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Xenos,
How’d you know? I just had a glass of sweet Tea?
Look my friend, you haven’t been attacked by me… not even close.
The size of the fonts is to make 'em easier to read. (Who needs eye strain?).
My confusion stems from being unable to understand why you even brought up that S.American stuff if you KNOW it to be untrue? Surely you realize that it will get a rise out of any thinking Catholic with an IQ higher than a leaf? Is that your idea of presenting facts? To what end?
As for this talk of Strawman arguments…I suggest that you PM Karl Keating and take that up w/him. I don’t really know what you are looking for. I’ve talked to Prots who wanna tell me that the world is only 6,000 years old (Just as an example) and it’s a really big deal to them about finding dinosaurs in the Bible (I can’t, but then I don’t care & don’t try). They look at me funny when I ask why it matters. I ask if any of this will make any difference at all in the way I treat my neighbor or feed some hungry guy or whatever. Will it change my morals? Then when I say “no”, they really do look at me nuts. Guess we’re just totally NOT on the same page at all. To be honest, I think a great many people are heavily sidetracked from doing what Christ commanded by all this cosmic debris that they call learning. I’m not saying that’s you, but that I don’t understand you.
As for the idea that I have been unkind in my posts…that was (and is never) my intention. If you are offended–accept my apology for what it’s worth, but don’t impune my walk w/Christ just because I was honest with you.
I can’t understand why you posted the stuff you did unless your intent was offense. You said you knew it was untrue…why repeat it here where we can get our faces rubbed in such trash? To me, THAT is offensive, and I’ve seen it every single day on here from people who come in here & post such statements and “questions”. That’s like me going into a Southern Baptist forum and saying that I heard they don’t like blacks or something. (A statement I know is untrue!!) Would they get passionate in their responses? Certainly! This is the very same thing.
So…with all due respect; now that we’ve got this off topic by about 100 miles. (Please let’s just drop this part & get back to the comments on the #1 post!) Consider how WE feel having to answer all that stuff. How we feel when someone posts alleged incidents, that make the Church look foolish or diabolic. :banghead:
How’d you know? I just had a glass of sweet Tea?
Look my friend, you haven’t been attacked by me… not even close.
The size of the fonts is to make 'em easier to read. (Who needs eye strain?).
My confusion stems from being unable to understand why you even brought up that S.American stuff if you KNOW it to be untrue? Surely you realize that it will get a rise out of any thinking Catholic with an IQ higher than a leaf? Is that your idea of presenting facts? To what end?
As for this talk of Strawman arguments…I suggest that you PM Karl Keating and take that up w/him. I don’t really know what you are looking for. I’ve talked to Prots who wanna tell me that the world is only 6,000 years old (Just as an example) and it’s a really big deal to them about finding dinosaurs in the Bible (I can’t, but then I don’t care & don’t try). They look at me funny when I ask why it matters. I ask if any of this will make any difference at all in the way I treat my neighbor or feed some hungry guy or whatever. Will it change my morals? Then when I say “no”, they really do look at me nuts. Guess we’re just totally NOT on the same page at all. To be honest, I think a great many people are heavily sidetracked from doing what Christ commanded by all this cosmic debris that they call learning. I’m not saying that’s you, but that I don’t understand you.
As for the idea that I have been unkind in my posts…that was (and is never) my intention. If you are offended–accept my apology for what it’s worth, but don’t impune my walk w/Christ just because I was honest with you.
I can’t understand why you posted the stuff you did unless your intent was offense. You said you knew it was untrue…why repeat it here where we can get our faces rubbed in such trash? To me, THAT is offensive, and I’ve seen it every single day on here from people who come in here & post such statements and “questions”. That’s like me going into a Southern Baptist forum and saying that I heard they don’t like blacks or something. (A statement I know is untrue!!) Would they get passionate in their responses? Certainly! This is the very same thing.
So…with all due respect; now that we’ve got this off topic by about 100 miles. (Please let’s just drop this part & get back to the comments on the #1 post!) Consider how WE feel having to answer all that stuff. How we feel when someone posts alleged incidents, that make the Church look foolish or diabolic. :banghead:
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This is true and scary to me. My mother sent me newspapers from a Baptist sect that prints Chicks tracts. I was on my knees praying for her in no time. I posted here and on the Ask an apologist forum out of panic. People read this stuff and believe it. He targets the simple and also the young mind.
Lisa4Catholics:
Hate mongers proclaiming their ChristianityThis stuff is horrible:banghead: How much time do they have to love God while their busy trying to prove how evil"those Catholics"are?Shame on them, I think an excorcism would do them some good.God Bless
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The comments about Babylon are very inaccurate - Chick did not make this up; he got his weird and wonderful ideas about the religions of the two countries from a book written 140-150 years ago. Which can be read in its full glory on the WWW, here.
It would make an interesting film - as would Chick’s imaginings ##
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Xenos,OK, let me see. Where have I heard this before… Ah yes…
1Pe 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
My friend, let me try once more. How can I KNOW that you are Christ’s Church, when you don’t act like Christ?
The fact that someone else has insulted you, its OK to insult me??? Doesn’t Peter say that you are not even to revile back at the ones that attack you, let alone someone that has NEVER attacked you? Or do you listen to Peter?
THAT is how the world acts. How am I suppossed to see Christ in you?
Now, it would seem that in the context of an open forum we can be quite direct, but insulting is another matter.
Scott, in context of this thread, the references were clear an unrefuted; in fact, as you have seen, they are admitted. The reference to another context that I made earlier:
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I can show you a regular poster here that identifies himself in his profile as a former Evangelical and now proud catholic. His M. O. is to ask innocent sounding questions about what Evangelicals think, then when he gets an answer, pounces on those views with a glee that would make Jack Chick glow with pride.
was deliberately vague because I wanted to have a reference, not open a debate from another thread here.
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Xenos,
As an ex-evangelical and minister I can say this: what chick says evangelicals often believe secretly. He just says it out loud. At world youth day many evangelicals gathered to protest the Pope and try and convert catholic children. Without parental consent mind you. When was the last time catholics did that to an evangelical event? We are here learning how to defend ourselves. Apparently that worries you. I know it does many evangelicals. They don’t like CA. It’s bad for business. I think you need to clean your own house first. When we are no longer targeted by evangelicals then we can shift our focus elsewhere.
This shows a misunderstanding of Evangelicals. I am not worried about anything. God’s truth will always win. I have no problem with learning to defend yourself; that does not warrant vicoious attacks.
As far as the World Youth day, that is an interesting example,and perhaps something for another thread. There are several questions that should be answered before judgements are made. I’m not defending what you aledge happened; just commenting.
Now, as you say, this is your website, I’m a guest. That, of course, is why I chose my nick. And you can treat me any way you chose. I may comment on what you say, but you can certainly say what you want. Go for it.
But if what you say is not in line with the Character of Jesus Christ, I have the right to wonder publically and personally about the significnce of that fact. I have done so in this thread.
Blessings to you,
I insulted you? By telling you of my experiences? Methinks you doth protest to much.
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You don’t 
- He finds you
FWIW, “Seb” is a misreading of the name of the earth-god Geb.
Explanation: S and G are very hard to tell apart in Egyptian hieroglyphic writing - they are both represented by pictures of birds, with almost identical tail-feathers. Chick is relying on a book from 1863 which relies on a book written between 1837 and 1841; IOW, his info is about 170 years old. The reading was not corrected until about 90 years ago - which is why modern books do not include “Seb” among Egyptian gods; and why Jimmy Akins could not find Seb when he tried to find references to him.However, “IHG” is not “IHS”.
If Isis, Horus, and Serapis had been grouped together, then IHS would be plausible. Serapis was an important god in Rome during the Imperial period, and Chick is relying on a source which says that the Pope - which one, we are not told - had IHS put on Eucharistic breads in order to reconcile Christianity and paganism through a policy of ambiguity. There is no evidence of any such thing, and none is offered; the source simply says it happened. Besides, the cult of these gods in Rome had ended by the time that stamping breads with letters began. So the whole story is impossible. #
An excellent point - which ought to be given far more attention than it is, whether one is Evangelical, Catholic, or whatever.
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Xenos
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Martin,
I would agree that it is best not to worry too much about who is being ruder to who. That is not the point. The point is why be rude to anyone.
It was obvious that you didn’t give me your definition; that is why I didn’t give you mine. To early in the discussion (it would also hijack this thread).
I certainly agree that great sinners could be members of the church; some of us probably are great sinners. The presence of Christ in our lives should make a difference, however. If we are no different than anyone else, why would anyone look at us and find the claims of Christ worth investigating. In the Gospel’s people were drawn to the disciples because they were totally different than any they had ever met before. If we want people to believe that we have the truth, shouldn’t we make that truth as attractive to them as we can?
Yes, I read post #72 and asked for a clarification.
Thank you.
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Church Militant:
Interesting about the sweet tea; people out here don’t now how to make it. I enjoy my visits where they have sweet tea and Cracker Barrells.
At this point, it is probably best to drop the S.A. stuff. It looks like I can’t explain that without causing confusion, even though I thought that I had. Sorry that I didn’t do a better job of that.
So I think you are right; lets drop all of this until we can understand each other better. For example, you might find interesting why some evangelicals see some degree of significance in the flood and the dinosaurs.
Any way, thanks for your reply.
Well, Militant; all I can say is, if you ever do get ready to attack me; give fair warning; I’m going to get out of the way.Xenos,
How’d you know? I just had a glass of sweet Tea?
Look my friend, you haven’t been attacked by me… not even close.
The size of the fonts is to make 'em easier to read. (Who needs eye strain?).
My confusion stems from being unable to understand why you even brought up that S.American stuff if you KNOW it to be untrue? Surely you realize that it will get a rise out of any thinking Catholic with an IQ higher than a leaf? Is that your idea of presenting facts? To what end?
As for this talk of Strawman arguments…I suggest that you PM Karl Keating and take that up w/him. I don’t really know what you are looking for. I’ve talked to Prots who wanna tell me that the world is only 6,000 years old (Just as an example) and it’s a really big deal to them about finding dinosaurs in the Bible (I can’t, but then I don’t care & don’t try). They look at me funny when I ask why it matters. I ask if any of this will make any difference at all in the way I treat my neighbor or feed some hungry guy or whatever. Will it change my morals? Then when I say “no”, they really do look at me nuts. Guess we’re just totally NOT on the same page at all. To be honest, I think a great many people are heavily sidetracked from doing what Christ commanded by all this cosmic debris that they call learning. I’m not saying that’s you, but that I don’t understand you.
As for the idea that I have been unkind in my posts…that was (and is never) my intention. If you are offended–accept my apology for what it’s worth, but don’t impune my walk w/Christ just because I was honest with you.
I can’t understand why you posted the stuff you did unless your intent was offense. You said you knew it was untrue…why repeat it here where we can get our faces rubbed in such trash? To me, THAT is offensive, and I’ve seen it every single day on here from people who come in here & post such statements and “questions”. That’s like me going into a Southern Baptist forum and saying that I heard they don’t like blacks or something. (A statement I know is untrue!!) Would they get passionate in their responses? Certainly! This is the very same thing.
So…with all due respect; now that we’ve got this off topic by about 100 miles. (Please let’s just drop this part & get back to the comments on the #1 post!) Consider how WE feel having to answer all that stuff. How we feel when someone posts alleged incidents, that make the Church look foolish or diabolic. :banghead:
Interesting about the sweet tea; people out here don’t now how to make it. I enjoy my visits where they have sweet tea and Cracker Barrells.
At this point, it is probably best to drop the S.A. stuff. It looks like I can’t explain that without causing confusion, even though I thought that I had. Sorry that I didn’t do a better job of that.
So I think you are right; lets drop all of this until we can understand each other better. For example, you might find interesting why some evangelicals see some degree of significance in the flood and the dinosaurs.
Any way, thanks for your reply.
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Perhaps this is a result of my not being involved in many forums. I was responding to several people at once. Guess I better not try that again. The quotes must have run together.
No, I don’t think you insulted me. That comment was in response to another post directly above it where someone clearly stated that because others had attacked him, he felt he had the right to attack me, and it was good to for me to know how it felt for him to be attacked.
I am sure that you agree with me that this is not a Christian attitude. Sorry that I caused you to think I’m a twit.
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My MIL is some kind of Jack Chick fan. I always see those dang things sitting around her house, I suspect they’re they for me (or my kids) to pick up and read. Years ago, before DH and I got married, DH was living with my parents because he was homeless (thanks to his parents, but that’s a different story). I was cleaning up his room one day and I found a Chick tract called “Last Rites”. I’m sure you can imagine the trash I found inside. That was my first encounter with Jack Chick. I am sure that his mom gave that him with instructions to leave it laying around the house for one of us Catholics to find. GGGGrrrrr… I know DH wouldn’t have went and got one himself.
This is the same woman who took my 4 & 5 year old kids aside and told them it was “mean to pray to Mary” as well as a whole list of other garbage. Thank God my 4 year old came and told me or I never would have known. I still think it’s amazing that even at her age she knew it was something important enough to tell me.
I’m sure someday one of those tracts will end up in my kids hands.
That was my first encounter with Jack Chick. I am sure that his mom gave that him with instructions to leave it laying around the house for one of us Catholics to find. GGGGrrrrr… I know DH wouldn’t have went and got one himself.This is the same woman who took my 4 & 5 year old kids aside and told them it was “mean to pray to Mary” as well as a whole list of other garbage. Thank God my 4 year old came and told me or I never would have known. I still think it’s amazing that even at her age she knew it was something important enough to tell me.
I’m sure someday one of those tracts will end up in my kids hands.
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Jack Chick is in good company. There is a dude on shortwave, on a station out of Nashville, that calls himself Brother Stair, and he is every bit as bad as Chick. He is offensive to the point of being laughable. But some people believe this garbage, so it’s not really funny.
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Xenos:
Just to say I entirely agree with your remarks about Catholics being as bad as what we criticise.People are not going to be drawn to Christ in the CC if His disciples are a load of pains in the neck. A martyr-complex combined with a mean attitude towards all who don’t belong to “our” group is not a pretty combination.
Catholic Christianity has to be something better than an insecure and pretty-minded tribalism using God as a tribal totem - otherwise it might as well be a teeny-tiny sect founded just yesterday. If we are really Catholic, universal, so will our sympathies and our understanding of others be. ##
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Church Militant:
Xenos,
How’d you know? I just had a glass of sweet Tea?
Look my friend, you haven’t been attacked by me… not even close.
The size of the fonts is to make 'em easier to read. (Who needs eye strain?).
My confusion stems from being unable to understand why you even brought up that S.American stuff if you KNOW it to be untrue? Surely you realize that it will get a rise out of any thinking Catholic with an IQ higher than a leaf? Is that your idea of presenting facts? To what end?
As for this talk of Strawman arguments…I suggest that you PM Karl Keating and take that up w/him. I don’t really know what you are looking for. I’ve talked to Prots who wanna tell me that the world is only 6,000 years old (Just as an example)
So do some Catholics
- in the name of inerrancy. It’s a shock; one would expect that Catholics would be free of such extravagances.
Genesis 1 and the mentions of behemoth and leviathan in Job are among the usual passages that are used to show that dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible. Needless to say, this is sheer fantasy, as these passages and others do not mention what they are alleged to mention.
Knowing why people put forward ridiculous ideas is a step to putting forward a more adequate explanation of what stimulated the wrong idea to begin with. My favourite oddity is the Mormon doctrine that Adam before the Fall had no blood - it’s not unknown outside Mormonism: like the other idea of theirs that makes Jesus the elder brother of satan (a very old idea indeed). ##
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Xenos,
I don’t think anyone will disagree with you that christians from the “true” church (or from any church for that matter) should be or ought to have “Christ present in our lives” or should be “totally different than any other people that [non-believers] have met before”. We all know what should be.
The question I thought I heard you bring up was that if a christian didn’t do one of the above, does that mean that he isn’t a member of the “true christian church”? It seemed that that was THE test that you applied to determine “true” church-hood.
Again, If you agree that there are great sinners in the “true” church, then it you couldn’t possibly use the above test as THE test. I would like to know what test you use. I believe that you have one since I’ve heard you deny that the RCC is the “true” church. You must be applying some sort of test to come to that conclusion.
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Martin,
See #94 above. The poster there understood what meant.
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Xenos
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La Chiara:
- Scripture and Tadition
- Anti-Catholic Whoppers
- Just War Doctrine.
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The word translated as “church” in the NT is ekklesia. This is a Greek word meaning “assembly.” In ancient Greek society, it was an assembly called out by the town crier that met for legislative or other purposes. This was the closest word in Greek available to the sacred writers of the NT to translate the Hebrew word “kahal,” or religious assembly.
Short definition: The Church is the People of God, united under St. Peter and his successors, assembled together in one body and sharing one faith – the Faith of the Apostles.
I’ll answer your request for more info on #4 (from post #72) in a separate post early tomorrow morning.
Thank you for your questions.
Peace, Jay
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Hi Xenos,My friend, let me try once more. How can I KNOW that you are Christ’s Church, when you don’t act like Christ?
The fact that someone else has insulted you, its OK to insult me??? Doesn’t Peter say that you are not even to revile back at the ones that attack you, let alone someone that has NEVER attacked you? Or do you listen to Peter?
THAT is how the world acts. How am I suppossed to see Christ in you?
Sorry if you will find my English not so good because English is not my mother tongue.
Since you are non-Catholic, I would like to suggest you to quit from this thread and try to ask for proper guidance by joining threads which suits your quest for truth…only if you are really searching for it. Or still I would suggest you to ask the help of our apologists, they will surely assist you to the truth you are “searching” for… And once you’ll be a catholic yourself then you will know how it feels when people start telling you that your faith is ‘satanic’ and ‘pagan.’
I praise my brothers and sisters here who are very good in defending our faith and I pray for you…
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