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hosemonkey
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Demonic is as demonic does. They could all benefit from a good old-fashioned exorcism. In all charity, of course.
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juliamajor
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Sorry Hosemonkey- you’re absolutely correct (as usual
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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when I was one the idea of an exorcism would have put me in a melt down of terror. I was taught by the JWs that the crucifix and Holy Water and the prayers Catholics say are the very things that would get you possessed! I was afraid to even TOUCH a crucifix!
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juliamajor
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If your organization weren’t so damaging this whole scenario would be laughable- Too bad
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BibleSteve
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Once again, it is a plain fact that there is NO scriptural explanation for who is responsible for the event. It is not attributed to YHWH. You are making a complete assumption that “God had his own reasons for causing that miracle”… there is no scripture that says that. You are using your own bias without any scriptural support. And when I’ve pointed out you have no scriptural support, you insult me and say who cares?
Why do you believe as you do? It is because a religious organization told you what to believe and you simply went along with what they said without applying any effort to scriptural reasoning.
If you are truly interested in the understanding the truth, you’d realize you have a belief unsupport by scripture.
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hosemonkey
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BibleSteve,
Why have you not addressed my question about the Magi?
“Exactly. And if the Magi had evil intent, why did they not go back to Herod and rat the Holy Family out, but instead “departed to their own country by another way?” Herod was no fool, he knew that the Child Jesus represented a terrible threat to him.So he took the despot’s way out, he simply killed all the males under two years old in BETHLEHEM, BibleSteve, not Jerusalem. He was simply an evil man.”
I am interested to know what kind of spin you JWs put on this one.
Why have you not addressed my question about the Magi?
“Exactly. And if the Magi had evil intent, why did they not go back to Herod and rat the Holy Family out, but instead “departed to their own country by another way?” Herod was no fool, he knew that the Child Jesus represented a terrible threat to him.So he took the despot’s way out, he simply killed all the males under two years old in BETHLEHEM, BibleSteve, not Jerusalem. He was simply an evil man.”
I am interested to know what kind of spin you JWs put on this one.
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juliamajor
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BibleSteve
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The Bible does not specifically say who was the cause of this star.and your not making an assumption when your org says it was some kind of “evil” star it says nothing- so why do you assume a negative?
A thinking and reasoning Christian would thus explore all possibilities.
What were the results of this event? Attempted murder of Jesus and slaughter of innocent babies?
Is this what YHWH wanted? Is this what Satan wanted?
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TraditionalCath
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precisely what the watchtrower organization is not, it is NOT supported by Scripture at all since your org CHANGES the Scriptures to suit their belief. it is NOT supported by scripture and all the disciples of the watchtower organization believe the spew and follow it blindly. some even to their deaths. sadly.
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BibleSteve
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The question is who caused the supernatural event.
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BibleSteve
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Completely off topic. What scriptural evidence can you provide that the vision of a supernatural star was produce by YHWH and not Satan?
Do you admit there is no evidence it came from YHWH?
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juliamajor
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When there is a void of information you assume a negative? No scripture-no scripture says it was a malignant star-you sir don’t have a biblical leg to stand on-yeah your religious organization doesn’t influence you at all!!
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TraditionalCath
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the question is, why do you care? the question is, why do you follow a belief that has no merit whatsoever? the org has proven false many times and predicted the end of the system of things falsely and shrugs it off. guess what? there is NO untruth with God, therefore your org has no connection to Him who is eternal at all.
lies originate with the devil, and not God.
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TraditionalCath
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can you prove it came from satan?
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juliamajor
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THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IT DIDN’T
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BibleSteve
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**The Bible’s Viewpointcould you imagine what they’d do if you came toward them with a rosary
Should You Pray to the Virgin Mary?**
MARY is a familiar figure to most people who know anything about Christianity. The Scriptures relate that Almighty God particularly blessed this young woman by choosing her to be the mother of Jesus. Jesus’ birth was unique in that Mary was a virgin when she conceived him. Certain churches of Christendom have long reserved a special veneration for Mary. In 431*C.E., the Council of Ephesus proclaimed her “Mother of God,” and today many people are taught to pray to her.
Sincere worshippers know that they must address their prayers to the right person. What does the Bible teach in this regard? Should Christians pray to the Virgin Mary?****
What About the Rosary?
Many who pray to Mary have been taught that blessings can be gained by the repetition of set formulas—prayers such as the Hail Mary, Our Father, and others. For Catholics, “the most widespread form of Marian devotion [that is, devotion to Mary] is without doubt the rosary,” says the book Symbols of Catholicism. The rosary is a religious exercise in honor of the Virgin Mary. The term also refers to the string of beads used to count prayers. “Five sets of ten beads, separated by an individual bead,” explains the same book, “are an invitation to fifty recitations of ‘Hail Mary’, five of ‘Our Father’, and five of ‘Glory be to the Father.’” Does God listen with favor to the devout recitation of the rosary?
Again, the instructions that Jesus gave to his disciples provide us with an authoritative answer. “When praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do,” he said, “for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.” (Matthew 6:7) So Jesus specifically told his followers to avoid repeating set formulas in their prayers.
‘But didn’t Jesus teach his disciples to repeat the Our Father, which is part of the rosary?’ someone may ask. It is to be acknowledged that Jesus provided a model prayer, which has come to be known as the Our Father, or the Lord’s Prayer. We should note, however, that he did so immediately after giving the above warning against saying “the same things over and over again.” That Jesus did not intend for the model prayer to be repeated by rote is also evident from differences in his expressions in the two recorded instances in which he taught his disciples to pray. (Matthew 6:9-15; Luke 11:2-4) The ideas Jesus expressed on those occasions were similar, but his words were not the same. This leads us to the conclusion that Jesus was simply providing models or examples of how his followers can pray and of what they can appropriately pray for. Most important, his words indicated who should be the recipient of prayer.
Respect for Mary
The fact that the Scriptures do not teach Christians to pray to Mary in no way implies a lack of respect for the role she played in the outworking of God’s purposes. The blessings that come through her Son will be to the eternal benefit of all obedient mankind. “All generations will pronounce me happy,” Mary herself stated. And her cousin Elizabeth said that Mary was “blessed ... among women.” Indeed, she was. It was a wonderful privilege for Mary to be chosen to bear the Messiah.—Luke 1:42, 48,*49.
However, Mary is not the only woman whom the Scriptures call blessed. Because of the actions that Jael took for the benefit of the ancient nation of Israel, she too was said to have been “most blessed among women.” (Judges 5:24) Faithful Jael, Mary, and many other godly women mentioned in the Bible are certainly worthy of our imitation—but not of our veneration.
Mary was a faithful follower of Jesus. She was present on various occasions during his earthly ministry and also at his death. After Jesus’ resurrection she was “persisting in prayer” with Jesus’ brothers. This gives us reason to believe that along with them she too was anointed with holy spirit at Pentecost33C.E. and thus shared the hope of being part of the bride class that will reign in heaven with Christ.—Matthew 19:28; Acts 1:14; 2:1-4; Revelation 21:2,*9.
None of this, though, authorizes us to pray to Mary. Heartfelt prayer is an essential part of worship, and Christians are encouraged to “persevere in prayer.” (Romans 12:12) However, all such worshipful devotion should be directed to Jehovah alone, through Jesus Christ.—Matthew 4:10; 1*Timothy 2:5.
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hosemonkey
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I am losing patience with your obtuseness, but I will say that I require no scriptural justification or explanation for the miracle of the star, the Watchtower organization has gone to the extent of re-writing and modifying scripture in order to force it to conforn to your pagan beliefs. Therefore your cries for scriptural validation fall on deaf ears. You have so disrespected scripture by your clumsy mutilations that you can no longer claim scripture as your validation. No one else uses your bastardized version as reference. You stand alone in your reliance on the NWT, cobbled together by amateurs and duffers, disregarded by the rest of the legitimate world.
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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the result of the star was the slaughter of innocents? I don’t think so. The result of the star was that the magi found Jesus and became believers…the slaughter of innocents happened because Jesus was born period and Herod was an evil man. It would have happened whether there was a star in the sky or not.
And if you remember the choir of angels singing in heaven…how could the devil get that close to the newborn Jesus? No way angels would have let that happen.
If Satan KNEW where Jesus was, and put a star there to mark it then what happened----why didn’t the star just tell Herod which one to kill? Why did all the babies have to die? Why couldn’t Satan put another star up there for the assassins to see, or just leave that one up to follow Jesus around or something? If it was Satan’s star, seems to me it backfired.
Makes no sense. JWs are trying to connect two things that were not connected.
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BibleSteve
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The “standard” explanation is that the event came from YHWH. I’m simply pointing out that is a complete assumption without any scriptural support.When there is a void of information you assume a negative? No scripture-no scripture says it was a malignant star-you sir don’t have a biblical leg to stand on-yeah your religious organization doesn’t influence you at all!!
The results of the entire event were evil, filled with attempted murder and murder.
There is no reason to assume the event was from YHWH and to insult those who question the lack of scriptural support for the unfounded assumption.
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