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paarsurrey
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Yes, humility is a good virtue; Islam/Quran/Muhammad do teach it and want to inculcate in the believers very deeply indeed.
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Jesus’ life accounts vividly described: Quran Chapter 5: Al-Ma'idah
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Yes, humility is a good virtue; Islam/Quran/Muhammad do teach it and want to inculcate in the believers very deeply indeed.
I love Jesus, Mary and John the Baptist
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ralphinal
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Thank you for joining some of the other Muslim posters on here and calling Jesus a lier.
Jesus said that he and the Father are one, if you Know Jesus you know the father, and, most importantly, he used the NAME OF GOD that Muhammed’s angel was unable to pronouce: I AM.
Yes, Jesus DID say that he was God. He also allowed himself to be worshipped and refered to as God.
Sorry, you are either uninformed, lying, or hate Jesus.
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paarsurrey
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 5: Al-Ma’idah المَائدة
[5:81] تَرَىٰ ڪَثِيرً۬ا مِّنۡهُمۡ يَتَوَلَّوۡنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ڪَفَرُواْۚ لَبِئۡسَ مَا قَدَّمَتۡ لَهُمۡ أَنفُسُہُمۡ أَن سَخِطَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيۡهِمۡ وَفِى ٱلۡعَذَابِ هُمۡ خَـٰلِدُونَ
[5:81] Thou shalt see many of them taking the disbelievers as their friends. Surely, evil is that which they themselves have sent on before for themselves; with the result that Allah is displeased with them; and in this punishment they shall abide.
[5:82] وَلَوۡ ڪَانُواْ يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلنَّبِىِّ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيۡهِ مَا ٱتَّخَذُوهُمۡ أَوۡلِيَآءَ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ڪَثِيرً۬ا مِّنۡہُمۡ فَـٰسِقُونَ
[5:82] And if they had believed in Allah and this Prophet, and in that which has been revealed to him, they would not have taken them as their friends, but many of them are disobedient.
[5:83] ۞ لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٲوَةً۬ لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلۡيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشۡرَكُواْۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقۡرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً۬ لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّا نَصَـٰرَىٰۚ ذَٲلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنۡهُمۡ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهۡبَانً۬ا وَأَنَّهُمۡ لَا يَسۡتَڪۡبِرُونَ
[5:83] Thou shalt certainly find the Jews and those who associate partners with God to be the most vehement of men in enmity against the believers. And thou shalt assuredly find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ to be the nearest of them in love to the believers. That is because amongst them are savants and monks and because they are not proud.
[5:84] وَإِذَا سَمِعُواْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَى ٱلرَّسُولِ تَرَىٰٓ أَعۡيُنَهُمۡ تَفِيضُ مِنَ ٱلدَّمۡعِ مِمَّا عَرَفُواْ مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّۖ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَآ ءَامَنَّا فَٱكۡتُبۡنَا مَعَ ٱلشَّـٰهِدِينَ
[5:84] And when they hear what has been revealed to this Messenger, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears, because of the truth which they have recognized. They say, ‘Our Lord, we believe, so write us down among those who bear witness.
[5:85] وَمَا لَنَا لَا نُؤۡمِنُ بِٱللَّهِ وَمَا جَآءَنَا مِنَ ٱلۡحَقِّ وَنَطۡمَعُ أَن يُدۡخِلَنَا رَبُّنَا مَعَ ٱلۡقَوۡمِ ٱلصَّـٰلِحِينَ
[5:85] ‘And why should we not believe in Allah and in the truth which has come to us, while we earnestly wish that our Lord should include us among the righteous people?’
[5:86] فَاَثَابَهُمُ ٱللَّهُ بِمَا قَالُواْ جَنَّـٰتٍ۬ تَجۡرِى مِن تَحۡتِهَا ٱلۡأَنۡهَـٰرُ خَـٰلِدِينَ فِيہَاۚ وَذَٲلِكَ جَزَآءُ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ
[5:86] So Allah rewarded them, for what they said, with Gardens beneath which streams flow. Therein shall they abide; and that is the reward of those who do good.
[5:87] وَالَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا وَكَذَّبُوْا بِاٰيٰتِنَاۤ اُولٰٓٮِٕكَ اَصْحٰبُ الْجَحِيْمِ
[5:87] And those who have disbelieved and rejected Our Signs, these are they who are the inmates of Hell.
[5:88] يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تُحَرِّمُواْ طَيِّبَـٰتِ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمۡ وَلَا تَعۡتَدُوٓاْۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُعۡتَدِينَ
[5:88] O ye who believe! make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
[5:89] وَكُلُواْ مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمُ ٱللَّهُ حَلَـٰلاً۬ طَيِّبً۬اۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنتُم بِهِۦ مُؤۡمِنُونَ
[5:89] And eat of that which Allah has provided for you of what is lawful and good. And fear Allah in Whom you believe.
[5:90] لَا يُؤَاخِذُكُمُ ٱللَّهُ بِٱللَّغۡوِ فِىٓ أَيۡمَـٰنِكُمۡ وَلَـٰكِن يُؤَاخِذُڪُم بِمَا عَقَّدتُّمُ ٱلۡأَيۡمَـٰنَۖ فَكَفَّـٰرَتُهُ ۥۤ إِطۡعَامُ عَشَرَةِ مَسَـٰكِينَ مِنۡ أَوۡسَطِ مَا تُطۡعِمُونَ أَهۡلِيكُمۡ أَوۡ كِسۡوَتُهُمۡ أَوۡ تَحۡرِيرُ رَقَبَةٍ۬ۖ فَمَن لَّمۡ يَجِدۡ فَصِيَامُ ثَلَـٰثَةِ أَيَّامٍ۬ۚ ذَٲلِكَ كَفَّـٰرَةُ أَيۡمَـٰنِكُمۡ إِذَا حَلَفۡتُمۡۚ وَٱحۡفَظُوٓاْ أَيۡمَـٰنَكُمۡۚ كَذَٲلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ ٱللَّهُ لَكُمۡ ءَايَـٰتِهِۦ لَعَلَّكُمۡ تَشۡكُرُونَ
[5:90] Allah will not call you to account for such of your oaths as are vain, but He will call you to account for the oaths which you take in earnest. The expiation for this is the feeding of ten poor persons with such average food as you feed your families with, or the clothing of them or the freeing of a neck. But whoso finds not the means shall fast for three days. That is the expiation of your oaths when you have sworn them. And do keep your oaths. Thus does Allah explain to you His Signs that you may be grateful.
alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=5&verse=80
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planten
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That is not correct. Only the enemies are enemies. They may be Jews or Christians or Hindus or Muslims. Quran never said that Jews and Christians were the enemies. The word for enemies is Kaafir. Quran does not call the Jews and the Christians as Kaafir. It calls them by the title “the people of the book”.
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planten
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agangbern, You believe a leper, the story of a leper? What the worship by a leper has to do with the divinity of Jesus?
** Far from that. If Jesus did not reprimand that leper, it does not give you any chance to seek divinity for Jesus. You should reprimand the leper for doing something wrong. There is none worthy of worship except The God. Even Jesus used to worship That God. Jesus used to pray to That God. The Catholics have slipped up some where.**
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planten
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** Ralph, Please show where did any Muslim call Jesus a liar? It is the habit of the Catholics to abuse Muhammad and call him a liar. Muslims never called Jesus a Liar. Muslima is right in respecting / honoring Jesus.
It is another thing that you people have ascribed high status of Godhead to Jesus. Muslims deny that. So, the end result is that either Jesus is a Liar or you are a Liar. Jesus is not God. So please yourself about making Jesus a Liar or admitting yourself as Liars.
Ralph, I had asked you to give some proof of the truth of Jesus from the bibleOt. But you disappeared, declined.
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Yes, Jesus was right. But you are taking wrong meaning of those good words. You are taking literal meanings. That is your mistake.
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** Where did Jesus say that he was God? How many times did he say that? In what year did he say that? Did he say that in clear words or you are misinterpretting the words of Jesus? We do not believe that.
I am sure that Jesus was a Jew, a perfect Jew, A Rabbi. He never uttered a single word against the Jewish teachings all his life. You people have made up things and ascribed the bad un-ethical beliefs to Jesus.
Did Jesus not address The God as Lord? Please reply**.
** Wrong again. We are well informed. Catholics are the odd people out of line. We all Love Jesus and his mother Mary, more than the Catholics. The Catholics are only using the name of Jesus in a bad, sinful manner**.
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paarsurrey
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I think brother planten has put the things with clarity. Now, it is the turn of friend ralphinal to put the things in a straightforward manner.
Over to friend ralphinal.
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Benedict108
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Old Testament Attributing Jesus as the Messiah
- The Messiah would be born a child, but would be “mighty God” (Is 9:6-7)
- He would be born of a virgin (Is 7:14)
- He would be born in Bethlehem (Mic 5:2)
- He would be born of the line of King David (Jer 23:5)
- He would heal the blind, lame, and deaf (Is 35:5-6)
- He would be betrayed by a friend (Ps 55:12-14)
- His flock would abandon Him (Zech 13:7)
- He would be “pierced” by nails and a by a sword (Ps 22:16, Zech 12:10)
- He would be a “just man” tortured and killed by His enemies (Ps 22:18)
- His enemies tore His garments and gambled for them (Ps. 22:18)
- He would rise from the dead (Ps 16:10, 30:3)
- He would bring all the nations the light of the true God (Is 60:3)
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Reuben_J
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That’s interesting. May I ask why you should not believe a leper?
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Benjamin8o8
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But where? When and how did they slip up?can you offer any historical evidence?
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Benjamin8o8
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Jesus said I AM…Muslims say He is not I AM. Therefore, this makes muslim flat out liars.
says who? Mohammed, who came 600 hundred years after Christ
you acting like we took this meaning literal after the Bible has been compiled together. Do some history, and know Catholics worshiped Jesus since the 1st century.** Where did Jesus say that he was God? How many times did he say that? In what year did he say that? Did he say that in clear words or you are misinterpretting the words of Jesus? We do not believe that.].**
Are you aware you`re looking for historical proof?
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Proof?
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Yes He did, because Jeses humbled Himself to become man, and took human nature.
JOHN 3:16
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why,because Mohammed told you its sinful? Why not think for yourself?
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ralphinal
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I gave you a link that included 50+ prophacies, and you ignored it. There is no reason to try to show you any more. Do you not understand that Jesus fulfilled at least 300 OT prophacies?
And, as far as calling Jesus a LIER, which Muslims love to do, I will give you one of the best. Jesus said that he would be Crucified, die and rise again, and then he said that he was crucified, did die, and did rise again. Now, refute that without calling him a lier. Did God trick Jesus, too?
I am taking the meaning that was intended. The Jews tried to stone him for saying it. HIs followers understood him to be saying it. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it cannot be a cat.
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agangbern
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So, I hope you now understand why it would be wrong to say, “I AM GOD.” That is what most muslim posters here are wanting to see as proof that Jesus is God. To declare saying, “I AM GOD”, would violate the principle of humility that Jesus came to teach.
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agangbern
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It was not a story of the leper. It was part of the story of the life of Jesus. He cured the leper who worshipped him. And even you yourself would admit that God alone is to be worshipped. Jesus did not rebuke the leper who worshipped him. On the contrary, Jesus cured him, thereby demonstrating approval to what the leper did.
Jesus was in front of the leper. He did not rebuke the leper. Now you want us, Christians, who are not in front of the leper, to reprimand the leper! You think you are greater than Jesus! My gosh, panten! Your hairs should start standing now…
Christians are not the ones seeking for divinity for Jesus. Christians simply recognize the unquestionable fact that Jesus is worthy to be worshipped. And for being worthy as such, we therefore admit the undeniable fact that Jesus is God.
Jesus is both true man and true God. The fact that Jesus worshipped God does not erase the existing truth that He himself is God. For Jesus took the form of man, and a “slave” for that matter, in order to show man how it is to live according to the will of God. As man, He showed men the example of a prayerful life.
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Reuben_J
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I have the impression that he thought we should not believe the leper because of what he (leper) is. This is in stark contrast with the action of Jesus who would call the least, the marginalized, the oppressed and the sinful. Perhaps he thinks faith cannot be found in them but in the healthy, the powerful and the educated.
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paarsurrey
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Hi friend agangbern
Humility is a virtue for a human; and a demerit for a god.
I love Jesus the man; born of a woman very naturally and normally.
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Jay53
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What?! Who are we to tell God what He can and cannot be?
And who gives Him the demerit?
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chrisse
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So you acknowledge pagan gods? For surely you would not deem yourself worthy to judge YHWH nor your Allah?
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WarriorAngel
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He humbled Himself because of the magnitude of love He has for humanity.
Unbelievable you do not think God is powerful enough to humble Himself.
The thing is - satan also believed God wouldnt do that - hence he helped to crucify Him…which allowed God to do the Ultimate Act of love - by humbling Himself and dying for our sins so we could again be allowed into Heaven with Him - the beauty is - He did this under the nose of satan and BY the power of satan.
God is beyond brilliant… and beyond how we comprehend love.
Unbelievable you do not think God is powerful enough to humble Himself.
The thing is - satan also believed God wouldnt do that - hence he helped to crucify Him…which allowed God to do the Ultimate Act of love - by humbling Himself and dying for our sins so we could again be allowed into Heaven with Him - the beauty is - He did this under the nose of satan and BY the power of satan.
God is beyond brilliant… and beyond how we comprehend love.
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Reuben_J
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That’s the point I think. If God can’t be humble but yet want humans to be, the best way to teach it would be to become human and showed the examples of how to be one.
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