It's official: Levada is new doctrinal watchdog!

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Lurch104:
Blind trust in God, I agree.
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Jesus said to Peter, the first pope :

“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Mt 16:18)
I give B16 the benefit of the doubt, but this appointment does not pass the smell test.
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I think that St.Peter himself would not have passed the smell test for you…
 
Sarah Jane:
I think that St.Peter himself would not have passed the smell test for you…
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Peter, the impulsive and aggressive, but cowardly loudmouth? Nah, bad choice for anything.
 
Sarah Jane:
I think that St.Peter himself would not have passed the smell test for you…
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I think that is rather unfair. An ad hominem comment like that just shows how weak your reasoning is. Maybe you don’t have a problem with a person who was involved in the coverup of the molestation of a child, but it kind of irks me a bit.

Not to engage in what if’s, but when would you question the judgement of the Pope? What would it take before you had doubts?

I do give defference to our Pope on this one, I hope he has a plan that I am not wise enough to see at this point. But for the sheeple on the forum to get up in arms when some people wonder just what is going on in Rome when decisions like this are made, I don’t understand it.
 
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Lurch104:
Blind trust in God, I agree. Blind trust in a human, not me. There have been bad clergy, bishops, and even popes over the ages. I give B16 the benefit of the doubt, but this appointment does not pass the smell test.
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But you are not giving him the benefit of the doubt. You are digging up as much bad information as you can find which, again, is not detailed enough to make a summary case against him. I have read articles regarding priests and Bishops protecting abusers and it is horrifying. However, the articles I’ve read are painstakingly detailed compared to the ones you presented. For example, where are any actual transcripts from the court documents?
 
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Brad:
But you are not giving him the benefit of the doubt. You are digging up as much bad information as you can find which, again, is not detailed enough to make a summary case against him. I have read articles regarding priests and Bishops protecting abusers and it is horrifying. However, the articles I’ve read are painstakingly detailed compared to the ones you presented. For example, where are any actual transcripts from the court documents?
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I found this after 30 seconds on google. I have read direct quotes from the Bishop in several news stories that do not dispute what has been reported. I don’t think there is enough evidence that will ever sway you. There were many other abuse cases involving this bishop both in SF and Oregon. I guess all of the courts, victims, juries, the abusers who admitted their crimes and Levada’s role in them, and the bishop himself are all lying in the press. As far as him forbidding the Indult…it is a fact that cannot be disputed. Also, the fact that he rolled over to the SF mayor and granted same sex benefits is also not in dispute.
 
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Richardols:
Peter, the impulsive and aggressive, but cowardly loudmouth? Nah, bad choice for anything.
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I read something interesting after B16 was selected: “Such Catholics can be faithful Catholics who will be obedient to B16, but can have been upset at the announcement.”

Sound familiar? I knew it would.

I guess orthodox Catholics do not have the same right to disappointment at troubling news.
 
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Lurch104:
Not to engage in what if’s, but when would you question the judgement of the Pope? What would it take before you had doubts?
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If he made theologian Hans Küng a Cardinal as JPII made theologian Avery Dulles a Cardinal, I’d be worried.
 
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Lurch104:
I found this after 30 seconds on google. I have read direct quotes from the Bishop in several news stories that do not dispute what has been reported. I don’t think there is enough evidence that will ever sway you. There were many other abuse cases involving this bishop both in SF and Oregon. I guess all of the courts, victims, juries, the abusers who admitted their crimes and Levada’s role in them, and the bishop himself are all lying in the press.
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Rather than assume that there is no evidence that will sway me, why don’t you provide some of this plentiful evidence? It can’t be that hard if it is all over the place. I assure you I can be swayed. I just don’t jump on the doomsday bandwagon. The Pope knows what he is doing.
 
I just went to lunch and was praying in the car, asking Jesus “what’s the deal here”??

Upon reflection, and my faith in my Pope, I see that it will all be ok.

We have problems with our bishops in America, no?? YES.

So Benedict…
  1. appoints an American. He could have picked George, but he best serves the Church by straining to hold Chicago together (Chicago posters agree???)
  2. a Latino. Does this matter, given the enormous Catholic population of SOUTH America?? Dunno.
  3. Vacates the San Francisco post. AH, yes. Fresh air is needed. I bet he DOES appoint an orthodox priest to the position.
  4. THEORY: Instead of promoting a recognizably orthodox man to the CDF, he appoints possibly a man who is orthodox, but finally given a chance to exercise his theological muscles?? SF is not an easy place to be Catholic or conservative socially. Taking this on faith.
  5. So instead of promoting the orthodox to Rome, (thereby vacating archbishop positions held by good bishops, he might be moving liberal/heterodox OUT of archbishop postions, and replacing them with orthodox/conservatives.
Whatcha think??
 
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jlw:
  1. So instead of promoting the orthodox to Rome, (thereby vacating archbishop positions held by good bishops, he might be moving liberal/heterodox OUT of archbishop postions, and replacing them with orthodox/conservatives.
Whatcha think??
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A very plausible scenario, but though there seems to be some doubt about Levada’s pastoral orthodoxy by some posters, there is no doubt about his theological orthodoxy, so Levada can’t really be considered a heterodox bishop being moved out.

B16 may be doing quite right with this move.

And, I can’t for an instant believe that B16 would fill his old job with a dissenter.
 
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jlw:
I just went to lunch and was praying in the car, asking Jesus “what’s the deal here”??

Upon reflection, and my faith in my Pope, I see that it will all be ok.

We have problems with our bishops in America, no?? YES.

So Benedict…
  1. appoints an American. He could have picked George, but he best serves the Church by straining to hold Chicago together (Chicago posters agree???)
  2. a Latino. Does this matter, given the enormous Catholic population of SOUTH America?? Dunno.
  3. Vacates the San Francisco post. AH, yes. Fresh air is needed. I bet he DOES appoint an orthodox priest to the position.
  4. THEORY: Instead of promoting a recognizably orthodox man to the CDF, he appoints possibly a man who is orthodox, but finally given a chance to exercise his theological muscles?? SF is not an easy place to be Catholic or conservative socially. Taking this on faith.
  5. So instead of promoting the orthodox to Rome, (thereby vacating archbishop positions held by good bishops, he might be moving liberal/heterodox OUT of archbishop postions, and replacing them with orthodox/conservatives.
Whatcha think??
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That is the most comforting thought I have read all day. I can only hope and pray that it is correct.
 
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Richardols:
A very plausible scenario, but though there seems to be some doubt about Levada’s pastoral orthodoxy by some posters, there is no doubt about his theological orthodoxy, so Levada can’t really be considered a heterodox bishop being moved out.

B16 may be doing quite right with this move.

And, I can’t for an instant believe that B16 would fill his old job with a dissenter.
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I think you better articulated my thought in #4:
  1. THEORY: Instead of promoting a recognizably orthodox man to the CDF, he appoints possibly a man who is orthodox, but finally given a chance to exercise his theological muscles?? SF is not an easy place to be Catholic or conservative socially.
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Lurch104:
I read something interesting after B16 was selected: “Such Catholics can be faithful Catholics who will be obedient to B16, but can have been upset at the announcement.”

Sound familiar? I knew it would.

I guess orthodox Catholics do not have the same right to disappointment at troubling news.
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Sure, they do. But, has it yet risen to the level of being troubling? I see your point if he were to be raised to a larger diocese where he could make the same mistakes again, but in the Vatican scrutinizing for orthodoxy?

You may have noticed that I was jumped on for suggesting that anyone would have been upset.
 
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Richardols:
Sure, they do. But, has it yet risen to the level of being troubling? I see your point if he were to be raised to a larger diocese where he could make the same mistakes again, but in the Vatican scrutinizing for orthodoxy?

You may have noticed that I was jumped on for suggesting that anyone would have been upset.
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Yes, I think his appointment alone is troubling on the surface (I hope there is a plan in place).

I was attempting to tease you with that post, it appeared to me that you were one of those doing the jumping in this thread 😉
 
Perhaps this selection points us back to Malachy’s prophecy. If Pope Benedict XVI is truly the correct Pope in the lines of Popes predicted by Malachy, then maybe we are seeing a Pope who desires unity and peace above other things. It seems so far our new Holy Father has a great desire for peace and unity among all people. Perhaps his selection of Bishop Levada is an olive branch of sorts to American Catholics who feel threatened by orthodox Catholics…time will tell.
 
jlw,

It is because of the state of the Church in Chicago–I love Cardinal George. Chicago is one of the most liberal place around. I do wish Cardinal George would do something about Andrew Greely.
 
Sarah Jane:
If Benedict XVI does not know who and how to fill a job at the Congregation where he worked for the last 24 years, who does?
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Amen to that.

I just did a little Googling and found that Levada was the only American Bishop on the Editorial Committee of the Holy See’s Commission for the new Catechism of the Catholic Church.

archdpdx.org/previous-archbishops/ab_levada.htm

DustinsDad
 
To all interested, read this article by Archbishop William J. Levada regarding abortion and politics here in the U.S.:

WHOEVER IS NOT WITH ME IS AGAINST ME
by Archbishop William J. Levada

This man seems to be a far cry from a dissident. What do y’all think?

DustinsDad
 
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