It's NOT in the Bible

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This has been an interesting thread until the breakdown at the end. All I can say is I am now more convinced than ever that the Bible should be our only source for our Christian walk. Otherwise, you have chaos…perfectly evident in threads just like this.
 
Luvtosew said:
While I know its true some Protestant faiths have led far from the origianal teachings, and well I don’t think we can even lump Mormons in here, they have a total different thought than us Christians do. Luther never wanted to change the basics, just the indulgences, some of the corruption going on, and of course he had a problem with the way salvation was taught as we know. He also wanted the bible to be available to all, and wanted the Church to adhere more to the Bible, he never wanted to not be Catholic, but he had no choice but to leave. He was not an ungodly man by no means, but soon afterwards the RCC started their own counter reformation and got the DR completely done in English.
Lutheran remember was a very devout Catholic, said he would die for the Pope. I don’t know, I’m sure he never meant for it to get so carried away, but the Church also refused to listen to anything he said, and he revolted more.
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Salvation is certainly the basics. Luther said that at the most basic level, you are a dung heap. Well, I don’t think that a loving God creates dung heaps. I don’t think that He would let satan run rampant and destroy the world and kill the Son of God just to put snow on dung heaps. A God Who would let all of that happen for no reason certainly is not good; a good God would have only allowed it if He intended to actually turn the dung heaps into something better: Saints. Children of God. Partakers in the Divine Nature. But Luther rejected that all and said we are all dung. That’s why I’m not a Lutheran anymore.
 
Cat_Herder said:
Salvation is certainly the basics. Luther said that at the most basic level, you are a dung heap. Well, I don’t think that a loving God creates dung heaps. I don’t think that He would let satan run rampant and destroy the world and kill the Son of God just to put snow on dung heaps. A God Who would let all of that happen for no reason certainly is not good; a good God would have only allowed it if He intended to actually turn the dung heaps into something better: Saints. Children of God. Partakers in the Divine Nature. But Luther rejected that all and said we are all dung. That’s why I’m not a Lutheran anymore.
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When Luther said that we are like dung, he meant that we are dead in our sins, but it is by the free Grace of God that Christ choose us to be saved. We can not on our own free will choose God, but Christ choose us. Maybe you should get of your high horse and read Luther.
 
Layman_F said:
Here’s a quote that at first lends itself to sola scriptura, though it’s easily dismantled:

2 Timothy 3:16-17. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

On the surface it looks like it says everything useful is in scripture.

A screwdriver is useful for working on a car, but isn’t the only tool you should use. (Unless it’s an old Beetle! LoL)
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Exodus 31:15*Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

So going by your statement everyone who works on a Sunday should be put to death then?
 
hn160 said:
When Luther said that we are like dung, he meant that we are dead in our sins, but it is by the free Grace of God that Christ choose us to be saved. We can not on our own free will choose God, but Christ choose us. Maybe you should get of your high horse and read Luther.
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What Luther also claimed was that salvation was based not on infused grace (that grace changes the sinner so that he or she no longer sins) but on imputation (that God ignores the sinner’s sin and instead judges the person on the merits of Christ while the person goes on sinning.)

Since the sinner does not actually change, there is no real point to Calvary in Luther’s view.
 
Wow

I will stick to what the bible says about salvation and grace. Let Luther have his and the Catholics have theirs. Read your bible people, salvation is for anyone that believes in Christ and accepts his free gift. No work, no buying it, no sign of thecross or genuflecting, or kissing statues feet. Christ’s salvation Is simple, anyone making it complicated wants control, in my opinion. No person can “not sin”, Paul says we lie if we say that. Grace doesn’t give us a license to sin either, o my I could go on forever about this. It’s the simple things humans mess up with their corrupt nature. Just look at our schools. Turn something easy like teaching kids to read and mathematics into a big waste of taxpayer funds. we need only love God and our neighbor, all else, with faith, will fall into place because it is given to us by God.
Love ya
 
Jaboshua said:
Wow

I will stick to what the bible says about salvation and grace. Let Luther have his and the Catholics have theirs. Read your bible people, salvation is for anyone that believes in Christ and accepts his free gift. No work, no buying it, no sign of thecross or genuflecting, or kissing statues feet. Christ’s salvation Is simple, anyone making it complicated wants control, in my opinion. No person can “not sin”, Paul says we lie if we say that. Grace doesn’t give us a license to sin either, o my I could go on forever about this. It’s the simple things humans mess up with their corrupt nature. Just look at our schools. Turn something easy like teaching kids to read and mathematics into a big waste of taxpayer funds. we need only love God and our neighbor, all else, with faith, will fall into place because it is given to us by God.
Love ya
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I love post-modern theology :), especially when taxes find a way into it…

Is there obedience to God and to the words of Christ in that equation?
 
Jaboshua said:
Wow

I will stick to what the bible says about salvation and grace. Let Luther have his and the Catholics have theirs. Read your bible people, salvation is for anyone that believes in Christ and accepts his free gift. No work, no buying it, no sign of thecross or genuflecting, or kissing statues feet. Christ’s salvation Is simple, anyone making it complicated wants control, in my opinion. No person can “not sin”, Paul says we lie if we say that. Grace doesn’t give us a license to sin either, o my I could go on forever about this. It’s the simple things humans mess up with their corrupt nature. Just look at our schools. Turn something easy like teaching kids to read and mathematics into a big waste of taxpayer funds. we need only love God and our neighbor, all else, with faith, will fall into place because it is given to us by God.
Love ya
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The same Paul you cite as handing out sin licenses said:

[BIBLEDRB]Hebrews 10:26-29[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Jaboshua said:
Wow

I will stick to what the bible says about salvation and grace. Let Luther have his and the Catholics have theirs. Read your bible people, salvation is for anyone that believes in Christ and accepts his free gift. No work, no buying it, no sign of thecross or genuflecting, or kissing statues feet. Christ’s salvation Is simple, anyone making it complicated wants control, in my opinion. No person can “not sin”, Paul says we lie if we say that. Grace doesn’t give us a license to sin either, o my I could go on forever about this. It’s the simple things humans mess up with their corrupt nature. Just look at our schools. Turn something easy like teaching kids to read and mathematics into a big waste of taxpayer funds. we need only love God and our neighbor, all else, with faith, will fall into place because it is given to us by God.
Love ya
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I’d like to add Hebrews 10:36
We all need to persevere, though.
 
Cat_Herder said:
Where did the Bible come from?
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Is this supposed to be irrefutable evidence of something? I’m confused.

To be honest, there is no irrefutable evidence of anything outside of the Bible that anyone could show as proof because none exists. The history that people like to present in this thread is history portrayed to support only their chosen belief. However, there is no hard or fast proof of any of it. It gets tiring to read all of these posts trying to throw evidence supporting their belief. Unfortunately, you can throw all of the history you would like but nobody from Biblical times is here to back it up…only the inspired word of God within the scriptures is here in the present as proof of how we should live. Authentic faith can only come through belief that the Bible is the only source of Gods instruction.
 
Slinger said:
Is this supposed to be irrefutable evidence of something? I’m confused.

To be honest, there is no irrefutable evidence of anything outside of the Bible that anyone could show as proof because none exists. The history that people like to present in this thread is history portrayed to support only their chosen belief. However, there is no hard or fast proof of any of it. It gets tiring to read all of these posts trying to throw evidence supporting their belief. Unfortunately, you can throw all of the history you would like but nobody from Biblical times is here to back it up…only the inspired word of God within the scriptures is here in the present as proof of how we should live. Authentic faith can only come through belief that the Bible is the only source of Gods instruction.
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Okay, let’s stick to scripture, Slinger. I believe the Bible is indeed God’s word, and believe it is profitable for instruction.

[BIBLEDRB]2 Timothy 3:16[/BIBLEDRB]

However, there are some doctrines among bible-believing Christians that are in dispute, e.g., the Trinity (e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses), day of worship (e.g., Seventh Day Adventists), justification/salvation, predestination, end times theology, etc.

Using only the Bible, how do I resolve these opposing views? And if 1 Timothy 3:15 is true, then isn’t there a church that can help me discern the truth? If so, how do I know which church to choose? Or, if the church includes all believers, does that mean that all “Christians” - from Mormons to Benny Hinn followers - make up the pillar and foundation of truth, such that each one possesses divine truth? Wait… that can’t be right… anyway, I’m looking forward to your reply on this one.

Please stick to scripture in your response - not your opinion, not a minister’s or pastor’s opinion, and not your particular church’s opinion. As you said, the Bible is the only source of God’s instruction.
 
stewstew03 said:
Okay, let’s stick to scripture, Slinger. I believe the Bible is indeed God’s word, and believe it is profitable for instruction.

[bibledrb]2 Timothy 3:16[/bibledrb]

However, there are some doctrines among bible-believing Christians that are in dispute, e.g., the Trinity (e.g., Jehovah’s Witnesses), day of worship (e.g., Seventh Day Adventists), justification/salvation, predestination, end times theology, etc.

Using only the Bible, how do I resolve these opposing views? And if 1 Timothy 3:15 is true, then isn’t there a church that can help me discern the truth? If so, how do I know which church to choose? Or, if the church includes all believers, does that mean that all “Christians” - from Mormons to Benny Hinn followers - make up the pillar and foundation of truth, such that each one possesses divine truth? Wait… that can’t be right… anyway, I’m looking forward to your reply on this one.

Please stick to scripture in your response - not your opinion, not a minister’s or pastor’s opinion, and not your particular church’s opinion. As you said, the Bible is the only source of God’s instruction.
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If you don’t mind an interjection the Trinity is easy to understand.

Let me explain from the Bible. The Bible tells us we are made in the image of God. We also learn we are a tripartite being comprising Body, Soul and Spirit. If we are in the image of God then God must be a tripartite being also and just as we are Body, Soul and Spirit so also with God who manifest himself in the flesh which is the body of God, this is in line with the divinity of Jesus. The Bible also tells us God is Spirit so no problem there and finally we learn that God is eternal.

Like us God is Body, Soul and Spirit, three in one and is “ONE GOD” the same as we are ‘one person’.

In His name.

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Jaboshua said:
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Babies and the mentally infirm often have no knowledge of right and wrong.

17 "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

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stewstew03 said:
Yes, this is indeed what the Catholic Church teaches.
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So someone that says they believe Christ died for their sins is going to heaven? I was born catholic, or baptized as an infant, and had no idea who Jesus was. I’d argue I was baptized into the romancatholic church, not into the one body spoken of in the bible. I believe that could only happen of my own volition, which the catechism of the catholic church droveme toward. Anyway, why is it so hard to approach a Romanist with certain biblical truths? I don’t believe the roman catholic church believes that salvation is free, lest there would be nothing for them to do each week, except that which God writes in their hearts, i.e. widows, orphans, sick and such. Not that it is for salvation, rather because of it. Sacrificing Christ anew each week, for instance… can a priest go to Heaven if he does not do that? I honestly don’t know. I know, according to the romans, u must eat and drink of that sacrifice for that to happen to you, even tho the bible says it be of none effect.
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