latin Mass every week if we had it), just didn’t connect with the other young people there. He tried the Catholic Match thing too, but the girls he contacted did not respond and nearly all of them live in other states and say on their profiles that they don’t want to move! (How badly do they want that nice Catholic husband?) He’s a little shy around girls, but just as he is working up the nerve to ask them out or something, they cut him off at the pass with the “let’s just be friends” line and then never speak to him again! This has happened at least 3 times! I’m starting to have my doubts that there are any girls his age who really want a nice guy. Maybe he is too cleancut by today’s standards? He gets his hair cut about once a month, wouldn’t be caught dead in cargo shorts and/or flipflops, and shaves every day. I guess that is not considered attractive? 🤷
 
Please, girls, give young men like my son a chance! He is 19 (almost 20) and I could list all his good attributes, but since I am his mother, probably no one would take me seriously. 😉 He is not interested in the girls in his classes who wear super-short shorts and talk on cell phones all the time and would like a nice Catholic girl who appreciates a nice guy. He tried the Catholic student union thing at our church, but it was too “charismatic” for him, and being a traditional sort (wears a coat and tie to Mass, would go to Latin Mass every week if we had it), just didn’t connect with the other young people there. He tried the Catholic Match thing too, but the girls he contacted did not respond and nearly all of them live in other states and say on their profiles that they don’t want to move! (How badly do they want that nice Catholic husband?) He’s a little shy around girls, but just as he is working up the nerve to ask them out or something, they cut him off at the pass with the “let’s just be friends” line and then never speak to him again! This has happened at least 3 times! I’m starting to have my doubts that there are any girls his age who really want a nice guy. Maybe he is too cleancut by today’s standards? He gets his hair cut about once a month, wouldn’t be caught dead in cargo shorts and/or flipflops, and shaves every day. I guess that is not considered attractive? 🤷
Wow your son sounds great and I am sure there is someone out there that will consider him the best guy in the world for them…But I have noticed even the young Catholic girls around where I live are not into the kind of guys your son is…I would have given anything to have found a guy like your son when I was his age! Nope not around where I grew up those types are non-existent…I had to go all the way to FL to find something decent and to do what? End up getting divorced and 3 kids later!! LOL 😦 The irony of things…

Anyhow, one example of such girls is the girl that lives with my mother, raised Catholic but not practicing…She’s 21 single and promiscuous…Gorgeous, on the outside but really ugly on the inside, she cares about money, and being with guys with luxurious things…The last guy she got with was my parent’s 35 year old realtor, married man with a gorgeous wife. She got in between them and his wife found out, she wouldn’t tell anyone what happened but I know that was the case because the one driving his ferrari wasn’t his wife but that girl, his new assistant…He would take her shopping all the time for victoria secrets and I am not saying perfumes or clothing I am talking about lingerie…And night seductive wear… What boss does that? When she would bring all these luxurious outfits and gifts to my mother’s house to show them off, my mother would say idiotic things like “Oh what a great boss look at that he considers her so important he wants to make sure she even has proper underwear on!!!” I would look at her and would want to hurl or something…When the thought was brought up about the girl having been the one whom interefered with his wife and marriage my mother snapped and told me never to ruin the poor innocent child’s life since she was pure virgin!!! I was like ok if I would have come home with sexy under wear and bras from my male boss who’s all of a sudden getting divorced because his wife caught him with someone else, you would have assumed that he was being generous?! Yeah right would have bee kicked out in the streets after all that…

Not only that but she likes the guys that wear “tough” guy clothing and look a little scruffy with a nice beard…

And from this girl I have learned a lot more are like her where I have lived…

So I can understand the sadness from your son unable to find a great Catholic girl…But I know there are plenty out there that are great and ready for a wonderful loving husband…

I was looking for one not that long ago, lol, and hopefully I finally have found him!! hehehe
 
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