Japan nixed Obama atomic bomb apology

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"Japan nixed Obama atomic bomb apology

We haven’t heard much lately about what critics call Barack Obama’s world apology tour, in which he has told foreigners how sorry he is for America’s past misdeeds. But over at the Power Line blog my American Enterprise Institute colleague Steven Hayward has linked to a September 28 story in the Japan Times about how Obama reportedly sought in fall 2009 to visit Hiroshima and/or Nagasaki, presumably to apologize for his predecessor Harry Truman’s decision to drop atomic bombs on the two cities."…

Entire entry: campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/japan-nixed-obama-atomic-bomb-apology
 
Good that the Japanese nixed him. Just because he is a pathetic excuse for a leader, there is no need for them to put undue strains on the relationship that is keeping them safe by bringing up that can of worms.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Good that the Japanese nixed him. Just because he is a pathetic excuse for a leader, there is no need for them to put undue strains on the relationship that is keeping them safe by bringing up that can of worms.
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Obama is just perpetuating the Soviet based dis-information that made the use of the atomic bomb politically so unpopular that it couldn’t be used against them.
Also, bear in mind, that Japan has never apologized to anyone for the atrocities they committed against everyone they conquered in Asia during the 1930’s and '40’s. In their elementary and secondary schools they gloss over the fact that they lost WWII, and above all refuse to admit that it was their fault.
 
agnes_therese said:
Too bad that’s not what the cable actually says:
nationalreview.com/corner/279867/obama-wanted-apologize-hiroshima-jonah-goldberg
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I don’t have time right now, so I’ll just quote a couple of comments that raise points at, bolding mine: nationalreview.com/corner/279867/obama-wanted-apologize-hiroshima-jonah-goldberg

" RTP : 10/12/11 11:07

"‘He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘non-starter’,’ said the cable.

It also quoted Yabunaka as saying, ‘While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit.’"

**It is odd, though. Why would the Japanese even bring it up if it wasn’t part of a proposed agenda?

I mean, if it’s a non-starter for the Japanese, why would they mention it to the American delegation at all?**"

And:

"Robert Miller : 10/12/11 16:52

The cable explicitly says in Part 5:

" He [Yabunaka] underscored, however, that both
governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a “non-starter.”

The meaning’s clear…Obama wanted to apologize for Hiroshima (AKA America ending WWII victoriously, saving at least a million lives and bringing democracy to Japan). Otherwise, why mention it?"…
 
SwizzleStick said:
I don’t have time right now, so I’ll just quote a couple of comments that raise points at, bolding mine: nationalreview.com/corner/279867/obama-wanted-apologize-hiroshima-jonah-goldberg

" RTP : 10/12/11 11:07

"‘He underscored, however, that both governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘non-starter’,’ said the cable.

It also quoted Yabunaka as saying, ‘While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit.’"

**It is odd, though. Why would the Japanese even bring it up if it wasn’t part of a proposed agenda?

I mean, if it’s a non-starter for the Japanese, why would they mention it to the American delegation at all?**"

And:

"Robert Miller : 10/12/11 16:52

The cable explicitly says in Part 5:

" He [Yabunaka] underscored, however, that both
governments must temper the public’s expectations on such issues, as the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a “non-starter.”

The meaning’s clear…Obama wanted to apologize for Hiroshima (AKA America ending WWII victoriously, saving at least a million lives and bringing democracy to Japan). Otherwise, why mention it?"…
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The OP seems to fairly accurately reflect the gist of what was being said, unless I am seriously missing something too.🤷
 
Darryl1958 said:
The OP seems to fairly accurately reflect the gist of what was being said, unless I am seriously missing something too.🤷
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Nowhere does the cable say that he had offered to apologize. It talks about being careful not to let that expectation develop,and that’s right after a sentence concerning speculation by anti-nuclear groups.

Goodness, don’t we have enough real issues to use for complaining about Obama, without making more up?

(Never mind, I take that back. The answer is obvious.)
 
agnes_therese said:
Nowhere does the cable say that he had offered to apologize. It talks about being careful not to let that expectation develop,and that’s right after a sentence concerning speculation by anti-nuclear groups.

Goodness, don’t we have enough real issues to use for complaining about Obama, without making more up?

(Never mind, I take that back. The answer is obvious.)
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There is plenty of issues for you to complain about Obama if that is what you want.

To me though, it seems like that offer must have been on the table, for much the same reason as SwizzS already referred to.

It is a real issue for me, for much of the same reason that George already referred to.
I don’t agree with the leftist push for unilateral disamarament by deligitimizing American use of nuclear power.

I don’t want to see an apology or even hints of one thereof.
 
Darryl1958 said:
There is plenty of issues for you to complain about Obama if that is what you want.

To me though, it seems like that offer must have been on the table, for much the same reason as SwizzS already referred to.

It is a real issue for me, for much of the same reason that George already referred to.
I don’t agree with the leftist push for unilateral disamarament by deligitimizing American use of nuclear power.

I don’t want to see an apology or even hints of one thereof.
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Why don’t you lobby for nuclear power in Canada. I would prefer you keep it as far north as possible: although, even then, I would be skeptical.
THe whole article is speculation.
 
agnes_therese said:
Too bad that’s not what the cable actually says:
nationalreview.com/corner/279867/obama-wanted-apologize-hiroshima-jonah-goldberg
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Just did a search and found something else. The statement from the White House does indicate there was never a plan for Obama to apologize.

"WikiLeaks: Japan Rebuffed Idea Of U.S. Apology For Hiroshima

A tiny portion of a secret cable released last month by WikiLeaks is just now making its way to the United States. In the Sept. 2009 cable, U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos tells the Obama administration that Japan doesn’t think it’s a good idea for President Obama to visit Hiroshima or to apologize for using an atomic bomb on two Japanese cities during World War II. …
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Update at 4:42 p.m. ET. White House Response:

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor says that while the administration does not comment on leaked cables, “there was never any plan for the president to apologize. The President’s visit speaks for itself.”…

Excerpt from: npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/12/141276162/wikileaks-japan-rebuffed-idea-of-u-s-apology-for-hiroshima
 
So bombing innocent civilian targets with a nuclear bomb was a good thing?
2314 "Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation."110 A danger of modern warfare is that it provides the opportunity to those who possess modern scientific weapons especially atomic, biological, or chemical weapons - to commit such crimes.
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I think you have to be especially dense to not recognize that this applies to bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which had a large catholic population.
I don’t agree with the leftist push for unilateral disamarament by deligitimizing American use of nuclear power.
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John XXIII would disagree with you. His encyclical Pacem in Terris called for a banning and disarmament of nuclear weapons.
  1. Hence justice, right reason, and the recognition of man’s dignity cry out insistently for a cessation to the arms race. The stock-piles of armaments which have been built up in various countries must be reduced all round and simultaneously by the parties concerned. Nuclear weapons must be banned. A general agreement must be reached on a suitable disarmament program, with an effective system of mutual control.
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Pork_Roll said:
So bombing innocent civilian targets with a nuclear bomb was a good thing? I think you have to be especially dense to not recognize that this applies to bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which had a large catholic population.John XXIII would disagree with you. His encyclical Pacem in Terris called for a banning and disarmament of nuclear weapons.
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I think it is something that is better not even discussed between America and Japan, who are now allies in a world no less dangerous, as it has perpetually been since August 1945.
Yes, visit Hiropshima together by all means, and silently and grimly remember why—and why not too.
It is a hard cold reality, and an awesome symbol of the potential to exterminate all life on earth.

Japan has every reason to fear that North Korea might do the same, and America and its nuclear advantage is the ultimate protection from that.

Good that nuclear weapons would be banned, and not just because the next greatest weapon is discovered. Unilateral disarmament in a world where countries like Iran and Pakistan and China and Russia have the weapons is moral insanity on the other hand.
 
SwizzleStick said:
Just did a search and found something else. The statement from the White House does indicate there was never a plan for Obama to apologize.

"WikiLeaks: Japan Rebuffed Idea Of U.S. Apology For Hiroshima

A tiny portion of a secret cable released last month by WikiLeaks is just now making its way to the United States. In the Sept. 2009 cable, U.S. Ambassador to Japan John Roos tells the Obama administration that Japan doesn’t think it’s a good idea for President Obama to visit Hiroshima or to apologize for using an atomic bomb on two Japanese cities during World War II. …
…
Update at 4:42 p.m. ET. White House Response:

White House spokesman Tommy Vietor says that while the administration does not comment on leaked cables, “there was never any plan for the president to apologize. The President’s visit speaks for itself.”…

Excerpt from: npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/12/141276162/wikileaks-japan-rebuffed-idea-of-u-s-apology-for-hiroshima
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It is odd though. Why would the Japanese even bring this up, if there was not a plan to do so in the first place?
 
and fyi, japan didn’t start the war, if you read the real history not the american version, in the 1930’s america was blockading oil and food ships from reaching japan and they had no choice but to attack pearl harbor the headquarters for the pacific fleet, they didn’t attack hawaii or california.

japan are people like you or eye, and for americans to say it saved many lives, no it didn’t it killed 100k japanese with the radiation. american just traded what they thought where non humans for americans…and so many years on america has hate for japan, yet japan has never been in a war since, in fact they went to iraq to support americas rebuild efforts.

america just wanted to test there new toy and take a shortcut, and they didnt want to loss and face millions dead, they were cowards…killed children and woman, how would you feel if a american city was nuked…i would never forgive a nation nuking my country.

and for a poster, canada has nuclear reactors, and we have a provision with the american gov that alows america to give canada nuclear weapons if we are invaded.
 
Mar044 said:
and fyi, japan didn’t start the war, if you read the real history not the american version, in the 1930’s america was blockading oil and food ships from reaching japan and they had no choice but to attack pearl harbor the headquarters for the pacific fleet, they didn’t attack hawaii or california.

japan are people like you or eye, and for americans to say it saved many lives, no it didn’t it killed 100k japanese with the radiation. american just traded what they thought where non humans for americans…and so many years on america has hate for japan, yet japan has never been in a war since, in fact they went to iraq to support americas rebuild efforts.

america just wanted to test there new toy and take a shortcut, and they didnt want to loss and face millions dead, they were cowards…killed children and woman, how would you feel if a american city was nuked…i would never forgive a nation nuking my country.

and for a poster, canada has nuclear reactors, and we have a provision with the american gov that alows america to give canada nuclear weapons if we are invaded.
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I am not buying any of this revisionist stuff.
and it is the exact reason why American should not apologize for the role that she played in a war against some very malicious and evil forces during that time.

Japanese people are great, make no mistake about that. The militaristic government that led them was not, and was wantonly cruel.
 
SwizzleStick said:
"Japan nixed Obama atomic bomb apology

We haven’t heard much lately about what critics call Barack Obama’s world apology tour, in which he has told foreigners how sorry he is for America’s past misdeeds. But over at the Power Line blog my American Enterprise Institute colleague Steven Hayward has linked to a September 28 story in the Japan Times about how Obama reportedly sought in fall 2009 to visit Hiroshima and/or Nagasaki, presumably to apologize for his predecessor Harry Truman’s decision to drop atomic bombs on the two cities."…

Entire entry: campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/japan-nixed-obama-atomic-bomb-apology
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My father, who was severely wounded in combat with the Japanese and almost died, and who was slated to go in with the invasion of Japan, must be spinning in his grave like a top.

Obama is a pathetic, disgusting traitor, and we cannot get rid of him soon enough, AFAIC.
Mar044 said:
and fyi, japan didn’t start the war, if you read the real history not the american version, in the 1930’s america was blockading oil and food ships from reaching japan and they had no choice but to attack pearl harbor the headquarters for the pacific fleet, they didn’t attack hawaii or california.

japan are people like you or eye, and for americans to say it saved many lives, no it didn’t it killed 100k japanese with the radiation. american just traded what they thought where non humans for americans…and so many years on america has hate for japan, yet japan has never been in a war since, in fact they went to iraq to support americas rebuild efforts.

america just wanted to test there new toy and take a shortcut, and they didnt want to loss and face millions dead, they were cowards…killed children and woman, how would you feel if a american city was nuked…i would never forgive a nation nuking my country.

and for a poster, canada has nuclear reactors, and we have a provision with the american gov that alows america to give canada nuclear weapons if we are invaded.
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The only proper answer to this is a non-transitive verb followed by a primary pronoun.

Semper Fi.
 
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