jehovah witnesses

[Regardless]

I think y’all scared him off, he hasn’t posted in three days.

Sorry, i haven’t looked much at this site in last week. Didn’t feel like replying to posts. Some are pretty angry.

Several have said they were driven out of the organisation. Remember, no one becomes a witness without many months of Bible study and association. Then they would have to decide and ask to get baptised, then go through sets of questions to make sure they fully understand what they are getting into and really believe it.
It’s not a “Ha Ha! You have come to 3 meetings so now you’re a JW! If you leave now we will shun you!” sort of thing.

If you make an informed choice, dedicate yourself to Jehovah, and then later decide to live contrary to that promise, what do you expect? The congregation to keep treating you like nothing is wrong? It’s practically divorcing Jehovah.

I just stumbled on this site by accident and felt obliged to rebut a couple of incorrect statements. I didn’t really mean to get too involved.
I have since realised several posters are ex-witnesses who have withdrawn or been expelled from the congregation for some reason. One was trying to “be-friend” me, pretending he was just related to a witness and that’s why he knew stuff. Looking back on earlier posts I realise that was not true.

This concerned me somewhat. I prayed about it, and at our meeting on Sunday, on a totally unrelated matter the speaker sited psalms 26:4. “I have not sat with men of untruth or those who hide who they are…"
I straight away I thought of the insidious way internet forums can be used, with false names and details. I consider that an answer to my prayer.

If Jehovah was using internet forums to spread the good news he would get more competent people than me in his organisation to answer them.
And if people really want to know what JW’s teach and why, they will ask them when they call, not a forum infested with bitter JW drop-outs.

A friend in the ministry got told he was in a cult the other week. He pointed out cults are usually all secret about what they are doing and believe. “How much less secretive can we get than calling on people and offering to explain what we believe?” he replied. I thought that amusing.
And yet here I am writing under a fake name to people I know nothing about, some certainly trying to deceive or trip me.
What am I doing?

If you have serious questions, ask the witnesses when they call.
I’m not getting involved in these debates anymore. I see little point.

I pray for God’s blessing on you if you are searching for the truth.
“Read God’s word the Holy Bible every day!”

Regardless.

 

[excaliber]

Sorry, i haven’t looked much at this site in last week. Didn’t feel like replying to posts. Some are pretty angry.

Several have said they were driven out of the organisation. Remember, no one becomes a witness without many months of Bible study and association. Then they would have to decide and ask to get baptised, then go through sets of questions to make sure they fully understand what they are getting into and really believe it.
It’s not a “Ha Ha! You have come to 3 meetings so now you’re a JW! If you leave now we will shun you!” sort of thing.

If you make an informed choice, dedicate yourself to Jehovah, and then later decide to live contrary to that promise, what do you expect? The congregation to keep treating you like nothing is wrong? It’s practically divorcing Jehovah.

I just stumbled on this site by accident and felt obliged to rebut a couple of incorrect statements. I didn’t really mean to get too involved.
I have since realised several posters are ex-witnesses who have withdrawn or been expelled from the congregation for some reason. One was trying to “be-friend” me, pretending he was just related to a witness and that’s why he knew stuff. Looking back on earlier posts I realise that was not true.

This concerned me somewhat. I prayed about it, and at our meeting on Sunday, on a totally unrelated matter the speaker sited psalms 26:4. “I have not sat with men of untruth or those who hide who they are…"
I straight away I thought of the insidious way internet forums can be used, with false names and details. I consider that an answer to my prayer.

If Jehovah was using internet forums to spread the good news he would get more competent people than me in his organisation to answer them.
And if people really want to know what JW’s teach and why, they will ask them when they call, not a forum infested with bitter JW drop-outs.

A friend in the ministry got told he was in a cult the other week. He pointed out cults are usually all secret about what they are doing and believe. “How much less secretive can we get than calling on people and offering to explain what we believe?” he replied. I thought that amusing.
And yet here I am writing under a fake name to people I know nothing about, some certainly trying to deceive or trip me.
What am I doing?

If you have serious questions, ask the witnesses when they call.
I’m not getting involved in these debates anymore. I see little point.

I pray for God’s blessing on you if you are searching for the truth.
“Read God’s word the Holy Bible every day!”

Regardless.

I am guessing the person that you think is trying to trick you is myself, that is not the case. And if you examine this thread you will see that I have even defended Jehovah’s witnesses up to a point.

My mother IS a witness and my father was NOT a witness, I did not say that my mother was my only witness association, mabey you asumed this on your own.

I apologize if some of the posts seem angry, I knew that would happen so I sent you a private message to warn you.

The scripture about people who hide what they are in psalm…I remember it…wasn’t that one of the songs that were sung sunday?

It dose not apply to the internet brother, you hide your identity on the internet for your protection.

I am not disfellowshiped nor am I bitter at God, there is actualy no reason you can’t talk to me.

I feel that a Jehovah’s witnesses, gives testimony infront of other’s about the truth… meaning you should speak truth.
I like the ministry school that helps
with public speaking.

However as a witnesses I must warn you, do not set the watchtower organization up as an idle…it is not God, it can be questioned…meaning you don’t have to run from this website.

Most Jehovah’s witnesses ALWAYS
run from this website, what dose the truth have to run from?

The theme scripture for Jehovah’s witnesses this year is to" bear THOROUGH witness " isint it.

Why can’t witness be given on the internet? Can it only be done by taking people by surprise at the door?

I have a question. You mentioned friendship, this ties in DIRECTLY with Love, and with why Jehovah’s witnesses are one of the LEAST loving. And love is one of the identifying marks.

Would you be my friend if you knew I was not a potential convert?

Once you found out I was not an easy convert, and that I knew about the organization…would you be my friend? After all I love God.

My point is Jehovah’s witnesses show love only on sertain conditions.

1. you are a potential convert, then they are all over you.
2. Once you convert you are not loved for who you are as a person,
   but how well you do in the Organization.
3. If your not a convert, or a member DOING WELL knowone cares let alone loves you.

So Love is not a main characteristic of watchtower organization.

That being said, Im not bashing Jehovah’s witnesses. I don’t say this in anger. Jehovah’s witnesses do try to help people, but you see regardless love is a gift of the spirit…and because The Holy Spirit is not working ONLY through
Jehovah’s witnesses, they canot display the fruits of the spirit…unless its in a story in a watchtower magazine.

Regardless I hope you can look at these posts and THINK don’t be afraid to THINK.

 

[excaliber]

Let this be a witness to All Catholics. Watchtower theology dose not stand when brought before the light of Christ’s church.

It is unfortunate that regardless dose not understand WHY he canot win a debate here. It is because we are not as ignorant and vulnerable as some you surprise at the door.

But it is ironic that the ones giving the thorough witness is the Catholics. And the ones shuting of there computers are the Jehovah’s witnesses.

aaahhhhhuuumm!!!
I had to clear my throat for my victory song.

Holy Spirit my rock, my strength and my might, your truth we make known even on the internet.

Glorious Holy Spirit, HE is almighty in power!!! He is my hiding place,
He is my Tower.

Thank you!!! Thank You!!!

This next song is dedicated to Jehovah’s witnesses who think they can beat us in a debate.

We are ready!!!
We are ready!!!
We are ready!!!
For You!!!
LOL

 

[Regardless]

I wasn’t refering to you excaliber. You were making some good posts and I tried to compliment them. Not the angry ones I refer to. (though that last one was touching on gloating mate)

I don’t feel I need to flee because I’m out classed at all. I was having to apologise for hogging the thread a while back because I was trying to answer all at once!
I got all excited to start with when I could see a basic knowledge of the Bible and history could scuttle many of the claims some were making, and they then had to side-step the obvious conclusion the Bible shows. (I don’t think anyone dared address the “going to war and killing fellow Catholics” point in the post on showing love.)

But some here clearly state they are ex-witnesses. so if I have any respect for the discipline arrangements in JWs I shouldn’t be conversing with them.

I will probably log in and see how things are going. Might reply occasionally. But not going to waste time in lengthy debates if not getting anywhere.

All the best.

 

[Regardless]

PS. I love the smiley faces on this site. They can express your feelings which plain text cannot do.

 

[excaliber]

I wasn’t refering to you excaliber. You were making some good posts and I tried to compliment them. Not the angry ones I refer to. (though that last one was touching on gloating mate)

I don’t feel I need to flee because I’m out classed at all. I was having to apologise for hogging the thread a while back because I was trying to answer all at once!
I got all excited to start with when I could see a basic knowledge of the Bible and history could scuttle many of the claims some were making, and they then had to side-step the obvious conclusion the Bible shows. (I don’t think anyone dared address the “going to war and killing fellow Catholics” point in the post on showing love.)

But some here clearly state they are ex-witnesses. so if I have any respect for the discipline arrangements in JWs I shouldn’t be conversing with them.

I will probably log in and see how things are going. Might reply occasionally. But not going to waste time in lengthy debates if not getting anywhere.

All the best.

start your own thread about war.
I would love to talk about it, and anything in scripture. And if you don’t want to talk to ex jw’s…just don’t respond.

May I add that we can talk to ex Catholics because the truth won’t change, and ex catholics can’t tell us anything we don’t know.

You canot talk to an ex jw even if they love God…why?

Is it because an experienced Jw knows to much?

these are the things you should think about regardless.

Oh and by the way, I enjoy a nice gloat from time to time no hard feelings. I won’t do it if you start a thread on war. I think it will clear up misunderstanding.

And we would love to hear you explain Jehovah’s witnesses tactics
in war…DO NOTHING.

We would all be captured by now.

We would love to hear you explain
why Jehovah’s witnesses canot be police officers, Jehovah’s witnesses would rather…DO NOTHING.

The nation of Isreal didn’t …DO NOTHING…and that was a nation directed to war by God himself.

Well now that I called you out, I guess your going to HAVE to start that thread LOL

 

[survive]

Deciding a group is a cult or isn’t by one criterion (secret doctrines) as far as one member knows is like deciding a person’s ideal caloric intake by one factor, say, wrist size.
There are many definitions of “cult”, and your friend was probably told this in the sense of “a Bible-based system of belief that differs in central concepts from mainstream Christianity”, which is true of JW, or in the sense of “a controlling, extremely emotionally close, high-demand organization that uses either pressure, deception or disorientation to gain, retain and often wear out members”, which might be true too. Rather than laugh off the accusation as something ridiculous, why not consider it something to look into with an open mind, as I did a church I was in at one time? Remember it’s not an accusation against the member, who is usually just like any other spiritually-minded person, attracted to what looks righteous and true. It’s a test of the ideology itself, which is either true or false and must be tested.

 

[ricko]

It’s funny but we have on this forum Muslims, Protestants, non-Catholics, SDA, Mormons, Jews, etc. etc. But no Jehovah Witnesses. All of the people of different faiths disagree and discuss many things. At least they are willing to engage in meaningful debate (sometimes). But the JWs if and when they come on this forum do not last very long. Most of us know that you are forbidden to read publications of other churches as you’re taught that only the JWs books are true and should be read. Right? Well, that reminds me of the old Soviet Union and the Iron Curtain, no truth got through the Iron Curtain so the people inside the USSR were taught lies about the outside world. How easy to tell lies when there is nothing to counter them. Afraid of the truth? Why don’t you break out of the Iron Curtain, tear down the Berlin Wall and listen to what we have to say for a while. The truth will always prevail, don’t you believe that? So if you have the truth, then that truth will prevail. But if you REALLY believe you have the truth it must be put up to the light of the day. Can you do that?

 

[Regardless]

Ricko, i’m reading a book written by a catholic at the moment.
It’s called: “Hitlers Pope” by John Cornwell.

 

[Rolltide]

Ricko, i’m reading a book written by a catholic at the moment.
It’s called: “Hitlers Pope” by John Cornwell.

As a professional historian, (and in the interest of presenting both sides of the issue) might I recommend a book on the opposing view for when you are finished?

It’s called “The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: Pope Pius XII and His Secret War Against Nazi Germany” by David G. Dalin. Interestingly, it’s written by a Jew…

You may also want to consider looking at some of the more recent scholarship within the last year or two on Pope Pius XII. Since “Hitler’s Pope” was written, the Vatican Archives have been opened, and the historical evidence has done much to exonerate the pope since that book was written.

 

[Deconi]

I wasn’t refering to you excaliber. You were making some good posts and I tried to compliment them. Not the angry ones I refer to. (though that last one was touching on gloating mate)

I don’t feel I need to flee because I’m out classed at all. I was having to apologise for hogging the thread a while back because I was trying to answer all at once!
I got all excited to start with when I could see a basic knowledge of the Bible and history could scuttle many of the claims some were making, and they then had to side-step the obvious conclusion the Bible shows. (I don’t think anyone dared address the “going to war and killing fellow Catholics” point in the post on showing love.)

But some here clearly state they are ex-witnesses. so if I have any respect for the discipline arrangements in JWs I shouldn’t be conversing with them.

I will probably log in and see how things are going. Might reply occasionally. But not going to waste time in lengthy debates if not getting anywhere.

All the best.

Matey, in Catholicism, there’s no such thing as being outclassed! The Catholic Church did not give the Bible to the world so that only scholars can read it and tell us WHAT HOLY WRIT SAYS!

The Gospel is not given for the salvation of intellects. It is for ALL and written so that even a child who can read will understand it!

After you read “Hitler’s Pope” then read the news last year of the Jewish community, who are survivors of the holocaust of Nazism, attending The Vatican on the anniversary of the death of Pope Pius who saved them! Read the papers in secular news; not just Catholic print!

The history Professor’s (Rolltide) recommendation is a good one because the author is not Catholic, but a Jew whose people were directly the subject of the allegations againt The Vatican and The Pope at the time. If you don’t like that, read the papers or google the news of last year.

From the beginning you thought JWs were hated. You’re now reading one of the books against The Catholic Church and you will find trillions of similar publications, and thousands in every hundred years of history! Even by ex-Catholics. Martin Luther was a Catholic just as Judas was! We claim them with humility, for we ourselves can ‘fall’ as they did if we depart from the understanding of what Our Lord and Saviour did when He started The Church!

His Church, like Him, is hated throughout history by they who do not understand, or want to at least listen first and then decide if they want Him and His Church!

The difference is, bring on all the accusations to The Light, and they will be exposed when illuminated. We have NO FEAR of any of the anti-Catholic allegations because Jesus promised guidance to The Church and *"…I will be with you, always." *

I’m not ex JW so I doubt you were refering to me for the ‘pretentious’ friendship! I am a Kiwi, complete with the 'Number Eight Wire" mentality that gave the world nuclear power when ‘we’ spilt the atom in a ‘garage.’

Speaking the truth is not boasting. It is informing!

Haere ra.

 

[ricko]

Ricko, i’m reading a book written by a catholic at the moment.
It’s called: “Hitlers Pope” by John Cornwell.

No problem. Remember it’s easy to make an accusation it’s another thing to back it up. Just a LITTLE reasearch will prove the book to be false. I remember a picture where Golda Meir was thanking the Pope for his help in WWII. She sure would not be doing that if the book were true!

catholicleague.org/pius.php?id=19

 

[Regardless]

As a professional historian, (and in the interest of presenting both sides of the issue) might I recommend a book on the opposing view for when you are finished?

It’s called “The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: Pope Pius XII and His Secret War Against Nazi Germany” by David G. Dalin. Interestingly, it’s written by a Jew…

Ok Rolltide. I will look into it. thanks.
I would genuinely be interested in an explaination on that one.
There was a secret war going on he says?
Wikipedia has a small write up on the book.

You see, this “involvement in war” thing is one that really makes me believe the Witnesses are true Christians.

The ancient Israelite nation did fight wars as Excaliber said.
But does God take sides in wars among nations today?

Proffessed Christians have been very involved in modern times. The most notable example is WW2.

Which side was God on? Allies or Axis?
Either way, why were hundreds of thousands of Catholics fighting against God? (on the wrong side) Didn’t the catholic church (supposedly God’s representitive on earth) get told which side God was on? The Pope was declared infallible about 1880. Surely he could have told the faithful and not have had to resort to a secret war.

If you say: “God didn’t support either side.” Then why did millions of “Christians” fight? What happened to the “love your neighbour” command.

Someone earlier said: “JWs did nothing!” during the war.
Of course not. They are Christian. They can’t take up arms and try to kill people. Jesus said “love your neighbour.”
So they faced the consequences. In Nazi Germany they got it worst.
They wouldn’t even say “Heil Hitler”. (Salvation we owe to Hitler.) since they believe they owe salvation to Jesus.
So: concentration camps for most JWs.

Yes, JW’s did nothing. – None declaring they “Heil Hitler”, none fighting in Hitlers military to defend his rule.
Awkward question: Can the current Pope say the same?

Malachi 3:18 says in last days we would see the difference between true and false servants of God. Jesus said you’d tell by their “fruitage” (what they produce) in matt 7.

Sorry guys, if there is a true Christian religion on earth today, by that test, It is not the catholic church.

 

[ricko]

Regardless, WWII was not a religious war and the Pope had nothing to do with it other than secretly save thousands of Jews. You might also consider that had the US and all the other allies not fought the Axis and won you would be under Nazi rule today. Millions of Americans lost their lifes so you would be free today. We don’t know if God takes sides like you say. But we do know that He is on the side that is just. I would say that the Allies were just in defeating Germany and Japan. Haven’t you ever seen the movies of the death camps?

 

[ricko]

You know of course the verse," if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" (Matt. 5:39). But did you know what else Jesus said? “let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one” (Luke 22:36). Some do not understand what the bible is saying. For that understanding you have to read the whole bible, not use a verse here and there. It is telling Christians not to love violence and to pursue peace whenever possible. But it does not mean to let evil overcome good.
Added weight is given to this realization when one recognizes that Scripture – all of Scripture – is inspired by God (2 Tim. 3:16). This means that the Old Testament is just as inspired as the New Testament and thus an expression of the will of Christ.

The Old Testament acknowledges frankly that there is “a time to kill” (Eccles. 3:3). At various times in the Old Testament, God commanded the Israelites to defend their nation by force of arms. Yet it was always with the recognition that peace is the goal to be worked for. Thus the psalmist exclaims, “how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity!” (Ps. 133:1). Peace is the goal, but when it cannot be achieved without force, force must be used.

 

[Rolltide]

Ok Rolltide. I will look into it. thanks.
I would genuinely be interested in an explaination on that one.
There was a secret war going on he says?
Wikipedia has a small write up on the book.

By “secret war”, the author is referring to an organized underground movement to hide Jews from the Nazis by the Catholic Church, often within the walls of the Vatican itself.

You see, this “involvement in war” thing is one that really makes me believe the Witnesses are true Christians.

The ancient Israelite nation did fight wars as Excaliber said.
But does God take sides in wars among nations today?

God is on the side of justice. His “side” in war is to see that it ends as quickly as possible and with as few casualties as possible for BOTH sides. That said, it does not seem very likely that God would support the actions of a government like Nazi Germany, which had an organized policy to exterminate millions of innocent people, including, I might add, the institutional slaughter of the Jehovah’s Witnesses within German territories.

Proffessed Christians have been very involved in modern times. The most notable example is WW2.

True. People of all religions were involved in World War II.

Which side was God on? Allies or Axis?

God was not “on” either side. God supports just actions, and wants us to obey His laws. God forbids killing in the Ten Commandments, and yet… it IS just to kill in self-defense (in certain very limited circumstances). For example, if a man breaks into my house with a gun, and truly threatens to kill my family, I am allowed to protect them and kill the intruder, given that ALL other reasonable options have been exercised and there is NO other choice. This is a defensible action in the eyes of God, because the intent is the protection of the family, NOT the death of the criminal. This is called the principle of double effect. The death of the criminal is the result of the unavoidable effort to save the lives of a larger number of people. That does not make the killing a good thing. I certainly would NEVER want to be put in that position. But, it is not a sin. The sin is on the intruder for putting me in the position of having to kill him to save lives.

Either way, why were hundreds of thousands of Catholics fighting against God? (on the wrong side)

So, you agree that there WAS a right side then? How is that possible, coming from your position that God is not for war?

Didn’t the catholic church (supposedly God’s representitive on earth) get told which side God was on? The Pope was declared infallible about 1880.

Ah… you have a misunderstanding of infallibility. The pope is infallible, but NOT impeccable. Impeccable means to be perfect and free from sin. That is impossible, since we all sin. Infallible is a highly “limited” power, meaning that the pope is protected by the Holy Spirit from error ONLY when announcing a ruling that relates to faith and/or morals, and even then, ONLY if he specifically announces that he is using the power. In fact, since infallibility was officially defined, he has used the power just twice.

Surely he could have told the faithful and not have had to resort to a secret war.

As you will learn from the rebuttal to the arguments in “Hitler’s War”, the pope engaged in numerous efforts to save the lives of Jews. Although it can be argued that more could have been done, it is hardly fair to say that the pope did nothing. Of all Christian denominations, in fact, Catholics spoke out against the injustices perhaps the most strongly.

If you say: “God didn’t support either side.” Then why did millions of “Christians” fight? What happened to the “love your neighbour” command.

God supported truth and justice for BOTH sides. He wanted the righteous to speak out. There WERE Germans who resisted. There WERE allies who were sympathizers and racists. Evil was found on both sides. As the recent movie Valkyrie demonstrates, there were even Nazis that recognized the evil of their regime and fought to end it. Many wars ARE unjust and wrong and condemned by the Catholic Church. Some, however, can be justified for the same reason as the intruder example given above. If a war is unprovoked, one can act in self-defense in an effort to stop injustice. In the case of World War II, action prevented the extinction of many groups (including your own), and despite the horrendous death toll, probably saved even more lives from being lost.

 

[Rolltide]

…continued

Someone earlier said: “JWs did nothing!” during the war.
Of course not. They are Christian. They can’t take up arms and try to kill people. Jesus said “love your neighbour.”
So they faced the consequences. In Nazi Germany they got it worst.
They wouldn’t even say “Heil Hitler”. (Salvation we owe to Hitler.) since they believe they owe salvation to Jesus.
So: concentration camps for most JWs.

You are correct. The atrocities committed by the Germans against Jehovah’s Witnesses are an often forgotten chapter of the war and truly awful. Fortunately, others fought to stop the spread of Nazism, preventing your organization from extinction. Many Catholic priests also went to the gas chambers, such as St. Maximilian Kolbe, who gave up his own life in substitution for a Jew who was about to be executed.

Yes, JW’s did nothing. – None declaring they “Heil Hitler”, none fighting in Hitlers military to defend his rule.
Awkward question: Can the current Pope say the same?

Yes, he can. When Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) was 14 years old, he was forced, like ALL German boys, into the Hitler Youth. Joseph Ratzinger never attended the meetings, as is proven by Nazi records demonstrating that they were looking for him. You see, young Joseph Ratzinger watched a year earlier as his cousin, who suffered from Down’s Syndrome and was mentally handicapped, was taken from their neighborhood and sent to be executed. There was no room for physical flaws in Nazi Germany. This caused both he and his father extreme hatred for the Nazis. The future pope’s father allowed the German underground and American spies to operate out of their house, and when Joseph Ratzinger and his brother were old enough to join the army, they deserted, hiding out until the end of the war. When the Allies finally entered Germany, they allowed them to use their house as a local headquarters, providing food and medical supplies to them as needed. Far from being a Nazi, you would be hard pressed to find many people who were more opposed to the Nazis in Germany than the current pope and his family. By the way, are you aware that the pope has a relative who is a Jehovah’s Witness, and that he helped to hide their family from the Nazi’s during the war?

Malachi 3:18 says in last days we would see the difference between true and false servants of God. Jesus said you’d tell by their “fruitage” (what they produce) in matt 7.

Sorry guys, if there is a true Christian religion on earth today, by that test, It is not the catholic church.

I think that the Catholic Church acted admirably during the war. Certainly the actions of Pope Benedict (and Pope John Paul II) are extremely commendable.

 

[excaliber]

Regardless I would like you to get me even ONE document of the Catholic Church that shows that the church supported the nazi’s.

So…you think its Christian to let other people fight and die to save Jehovah’s witnesses and all others from the nazis, while you benefit
from there sacrifice and yet do nothing?

You think its Christian to refuse to join the police force. But when a crime takes place who do Jehovah’s witnesses call??..The police. Isint that hypocrisy? far from Christian.

Ok so Jehovah’s witnesses won’t fight against evil…but you say that they are more Christian then
Catholics. Well there are many other things Jehovah’s witnesses CAN do. Name ONE hospital even ONE that was built by Jehovahs witnesses…oh not even one??

Ok well how about homeless shelters, it was realy cold this winter. Name the shelter that was built by Jehovahs witnesses?..oh
not even one.

How about a college? even mormans have one. Oh yea Jehovah’s witnesses have not built even one.

Well sertainly watchtower organization takes care of there own…since they aren’t helping anyone else…OH yea watchtower just lay off there most devoted members at bethel. Making them leave. Perhaps regardless, you would like to explain to the forum what a bethelite is…and that they have no home outside bethel because they trust there organization to take care of them, the next thing they know they have no home.
Explain this to the forum.

Malachi 3:18 says it will be obvious in the last days who is serving God. Well it obviously isn’t
the Jehovah’s witnesses Organization.

 

[ricko]

Right on Excaliber, I have never seen JWs practice Christianity.
“Lord, Lord, let us in” “Go away I do not know you, when did you care for the sick, feed the poor” One thing Regardless had right, you can tell Christians by their fruits.

 

[Rolltide]

Right on Excaliber, I have never seen JWs practice Christianity.
“Lord, Lord, let us in” “Go away I do not know you, when did you care for the sick, feed the poor” One thing Regardless had right, you can tell Christians by their fruits.

Let me be quick to point out that Catholics DO believe that there are good people within the JW organization, and that being a JW in and of itself does not necessarily disqualify one from salvation. Catholics simply think that the beliefs of the JWs contain serious errors, ones serious enough that they might actually endanger salvation. We know that you probably feel similarly (if not more so) about the Catholic Church. You seem like a good person, Regardless, and we are glad that you have joined us here for a healthy debate.