It's still His Church

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NewsTheMan said:
While there has always been an element of… well, put it this way, we are fallen, so there will always be a concern about the here and now and how bad it is. We are all waiting for Christ to come, so your point there is taken in a sense. However, the crisis in the Church is extremely bad, and to brush it off as if it is the status quo for the Church to be in a crisis such as this one is a-historical.

So I will give an answer in the form of statistics.
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You have stated statistics on various problems within the church that are not of a docternal - whole church nature. When I read “off the rails” in someone else’s previous post, I was reading it that in some way Catholic teaching had been moved “off the rails” incorrectly.

Yes, it is unfortunate when the faithful begin to fall away from the Truth, but while we can do what we can, it is God who gives each of us our individual free will to do what we wish. If this means that individuals are falling away from His Church, so be it, even though we can teach the Truth until we are blue in the face. I just want to be sure the Church is teaching and sticking to the Truth!

also, your statistics. I have seen you post these before. Are they statistics for the US, another country, or the whole world? What are your sources on these, as you only give a few on a couple of the numbers.

Thanks!
 
NewsTheMan said:
There’s a fear among Catholics on the Internet that if they do something or acknowledge the crisis BOOM they turn into a sedevacantist. I don’t know why. We need all the help we can get at the moment to bring the human element back on track.
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I completely agree with this. So many people see any kind of criticism as outright betrayal. This is not the first crisis the church has ever had, far from it. Seeing things for what they are would make a difference in terms of seeking orthodoxy.
 
Big_Feet said:
When I read “off the rails” in someone else’s previous post, I was reading it that in some way Catholic teaching had been moved “off the rails” incorrectly.
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That was my statement and I stand by it. I meant people have gone a bit crazy and too many don’t care about what the church actually teaches. I guess that can happen when you follow a non-existent spirit of something :rolleyes:
 
Contra_Mundum said:
That was my statement and I stand by it. I meant people have gone a bit crazy and too many don’t care about what the church actually teaches. I guess that can happen when you follow a non-existent spirit of something :rolleyes:
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Ok…I apologize. I miss-read your meaning behind “off the rails.”
Thank you for your explanation.
 
And the statistics that NewstheMan posted are why i believe this is starting:
““There are regions in the world that still wait for a first evangelization; others that received it but need more profound work; others still in which the Gospel put down roots a long time ago, giving place to a true Christian tradition, but where in the last centuries – with complex dynamics – the process of secularization has produced a grave crisis of the sense of the Christian faith and of belonging to the Church,” Benedict XVI observed.”

zenit.org/article-29738?l=english

wdtprs.com/blog/2011/10/pope-benedict-talking-about-new-evangelization/

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/motu_proprio/documents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20111011_porta-fidei_en.html
 
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