Italian nun covers 'Like a Virgin'

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You might benefit from reading some Theresa of Avila:

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The fourth is the “devotion of ecstasy or rapture,” a passive state, in which the feeling of being in the body disappears (2 Corinthians 12:2-3). Sense activity ceases; memory and imagination are also absorbed in God or intoxicated. Body and spirit are in the throes of a sweet, happy pain, alternating between a fearful fiery glow, a complete impotence and unconsciousness, and a spell of strangulation, sometimes by such an ecstatic flight that the body is literally lifted into space. This after half an hour is followed by a reactionary relaxation of a few hours in a swoon-like weakness, attended by a negation of all the faculties in the union with God. The subject awakens From this in tears; it is the climax of mystical experience, producing a trance. Indeed, she was said to have been observed levitating during Mass on more than one occasion.

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This.

FWIW, I was thinking of the sculpture by Bernini when she sang that line, so yeah.
 
This would probably be a good time to visit the thread about young people leaving the church. The main difference is that Madonna has more money and influence than most of us will ever dream of. I pray for her conversion and I hope there is a way that she could come back to the faith without selling out the other way and becoming a too-quiet, jumper wearing, modestybot.
Unfortunately, a more recent thread on that topic was sabotaged and run into the ground.

Praying for conversion of material girl. :yup:

Maybe that was/is the singing nun’s point? Only she knows the ulterior motive of her actions.
 
You might benefit from reading some Theresa of Avila:

Wikipedia: The kernel of Teresa’s mystical thought throughout all her writings is the ascent of the soul in four stages (The Autobiography Chs. 10-22):

The first, or “mental prayer”, is that of devout contemplation or concentration, the withdrawal of the soul from without and especially the devout observance of the passion of Christ and penitence (Autobiography 11.20).

The second is the “prayer of quiet”, in which at least the human will is lost in that of God by virtue of a charismatic, supernatural state given by God, while the other faculties, such as memory, reason, and imagination, are not yet secure from worldly distraction. While a partial distraction is due to outer performances such as repetition of prayers and writing down spiritual things, yet the prevailing state is one of quietude (Autobiography 14.1).

The “devotion of union” is not only a supernatural but an essentially ecstatic state. Here there is also an absorption of the reason in God, and only the memory and imagination are left to ramble. This state is characterized by a blissful peace, a sweet slumber of at least the higher soul faculties, or a conscious rapture in the love of God.

The fourth is the “devotion of ecstasy or rapture,” a passive state, in which the feeling of being in the body disappears (2 Corinthians 12:2-3). Sense activity ceases; memory and imagination are also absorbed in God or intoxicated. Body and spirit are in the throes of a sweet, happy pain, alternating between a fearful fiery glow, a complete impotence and unconsciousness, and a spell of strangulation, sometimes by such an ecstatic flight that the body is literally lifted into space. This after half an hour is followed by a reactionary relaxation of a few hours in a swoon-like weakness, attended by a negation of all the faculties in the union with God. The subject awakens From this in tears; it is the climax of mystical experience, producing a trance. Indeed, she was said to have been observed levitating during Mass on more than one occasion.
Ah ha. Yes, I have a tattered copy of Interior Castle that I first read 17 years ago and mark as a turning point in faith for me. Unfortumately Madonna and her song Like a Virgin, are as far from the mystical love of Teresa for her Lord as I can comprehend. Each to his own though.
 
I’ve been looking into this nun lately and what I’m seeing is unsettling. She is entering the secular world and embracing it all too readily. Although she has a good voice this is really riding the line here. I don’t think she’s going in a direction that will bring her or anyone else closer to God.

Jeanine Deckers who was the “Singing Nun” also hit it big before crashing into utter desolation. I hope Sr. Cristina Scuccia gets out of this before it’s too late… Never before has satanism and demonic homage been so prevelant in commercial music. That’s why anyone of sound mind should stay away from the main stream industry.
 
Wow, she’s got a GREAT voice.

It’s kind of strange. Almost all the lyrics can be interpreted in a very spiritual way…except for one line:

“like a Virgin, touched for the very first time.

It’s difficult to interpret that phrase as being non-physical.
The word “virgin” can surely be used in a non-physical way, but putting those two phrases together pretty much sounds like the first time one is having sex. So it does sound…a little off…when you hear a nun in a habit sing it.

How is covering this song helping her evangelize, I wonder? I can’t really see it.
It looks like she wants to be a singer, not a nun.

I must say, I MUCH prefer her version to Madonna! I wonder what Madonna thinks.

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I haven’t listened to the video yet but I would like to comment on your, "It’s kind of strange. Almost all the lyrics can be interpreted in a very spiritual way…except for one line:

“like a Virgin, touched for the very first time.

I don’t know if it is a “fact” or not but Mary was a virgin and it might have been the “first time” that God “touched her” in any way such as that when God sent Gabriel with a message.

And as for “like a virgin”, many only think of physical virginity rather than spiritual virginity and to be touched by God can be a way of looking at someone’s return of their “spiritual virginity”.

Just because someone can not see something spiritual in something does not mean that someone else can’t.
 
I’ve been looking into this nun lately and what I’m seeing is unsettling. She is entering the secular world and embracing it all too readily. Although she has a good voice this is really riding the line here. I don’t think she’s going in a direction that will bring her or anyone else closer to God.

Jeanine Deckers who was the “Singing Nun” also hit it big before crashing into utter desolation. I hope Sr. Cristina Scuccia gets out of this before it’s too late… Never before has satanism and demonic homage been so prevelant in commercial music. That’s why anyone of sound mind should stay away from the main stream industry.
Jesus didn’t call everyone to be hermits.

Jesus did send His Apostles out into the world, didn’t He?
 
I’ve been looking into this nun lately and what I’m seeing is unsettling. She is entering the secular world and embracing it all too readily… That’s why anyone of sound mind should stay away from the main stream industry.
👍
 
Wow, she’s got a GREAT voice.

It’s kind of strange. Almost all the lyrics can be interpreted in a very spiritual way…except for one line:

“like a Virgin, touched for the very first time.

It’s difficult to interpret that phrase as being non-physical.
The word “virgin” can surely be used in a non-physical way, but putting those two phrases together pretty much sounds like the first time one is having sex. So it does sound…a little off…when you hear a nun in a habit sing it.
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That’s understandable, I think. There is a popular religious song I learned as a child. The words are

“He touched me.
Oh, he touched me.
And oh, the joy that floods my soul.
Something happened
And now I know
He touched me
And made me whole.”

When it was first released, many Christian radio stations refused to play the song because it was originally sung by a woman, and it sounded alarmingly sensual to certain people. Now it’s pretty much a standard: youtube.com/watch?v=5m–ptwd_iI
 
I haven’t listened to the video yet but I would like to comment on your, "It’s kind of strange. Almost all the lyrics can be interpreted in a very spiritual way…except for one line:

“like a Virgin, touched for the very first time.

I don’t know if it is a “fact” or not but Mary was a virgin and it might have been the “first time” that God “touched her” in any way such as that when God sent Gabriel with a message.

And as for “like a virgin”, many only think of physical virginity rather than spiritual virginity and to be touched by God can be a way of looking at someone’s return of their “spiritual virginity”.

Just because someone can not see something spiritual in something does not mean that someone else can’t.
The lyrics of the song infer that the singer is not a virgin and knows what it like to be touched.
This suggests that the singer is not a virgin of the flesh but knows what it is like to touched for the first time.
No one wants to say it.
Singer/nun may not be a virgin.
No one wants to know that much about a Catholic nun.
 
The lyrics of the song infer that the singer is not a virgin and knows what it like to be touched.
This suggests that the singer is not a virgin of the flesh but knows what it is like to touched for the first time.
No one wants to say it.
Singer/nun may not be a virgin.
No one wants to know that much about a Catholic nun.
I guess that is exactly what comes across incognito. That’s is probably why my stomach cringes when I hear the song sung by the nun.
 
This thread and the responses to it are what I find discouraging about coming to this website.

This nun by her actions would seem to be in need of some serious Catholic spiritual direction.
 
That video is very disturbing…

Seeing a nun in her habit sing that song along with the various shots of
churches … I think it mocks her vocation and the Catholic Church.

With all of the tens of thousands of songs, why in the world would
Sr. Cristina choose to cover “like a Vigin” ? When big rock stars can record
respectful, religious songs why can’t this nun?
She would do well to follow Eric Clapton’s lead…

grooveshark.com/#!/search?q=+clapton+holy+mother
 
But…so…if many can take this song only spiritually, as you describe, then I’m not sure what the fuss is about for those who think this is shocking.
👍👍 People need to read more St. John of the Cross poems. I’ll just put a part of one of his called The Dark Night of the Soul:

*…

Upon my flowery breast,
Kept wholly for himself alone,
There he stayed sleeping, and I caressed him,
And the fanning of the cedars made a breeze.

The breeze blew from the turret
As I parted his locks;
With his gentle hand he wounded my neck
And caused all my senses to be suspended.

I remained, lost in oblivion;
My face I reclined on the Beloved.
All ceased and I abandoned myself,
Leaving my cares forgotten among the lilies.*

If I hadn’t already known St. John of the Cross as being a great Saint, mystic, and Doctor of the Church, my first instinct, like the majority, would be to interpret all of this as extremely sexual, and physical. But we know that’s just not the case. His deep love for God was on a level most of us can only dream of. Thus, it is difficult for many of us to comprehend his way of describing the deep spiritual love between him and his Beloved.

Someone actually made a pretty good blog about all this: theramblingsofacrazyface.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/like-a-virgin/ ~ Just a warning, but there is 1 profanity word used in the article.
I’ve been looking into this nun lately and what I’m seeing is unsettling. She is entering the secular world and embracing it all too readily. Although she has a good voice this is really riding the line here. I don’t think she’s going in a direction that will bring her or anyone else closer to God.
Personally, I don’t think she’s embracing it or loves it at all. I’ve been following the news on her since her Blind Audition for the Voice of Italy, and based on the interviews, articles and everything that I’ve heard her say, she doesn’t like the spotlight, she doesn’t want the money, she doesn’t like the attention, especially all the media attention, she would rather live a quiet life back with the children whom she works with. However, she’s made things abundantly clear that she will be obedient and do whatever her Superiors have asked her to do. And in religious life, obedience is number 1. Also, she left the entire matter of even accepting the contract with Universal to her Superiors ~ she made this abundantly clear as well.

To cap up, I don’t think she is doing her will in this, but the will of God’s which is enacted through her Superiors.

That said, she does need our prayers, and I certainly hope we can all at least agree upon that, and actually make the time to do just that.
 
But…so…if many can take this song only spiritually, as you describe, then I’m not sure what the fuss is about for those who think this is shocking.
👍👍 People need to read more St. John of the Cross poems. I’ll just put a part of one of his called The Dark Night of the Soul:

*…

Upon my flowery breast,
Kept wholly for himself alone,
There he stayed sleeping, and I caressed him,
And the fanning of the cedars made a breeze.

The breeze blew from the turret
As I parted his locks;
With his gentle hand he wounded my neck
And caused all my senses to be suspended.

I remained, lost in oblivion;
My face I reclined on the Beloved.
All ceased and I abandoned myself,
Leaving my cares forgotten among the lilies.*

If I hadn’t already known St. John of the Cross as being a great Saint, mystic, and Doctor of the Church, my first instinct, like the majority, would be to interpret all of this as extremely sexual, and physical. But we know that’s just not the case. His deep love for God was on a level most of us can only dream of. Thus, it is difficult for many of us to comprehend his way of describing the deep spiritual love between him and his Beloved.

Someone actually made a pretty good blog about all this: theramblingsofacrazyface.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/like-a-virgin/ ~ Just a warning, but there is 1 profanity word used in the article.
I don’t think she’s going in a direction that will bring her or anyone else closer to God.
With all due respect, I’ll have to disagree with u here. I believe she brings the joy of the Gospel with her, and does a good job of radiating that joy and love of the Lord where ever she goes. This is why many people, even non-religious people, are attracted to her, and not just because of her voice. J-Ax, the tough, rapper guy and her coach on The Voice of Italy, even admitted that as a result of meeting her, he was, for once, going to make something like a positive album, and even had a spiritual talk with her at the end of The Voice. She had literally touched his heart that much.

Also, considering the habit is like a symbol of a person’s consecration to God, when one sees her on TV or in a video singing a song, how can one not look at her in her habit and not think of or be reminded of God? Her habit evangelizes on its own, and it’s good that people see it, are publicly exposed to it, since they know what this particular person is all about.
I’ve been looking into this nun lately and what I’m seeing is unsettling. She is entering the secular world and embracing it all too readily. Although she has a good voice this is really riding the line here.
Personally, I don’t think she’s embracing the secular world or loves it at all. I’ve been following the news on her since her Blind Audition for the Voice of Italy, and based on the interviews, articles and everything that I’ve heard her say, she doesn’t like the spotlight, she doesn’t want the money, she doesn’t like the attention, especially all the media attention, she would rather live a quiet life back with the children whom she works with. However, she’s made things abundantly clear that she will be obedient and do whatever her Superiors have asked her to do. And in religious life, obedience is number 1. Also, she left the entire matter of even accepting the contract with Universal to her Superiors ~ she made this abundantly clear as well.

To cap up, I don’t think she is doing her will in this, but the will of God’s which is enacted through her Superiors.

That said, she does need our prayers, and I certainly hope we can all at least agree upon that, and actually make the time to do just that.
 
Awesome! I just saw Patrick Coffin’s facebook post on this. For those of u that don’t know, he’s the host of Catholic Answers Live. 🙂

If interested, here’s his facebook post: facebook.com/PatrickCoffin.Author.RadioHost.Speaker/posts/738798819520405

And here’s a small snippet of it:

"But the song was written by a duo called Billy Steinberg and Tom Kelly (hat tip to Matthew Marsden) as a reflection on a painful divorce and the finding of new love. Madonna’s people took the heart out of the hook and remade it into a bad girl’s ode to fornication. Sister Cristina is not merely taking it back, but elevating it to the level of grace. "
 
This article was just posted today on Suor Cris’ facebook page: Sister Cristina is a “phenomenon of the times,” Cardinal Ravasi “blesses” the religious-singer ~ Yep, that’s right, the Cardinal, who’s President of the Pontifical Council for Culture, has given her the thumbs up! The article is in Italian, but I have it run thru Google Translate so most of it, does make some kind of sense for us non-Italian speakers.

Some highlights of the article are:
Asked dall’Adnkronos, Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi gives a “full approval” Sister Cristina "as a cultural phenomenon ministry. Let’s face it - begins the president of the Pontifical Council for Culture - today feels more than ever the need for new languages to be more by the youth. And the Church can not neglect it. The Church must be in the square. "
"My endorsement is full - says Cardinal Ravasi - because the Church must record the tastes of today’s youth " .
Awesome! Just awesome!! And thank u Cardinal Ravasi! 🙂
 
Thanks Suko for the links to all the sites. I still don’t feel any better of the sister who sings pagan type songs. She can easily sing and interpret many good Catholic songs instead. And about the Cardinal…no comment:rolleyes:
 
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The first things that come to mind 1)because these religious on the links are doing it didn’t prove to me that it’s right. 2) We are to be in the World not of it.

If the religious did some of the things on the links as in a talent show to raise money then to me it would be fine.

I don’t necessarily agree with all the moderators.😉
 
1)because these religious on the links are doing it didn’t prove to me that it’s right.
It’s not supposed to, it’s to show that these things are not unheard of, and that doing things in the secular world is not impossible for religious to partake in.
  1. We are to be in the World not of it.
I agree completely! 👍 Although, I would take great care of how u are interpreting this, since I get the sense that maybe u may be thinking that religious have no place in secular things or events. 🤷
I don’t necessarily agree with all the moderators.😉
You don’t have to, but u do have to abide by the rules, though, and if u disagree with Thomas Casey on this, u are of course, free to PM him to voice your concern. 🙂
However, he makes a pretty valid point, imho; the majority of us don’t have the competency or authority to be judging whether or not what Sr. Cris is doing is appropriate for a religious. It’s up to those up top, not us.
 
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