James White Has Completely Lost It [Akin]

[MarcoPolo]

I started a prayer thread for James White:

Prayers for James White

Bless you Ani…a wonderful idea and beautiful act.

 

[Zooey]

What do you all think of starting a prayer thread for him on the prayer forum? I would ask that his memories, emotions, and relationships be healed. Suggestions?

Bless you Ani…a wonderful idea and beautiful act.

I agree. This is a good idea.
As angry as Mr White makes me, I am genuinely concerned for him. He is clearly deeply disturbed, and, sadly, his “friends” are unwilling to take it on themselves to help him…

I have said before, that I find it tragic that there are so many people, who hate Catholics more than they love Jesus Christ. It is heartbreaking for me to find that so many of these people hate Catholics so much that it prevents them from acting in Christian charity toward one of their own… They also need our prayers.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Hi CM,

Do you think it is worthwhile us starting a thread here on Apologetics with a link to his prayer thread and then ask the moderator to make it a sticky?

Also, there is already a Divine Mercy Chaplet on the prayer intentions forum and that covers all the prayer intentions posted on that forum.

A couple of posters posted links to the Divine Mercy Novena and I will take care of posting each part each day.

These threads seem to slide down the thread list after a bit. Did you intend something more permanent? I would like something more permanent. Maybe a sticky on the prayer forum for all anti-Catholics, with James being the featured blogster.

Thoughts people? Suggestions?

Also could you folks pm those on your buddy list so that we can have more prayers on that thread? It is very thin so far. Thank you.

 

[Truthstalker]

I have looked over Mr. White’s website concerning this matter and I have read this thread.

Mr. White’s attempt at humor at best was inappropriate. While I cannot judge his heart, it seems that posting the pictures may well have been intended to offend. His comments afterwards betray a rather comprehensive lack of understanding (which he admits) of the Catholic Church and an unwillingness to learn or work on any sort of reapproachment. He rejects Catholicism without understanding it. An amazing admission, but it is there. Uncharitably calling someone else uncharitable has its own problems, regardless of who does what.

Therefore I distance myself from his actions. My recommendation is that those who were the target of this write to or otherwise contact his pastor, fellow-elders, denominational authorities, etc., and explain what was offensive and what you would like to see done.

Furher discussion only seems to make things worse, as he likes to post comments about himself on his blog. Christ’s admonition concerning what to do with such a one is clear. Have nothing to do with him. In this case, do not call him, do not criticize him publicly, but let the church leadership he is accountable to handle the situation. Do not feed it.

Also, what saddens me is the amount of energy being expended on both sides of an unwinnable argument. I think the Lord would have us expending our energies on more profitable subjects. I, for one, look forward to a thorough and rational discussion of Dr. Beckwith’s reversion.

 

[JBaker45]

Maybe a sticky on the prayer forum for all anti-Catholics, with James being the featured blogster.

Why must it be that anyone who ventures to point out the errors of Roman Catholicism must be branded an anti-Catholic?

People like James White, and Matt Slick do not hate Catholics.

[SIGN]We Respectfully Protest [/SIGN]

 

[Ani_Ibi]

JBaker45:

Why must it be that anyone who ventures to point out the errors of Roman Catholicism must be branded an anti-Catholic?

Disagreement does not an anti-Catholic make. Misrepresenting Catholic teaching, mocking it, having rage-fests against Catholics does.

JBaker45:

People like James White, and Matt Slick do not hate Catholics.

The thread is not about Matt Slick. It is about James White. Also it is about the disproportionality of his recent behaviour viz Francis Beckwith.

 

[sandusky]

jimmy:

So someone who calls White to be charitable is the same as the the Islamic bombers? It is truely amazing that you will actually try to defend this.

What’s amazing to me is that you don’t see that what you are really asking for is not charity, but tolerance.

You simply don’t want anyone to criticize you, or, Mother church, and especially someone who’s criticism is as direct, and, IMO, as accurate as White’s.

 

[JBaker45]

JBaker45:

Why must it be that anyone who ventures to point out the errors of Roman Catholicism must be branded an anti-Catholic?

Disagreement does not an anti-Catholic make. Misrepresenting Catholic teaching, mocking it, having rage-fests against Catholics does.

Mocking it? Rage-fests? - Really people.

Once you have regained your composure, please feel free to come back to the debate table.
Ani Ibi:

JBaker45:

People like James White, and Matt Slick do not hate Catholics.

The thread is not about Matt Slick. It is about James White.

Okay. (Although the pattern of behavior among the Catholic APO community is definitely not specific to Dr. White alone.)
Ani Ibi:

Also it is about the disproportionality of his recent behaviour viz Francis Beckwith.

I can agree that it was unwarranted and disproportionate of Beckwith to accuse White of doctoring.

 

[kaycee]

I think that Dr. Beckwith is quite a big enough person to speak for himself, and since so many n-Cs/a-Cs and especially evangelicals have made a hue and cry of “But why!?”, the fact that he is taking opportunities to offer his reasons seems the only rational and honest thing to do.

I am certainly glad he is giving reason and am grateful that he has stepped down from his position, as he has certainly accepted another Gospel.

 

[kaycee]

Actually he took a step toward the gospel of Grace with his conversion. To be seperated from the body of Christ is to be seperated from the Grace of God. The (Catholic) Church is the body of Christ as Paul makes clear in his epistle to the Ephesians.

Yeah, thats the Catholic derived concept of the “Body of Christ”. I believed the true Body of Christ, in the purest sense, is simply all the true believers in Christ, of which their are no tares.

 

[Jerry-Jet]

There is no True Belief in God at variance with the Fullness of Faith that resides in the Catholic Church and that is true regardless of who accepts it.

 

[JBaker45]

There is no True Belief in God at variance with the Fullness of Faith that resides in the Catholic Church and that is true regardless of who accepts it.

And yet the RCC teaches that Muslims (for example) can go to heaven.

Apparently being “at variance” is not that big a deal.

(They would just have to do a little penance I suppose.)

 

[cpayne]

Why must it be that anyone who ventures to point out the errors of Roman Catholicism must be branded an anti-Catholic?

People like James White, and Matt Slick do not hate Catholics.

[SIGN]We Respectfully Protest [/SIGN]

One can love Catholics and still be anti-Catholic. The basic anti-Catholic position is that Catholics are not Christians precisely due to their Catholicism. It doesn’t matter if that position is expressed with a great deal of love (out of a desire to convert Catholics, for example)—it is still anti-Catholic.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Posts that bring up topics other than the issue at hand have been deleted.

The topic of this thread is very clear in the initial post, please discuss that or expect your posts to be deleted and possible moderator action.
MF

 

[Milliardo]

ROTFL - The pictures are his very humorous response to the false accusations silly

It doesn’t matter; it still remains that it’s inflammatory, and is dismaying to anyone with decency and common sense. So whether the pictures are a response to the accusations, or are the focus of the accusations themselves, the bottomline is that its objective is to disparage and hurt people, and not produce any move towards civil discussion.

 

[reneeville]

Wow… this is incredible. If you really believe that Mssrs. Slick and White and the drones of carmite followers are simply trying to “point out the errors of Roman Catholicism”, you are only deluding yourself.

Why must it be that anyone who ventures to point out the errors of Roman Catholicism must be branded an anti-Catholic?

People like James White, and Matt Slick do not hate Catholics.

[sign]We Respectfully Protest [/sign]

 

[Church_Militant]

What’s amazing to me is that you don’t see that what you are really asking for is not charity, but tolerance.

Actually, we expect both. Just as we Catholics offer to n-Cs.

You simply don’t want anyone to criticize you, or, Mother church, and especially someone who’s criticism is as direct, and, IMO, as accurate as White’s.

1. Criticism? Sorry but I see mockery. That’s not criticism…White’s been critical all along and I generally could care less and deal with the facts while doing my best to ignore the rhetoric.
2. Direct is no problem, accurate is a matter of opinion as we have shown many many times in discussions of his rhetoric.
3. Why defend him? Would you appreciate it if I posted similarly altered photos with reference to you and your particular community?

 

[MariaG]

Since I have already posted in this thread, I would like to point out, in order to avoid confusion, that I and kaycee are two different people. Please do not confuse us in your posts.

I never confuse the two of you, even if you post sequentially in a thread.

I am afraid to say, I have frequently confused you two, and in fact, just now realized that there were two .

It does explain the seemingly divergent personalities that seemed to be coming from the “same” person.

My apologies, for any past confusion on my part:tiphat:

 

[cpayne]

I am afraid to say, I have frequently confused you two, and in fact, just now realized that there were two .

It does explain the seemingly divergent personalities that seemed to be coming from the “same” person.

My apologies, for any past confusion on my part:tiphat:

I’m still betting it’s only one person, “dealing with some issues.”

 

[sandusky]

Church Militant:

Actually, we expect both. Just as we Catholics offer to n-Cs.

Then the problem of your upset lies completely with you; your expectation of tolerance from White on issues pertaining to what he considers to be errors within your theology are unrealistic, and your attitude in this will always disappoint you—White, as well as others critical of your theology, will persist in their criticisms of that theology, even though that might hurt
your feelings.
Church Militant:

Criticism? Sorry but I see mockery. That’s not criticism…White’s been critical all along and I generally could care less and deal with the facts while doing my best to ignore the rhetoric.

This certainly is a question of perception; isn’t it?
Church Militant:

Direct is no problem, accurate is a matter of opinion as we have shown many many times in discussions of his rhetoric.

And yet so many, many remain unconvinced as to the accuracy of what you believe that you have shown so many, many times concerning White, such that you should wonder what it is that you think you’ve shown them.
Church Militant:

Why defend him? Would you appreciate it if I posted similarly altered photos with reference to you and your particular community?

Because I agree with him; what was posted on White’s blog concerning this issue is not directed at the whole of your particular community; it is directed only at those who are calling for tolerance under the guise of calling for charity.