It's the Occupation, Stupid

[Vixit]

I thought the Catholic Church was against the death penalty? Are Catholics really so set on being divided? Shouldn’t the point be to take control and then thresh out the details later? We agree on the most important things- no abortion, no unjust wars, no unchecked capitalism, no socialism, a fair balance of free trade with personal charitable works, all done with a Catholic mindset? You would rather have Protestants and Masons, Skull 'n Boners, and the like to make the rules, as they have for decades? Or are we still afraid a Catholic leader will be in danger? We all know why they killed Kennedy. And may I say that if you don’t base your politics solely on your faith, you may want to reconsider your church? Are you a Catholic? I ask because I haven’t really looked. I thought you were American at first too.

 

[Vixit]

I’m not saying you’re not Catholic, I’m asking whether you are. And as for us having free will, yes, the Catholic Church, in her Spirit-led wisdom, has decided not to infallibly declare everything up to and including what color of shoes one may wear. However, the Church also, in her wisdom, recommends that the faithful do not support the death penalty unless absolutely, utterly necessary, due to the fact that it can easily be abused in the wrong hands (you know, like executing retarded people or children or even innocent people). And the Church, my friend, knows better than you or I or anyone else, and if you don’t believe THAT, then I do consider you heterodox. You may still decide, in your arrogant self-righteousness, that you know better than those who have devoted their lives to living Christlike lives of service in the Church, and you are free to do so. Just as I am free to shun you and shake the dust from my feet. Good day, Sir.

 

[bbarrick8383]

I’m not saying you’re not Catholic, I’m asking whether you are. And as for us having free will, yes, the Catholic Church, in her Spirit-led wisdom, has decided not to infallibly declare everything up to and including what color of shoes one may wear. However, the Church also, in her wisdom, recommends that the faithful do not support the death penalty unless absolutely, utterly necessary, due to the fact that it can easily be abused in the wrong hands (you know, like executing retarded people or children or even innocent people). And the Church, my friend, knows better than you or I or anyone else, and if you don’t believe THAT, then I do consider you heterodox. You may still decide, in your arrogant self-righteousness, that you know better than those who have devoted their lives to living Christlike lives of service in the Church, and you are free to do so. Just as I am free to shun you and shake the dust from my feet. Good day, Sir.

Wow, your still here. Moderator must be busy.

 

[rlg94086]

Huh…you and I agree more on the situation than I thought we did. And, btw, the Bishops have also pointed out this conundrum. While liberal (and I do mean that politically) Catholics in the US have generally cried “pull out now,” the bishops and the Pope have made remarks cautioning about leaving too early, since it might make a bad situation turn worse.

The Just War questions were rightly debated before the invasion. My view on the justness of the decision has changed over time, but it is important to judge current decisions on the current situation. And, occupation is not a valid excuse for the blowing up of innocents or other terrorist acts.