Jesus’ burial site found - film claims

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The last word? The final “nail in the coffin”?

I think “yes”.

From the Archaeological Institute fo America website:

archaeological.org/webinfo.php?page=10408
Perfect… and these are the type of materials that the media should be putting forth, but then *we all know *why they don’t, and that is ‘TRUTH DOESN’T SELL’. There is absolutely, positively, NO WAY to definitively prove these graves belong to any specific person, never mind Jesus. How can they, unless they find a vile of DNA sitting on a shelf with the label, “sample, Jesus of Nazareth” on it, to compare to the ossuary. And Jacobovich knows this, and this allows him to make any claim he want. This is Erik Von Daken stuff my friends, the old ‘show me a ancient carving on a hillside in Peru, and I’ll show you space aliens’. Look at ‘Archeology Magazine’ and read what they say. This is bogus, bad science, and even worse, a heresy perpetrated by Hollywood for money and ultimately to degrade Christianity. Don’t kid yourselves, these guys know EXACTLY what they are doing. Names on tombs mean nothing, cooking up odds and statistics mean nothing. I didn’t know that ‘the odds of something possibly being true’ is the same thing as ‘actually being true beyond a shadow of a doubt’. But to Hollywood, **not **being able to DISPROVE it, is just as sweet, because that means, $$$$. It has been a topic on Catholic Radio lately and they have been pounding it. Lets let this die.
 
I read posts from others on another message board, including those that don’t agree with the documentary, and plenty of people feel that Koppel kept interrupting his guests and put his journalistic professionalism aside, coming across as biased.
He was facilitating a discussion, there were times that certain guests, particularly the documentary maker was trying to monopolize the discussion. It was part of his job to interrupt a guest who was trying to prevent the opposing side from being heard. Remember, the documentary maker had just had 2 hours to present his case, the other guests had only a few minutes.

As regards to his bias, I took that as healthy skepticism. The Documentary makes extraordinary claims about the tomb in question and those claims demand extraordinary proof. Other than a few back of the envolope statistical calculations, the 2 hours did little more than build speculation on top of speculation. Its not journalistic bias to call a spade a spade.


Bill
 
From my observations and talking with others I have found that this docu-drama has not made it into the mass public media:)

I would actually never have known about this except for that one report on the Today Show - they have not talked about it again since then. My husband listens to NPR and he said they made a mention of it but that is it.

Our Priest did indeed talk about it in his homily this past Sunday because he has talked to a number of Parishioners who had asked him about it. Most probably heard about it for the first time on the Today Show but unlike me, they did not know of a source to go to for answers - as soon as I heard it that Monday morning, I came hear to CAF to see if it had already been talked about and sure enough this thread was up and running (for a couple of days prior to the Today Show’s report).

I knew I could depend on my friends here to help me with better documentation that this was just another hoax and attempt to discredit Christianity 😉 .

Got to go get ready for my day.

Brenda V.
 
As a Biologist I have a problem with the science::confused: used in this show. The biggest problem is the assumption that all the people named on the ossuaries were contemporaries. The use of ossuaries was used for about a century. There was no relationship in time between the individuals shown on the ossuaries or from any other source. Therefore the ossuaries came from a span of time covering 4 to 5 generations, which unravels the statistical equation, which assumed all the people lived at the same time.
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Another problem is the outright assumption that the named Mariemne and Jesus were unrelated and thus had to be married:rolleyes: .  Again there is no spatial (time) relationship outside the century of ossuary use.  As to the lack of DNA relationship (female side only) the show completely discounts male side cousins and father,s-in-law.:ehh: 

From this I must conclude the show is just a piece of drama ment to drum up ratings by making untenable assumptions and grasping for facts.::nerd:
 
The last word? The final “nail in the coffin”?

I think “yes”.

From the Archaeological Institute fo America website:

archaeological.org/webinfo.php?page=10408
I appreciate this link. The writer made her points very clearly in words and phrases I can understand. I never for a moment entertained a notion that this was the tomb of Jesus, but it’s nice to have a clear understanding on a level that isn’t based on faith.

Did that sound right?

I mean to say that I have no doubt that Jesus resurrected from the dead and ascended into heaven. That’s based on my faith. But now I understand in secular terms why this whole concept is a bunch of baloney.
 
I’m recording the documentary as I type. 2.5 hours including commercials on Vision TV.

I intend to watch it more in depth later.
 
I was very disappointed when I watched the interviews last night. I was hoping that the Church’s side would be prepared to refute these claims with well respected experts in the field.
Instead, what we saw were people who have no expertise in this area, including Albert Mohler Jr. (President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) sweating and smirking all throughout the Larry King interview while William Donohue, President of Catholic League was ranting about this and that along with yelling at Jacobovici. Neither had anything to offer the disussion and I fear they made Christians look ill informed and threatened. *I wholeheartedly believe what our *Bible and Holy Mother Church tells us about Jesus and I expect that this Tomb of Jesus story will all be disproved. But I want it disproved by the best “qualified” people in the biz not by my fellow lay Christians who just don’t like the story. As I said before, we are more than happy to use science when it can help prove Christianity.
I learned here on CAF that the Church is open to anyone investigating it’s teachings and that she welcomes it. This is no different.
Assuming we’ve been taught correctly
, there should be credible, respected individuals with much expertise in the areas necessary coming out of the woodwork to debunk this whole thing. Time and time again, I’ve read people using scientific facts to support our beliefs and teachings, even in this forum. In fact, just today someone posted a link for the Miracle at Lanciano, which, btw, I’m very well aware of and have the link saved from a couple years ago.
Faith1960, you disappoint me. Look at what you are saying. First, “I wholeheartedly believe”, then “*Assuming we’ve been *taught correctly”, "Look at the ‘quote’ you use as your ‘tag line’. You are very conflicted and seem to be having a hard time with this. Do you believe or don’t you? You say one thing, then another, then act as if you’re not sure of either. Hang in there. Don’t buy into the media. They haven’t shown any credible proof of anything. They constructed that entire presentation, with the people they wanted, knowing full well Bill Donahue was a ranting overreactor and how that would play. Skip all the blitz and read authoritative material, IF that’s what you need to BELIEVE. Hopefully, you’ll be stronger than to waver under the next heretical dog and pony show. There is more going on here than meets the eye.
 
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Another problem is the outright assumption that the named Mariemne and Jesus were unrelated and thus had to be married:rolleyes: .  Again there is no spatial (time) relationship outside the century of ossuary use.  As to the lack of DNA relationship (female side only) the show completely discounts male side cousins and father,s-in-law.:ehh: 

From this I must conclude the show is just a piece of drama ment to drum up ratings by making untenable assumptions and grasping for facts.::nerd:
Tomb aside, I have to say that I really like the name Mariemne. 🙂
 
Faith1960, you disappoint me. Look at what you are saying. First, “I wholeheartedly believe”, then “*Assuming we’ve been *taught correctly”, "Look at the ‘quote’ you use as your ‘tag line’. You are very conflicted and seem to be having a hard time with this. Do you believe or don’t you? You say one thing, then another, then act as if you’re not sure of either. Hang in there. Don’t buy into the media. They haven’t shown any credible proof of anything. They constructed that entire presentation, with the people they wanted, knowing full well Bill Donahue was a ranting overreactor and how that would play. Skip all the blitz and read authoritative material, IF that’s what you need to BELIEVE. Hopefully, you’ll be stronger than to waver under the next heretical dog and pony show. There is more going on here than meets the eye.
I don’t think I wrote that entire thing.
 
I have tried to read through most of these posts but have not. Someone may have said this already- You would think it might occurr to James Cameron (if he weren’t so arrogant) that this “Lost Tomb of Jesus” was a decoy to throw off those looking for remains of Mary, Joseph James etc? This is another “discovery” like Geraldo’s “Al Capone’s Vault” All hype.
 
I have tried to read through most of these posts but have not. Someone may have said this already- You would think it might occurr to James Cameron (if he weren’t so arrogant) that this “Lost Tomb of Jesus” was a decoy to throw off those looking for remains of Mary, Joseph James etc? This is another “discovery” like Geraldo’s “Al Capone’s Vault” All hype.
It is worse than that. At least with the Capone thing they had no idea what they were going to find. In this case, this is old news, it has been thoroughly researched and the claim was debunked over and over again over the last 27 years, and they hyped it anyway.
 
I was surprised that in two hours they made a lot on conjecture but little true investigation.
  1. While acknowledging that Joseph was probably buried in Nazareth they do not establish why this family from Nazerath would be buried in Jerusalem. They DNA tested the adult couple to suggest that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were married. Did they also test to show that the Jesus in the tomb was the son of Mary and the father of Judah like they were setting it up to show?
  2. The Jews of the first century were literate people. Clearly not all of Jesus’ cousins became Christians so if he knew that Jesus was married and had a son and was buried in Jerusalem why would the first century Jew who does not believe in Jesus not raise this issue? They did not address this reasonable question at all.
  3. They clearly deny the possibility that Jesus could have risen. Even if he had not risen we may never be able t find his grave and/or body.
  4. We have faith. To be fair we do not KNOW that Jesus rose from the dead. However there is no significant credible and reliable proof that our faithis in vain.
  5. As a genealogy buff I was surprised that they would conject so much from circumstance. Just because people are buried together or have the same name does not make them related. It leads you to the possibility but a check of the various records here in the USA will show you that it is hard to know that you are dealing with the same people. For example, people name a second son after a first son that died quickly after birth two years ago. You find the baptism for the first son but never knew there were two with the name and inadvertently record the wrong dates for your ancestor who was the survivng second son.
 
I was surprised that in two hours they made a lot on conjecture but little true investigation.
  1. While acknowledging that Joseph was probably buried in Nazareth they do not establish why this family from Nazerath would be buried in Jerusalem. They DNA tested the adult couple to suggest that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were married. Did they also test to show that the Jesus in the tomb was the son of Mary and the father of Judah like they were setting it up to show?
  2. The Jews of the first century were literate people. Clearly not all of Jesus’ cousins became Christians so if he knew that Jesus was married and had a son and was buried in Jerusalem why would the first century Jew who does not believe in Jesus not raise this issue? They did not address this reasonable question at all.
  3. They clearly deny the possibility that Jesus could have risen. Even if he had not risen we may never be able t find his grave and/or body.
  4. We have faith. To be fair we do not KNOW that Jesus rose from the dead. However there is no significant credible and reliable proof that our faithis in vain.
  5. As a genealogy buff I was surprised that they would conject so much from circumstance. Just because people are buried together or have the same name does not make them related. It leads you to the possibility but a check of the various records here in the USA will show you that it is hard to know that you are dealing with the same people. For example, people name a second son after a first son that died quickly after birth two years ago. You find the baptism for the first son but never knew there were two with the name and inadvertently record the wrong dates for your ancestor who was the survivng second son.
I’m surprised that YOUR surprised by any of this. Instead of looking at the so called ‘evidence’, first question who is presenting it, and what would be the motivation for making such an totally unprovable claim, which it is, totally unprovable, outside having actual verifiable DNA samples of Christ himself from the first century. Before even looking at this claim, look at the claimants, and…no surprise. You’re looking at this presentation with a curious naiveté, a logical approach, rather than with suspicion. PT Barnum would be proud. This reeks of mermaids, bearded women, three headed sheep and other side show illusions. They know how it works,… if you can’t PROVE IT IS NOT SO, then I’ll say, IT IS SO, and make as much fame and money as I can. Fortunately this outlandish stunt has backfired on Cameron and Jacobovich, which it remains to be seen how this will affect future work.
 
It is worse than that. At least with the Capone thing they had no idea what they were going to find. In this case, this is old news, it has been thoroughly researched and the claim was debunked over and over again over the last 27 years, and they hyped it anyway.
Good point. I think Cameron should listen to a line from one of his better movies spoken by the (name removed by moderator). “Hasta la Vista…Baby!” What is next for him Jesus on the Titanic?
 
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