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DavidFilmer
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Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno (the “Pope’s Astronomer”) is first religious brother to receive this prestigious science award.
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ProVobis
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FWIW, I won the Bausch and Lomb Science Award when I was in high school.
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LongingSoul
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It really is heartening when the secular world recognises the value of the work of a dedicated religious scientist. It helps break down the perception that religion and science aren’t compatible.
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Path_Finder
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Sometimes it seems as though Carl Sagan was said to be an Atheist, no ifs, ands or buts but this article takes that idea to task:
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CaptFun
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… and to this DAY he sometimes uses two “I’s” in a sentence!
What is an Astroometer … and how is it pronounced? Is this a serious honor or something akin to being named Mad Magazine’s “Man of the Year” given that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan < quote above is from … Wikipedia
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CaptFun
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OK. This IS better than my jocular snarkiness.
Stay humble. < That said … :clapping: :tiphat:
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J_Peterson
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I find that quote a bit funny. The religion of Jesus was Judaism so it would have been different from the early Christianity of Paul.… and to this DAY he sometimes uses two “I’s” in a sentence!
What is an Astroometer … and how is it pronounced? Is this a serious honor or something akin to being named Mad Magazine’s “Man of the Year” given that
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan < quote above is from … Wikipedia
Whether or not Sagan belived in God while he was alive is irrelevant because he certainly believes now.
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ProVobis
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You got me.… and to this DAY he sometimes uses two “I’s” in a sentence!
“…when in high school” is better, leaving it out is best, because that’s the only time they give out the award. Point is, awards like this are all subjective.Yes, but Carl Sagan really didn’t give out this medal.
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unafraid
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Father George Lamaitre, the Jesuit priest who postulated the Big Bang Theory, must surely be applauding from his place in heaven.
Also, this flies in the face of the modern trend that promotes the sentiment that faith and reason are mutually exclusive of each other. Very positive (and surprising) development.
Also, this flies in the face of the modern trend that promotes the sentiment that faith and reason are mutually exclusive of each other. Very positive (and surprising) development.
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CaptFun
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youtube.com/watch?v=BBCFQtDLPA0 < Carl Sagan on Religion
youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4jTUF3CLo < God: A reassuring fable (Sagan)
A few nice words regarding humility. Advocacy towards knowledge (which is not counter to what my faith, which builds schools - regardless of the fact that Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge).
Sagan had a questioning mind that took a look around and learned things … then for some reason seems to have stopped learning, came to a dismissive secular conclusion and retained a raft of criticisms of faith. Some criticism is valid and would agree with Jesus (Sagans criticism of human arrogance and hypocrisy for instance). But his conclusions that God is but “a reassuring fable” and a “not required designer” (paraphrase) - are such that a “Jesuit Astronomer” might think twice about publicly accepting an award that bears his name (lest people conclude Sagan was right about more things than certain facts about the known universe he reported on his program).
youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4jTUF3CLo < God: A reassuring fable (Sagan)
A few nice words regarding humility. Advocacy towards knowledge (which is not counter to what my faith, which builds schools - regardless of the fact that Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge).
Sagan had a questioning mind that took a look around and learned things … then for some reason seems to have stopped learning, came to a dismissive secular conclusion and retained a raft of criticisms of faith. Some criticism is valid and would agree with Jesus (Sagans criticism of human arrogance and hypocrisy for instance). But his conclusions that God is but “a reassuring fable” and a “not required designer” (paraphrase) - are such that a “Jesuit Astronomer” might think twice about publicly accepting an award that bears his name (lest people conclude Sagan was right about more things than certain facts about the known universe he reported on his program).
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ProVobis
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Speaking of humility, I did once find this quote of his very much to that point:
“For as long as there have been humans we have searched for our place in the cosmos. Where are we? Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a hum-drum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people…We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers.” Cosmos chap VII
I believe as Catholics we very much had those questions answered.
“For as long as there have been humans we have searched for our place in the cosmos. Where are we? Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a hum-drum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people…We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers.” Cosmos chap VII
I believe as Catholics we very much had those questions answered.
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KSU
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On the last day of our High School Senior Class, per tradition all of the Sisters (teachers) left the building for three hours and appointed one trusted
Senior to be Principal of the day–me. It was to teach us responsibility.So I promptly called my girl friend down to the Principal’s office on the school’s public intercom and got a kiss in the Principal’s office. I wouldn’t trade that reward for Billions and Billions of Carl Sagan awards.
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McCartney
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And they say the Catholic Church does not support science.
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ProVobis
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I don’t think the Catholic Church suppressed the Jesuits because of their advances in science.
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LongingSoul
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You’ve spoken of the suppression of the Jesuits before in this tone but retrospect has exonerated the Jesuits and indicted European politics of the times that the Church was overly beholden to. It’s unfortunate that it still continues in some areas, to taint the magnificient history of St Ignatius’ Jesuit mission.
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ProVobis
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Fair enough, but couldn’t the same (or almost the same) can be said for the likes of Galileo et al? In fact, in his book “How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization” Woods points out that Fr Christopher Clavius and his fellow Jesuit astronomers had confirmed Galileo’s discoveries. It’s in the chapter on “The Church and Science,” and a very good read.
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McCartney
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I wasn’t talking about the Catholic Church. Many Anti-Catholics try to say that Catholics try to oppose science.
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ProVobis
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Right. It’s not only Catholics, though, and much of that has nothing to do with Jesuits per se.
Although the more I think about it, the science promoted by the very ancient Greeks was not put to such a test, it seems.
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