Jesus' appearences / today's Gospel John 21:1-19

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Hello, folks.

Reading through the Jesus appearences to the apostles after they have found the empty tomb and the transfiguration, I have realized the disciples never actually recognized Jesus. Instead, scripture makes one understand the person the disciples saw had a completely different body than Jesus’ body, which brings me the doubt: couldn’t the apostles and the other more than 500 eyewitnesses have seen a completely different person, and believed this person (faking being Jesus for whatever reason it was) was Jesus? Why? Why not?
 
minichibi said:
Hello, folks.

Reading through the Jesus appearences to the apostles after they have found the empty tomb and the transfiguration, I have realized the disciples never actually recognized Jesus. Instead, scripture makes one understand the person the disciples saw had a completely different body than Jesus’ body, which brings me the doubt: couldn’t the apostles and the other more than 500 eyewitnesses have seen a completely different person, and believed this person (faking being Jesus for whatever reason it was) was Jesus? Why? Why not?
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Of the four Gospel accounts, only Luke and John mention anyone having difficulty recognizing Jesus after he had risen from the dead.

But in any case, when they didn’t recognize him its because he probably looked different in his glorified body, and they weren’t expecting a dead man to come to life again, especially as God.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Of the four Gospel accounts, only Luke and John mention anyone having difficulty recognizing Jesus after he had risen from the dead.

But in any case, when they didn’t recognize him its because he probably looked different in his glorified body, and they weren’t expecting a dead man to come to life again, especially as God.
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+1. Change of body, first off.

Also, the one hideous lesson of maturation is that human death is final. Even if He had looked exactly the same, everybody would have been in a state of mental block against recognizing Him. After all, He was dead!

ICXC NIKA
 
Lk. 24:16 says, “their eyes were held, that they should not know him,” and later on in v. 31, “And their eyes were opened, and they knew him.”

St. Theophylact comments: “in order truly that they may reveal their entirely doubtful conceptions, and uncovering their wound may receive a cure.” (qtd. in Catena Aurea)

St. Gregory: “as they talked of Him He exhibited His presence, but as they doubted of Him He concealed the appearance which they knew.” (Ibid)
 
minichibi said:
Hello, folks.

Reading through the Jesus appearences to the apostles after they have found the empty tomb and the transfiguration, I have realized the disciples never actually recognized Jesus. Instead, scripture makes one understand the person the disciples saw had a completely different body than Jesus’ body, which brings me the doubt: couldn’t the apostles and the other more than 500 eyewitnesses have seen a completely different person, and believed this person (faking being Jesus for whatever reason it was) was Jesus? Why? Why not?
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He did invite Thomas to put his hands into his wounds, and Thomas did.

Thankfully, the glorified body is going to be better than the one we have right now.
 
Read that they did not know him, or did not recognize him in the spiritual sense, not in the literal sense…allegorically, 2000 years later, his later day disciples (us) often do not “recognize” or “know” him spiritually either, and from the anagogical perspective, the readings remind us we must “know” the ways of Jesus to have any hope of the beatific vision.

PEACE AND ALL GOOD!
 
Lily_Bernans said:
He did invite Thomas to put his hands into his wounds, and Thomas did.
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He did?!? Are you sure? 😉

(It’s funny the way our brains work: we see a visual depiction (e.g., Caravaggio’s “Incredulity of St Thomas” or his “Conversion of St Paul”) and that becomes our remembrance of what Scripture says: Thomas did root around in Jesus’ wounds; Paul was riding a horse. And yet, Scripture says neither of these things… 🤷)
 
minichibi said:
Hello, folks.

Reading through the Jesus appearences to the apostles after they have found the empty tomb and the transfiguration, I have realized the disciples never actually recognized Jesus. Instead, scripture makes one understand the person the disciples saw had a completely different body than Jesus’ body, which brings me the doubt: couldn’t the apostles and the other more than 500 eyewitnesses have seen a completely different person, and believed this person (faking being Jesus for whatever reason it was) was Jesus? Why? Why not?
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The paper, “The Post Resurrection Appearance” [Melita Theologia, Number 1, 1998] discusses the appearances and claims there were a total of seven. In the first four appearances Jesus is not immediately recognized while in the last three he is. From a Jewish theological perspective, ten men need to be present for ‘God’ to be present.
 
dje14338 said:
The paper, “The Post Resurrection Appearance” [Melita Theologia, Number 1, 1998] discusses the appearances and claims there were a total of seven. In the first four appearances Jesus is not immediately recognized while in the last three he is. From a Jewish theological perspective, ten men need to be present for ‘God’ to be present.
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So why did the Jews write in the Bible He is God?
 
dje14338 said:
The paper, “The Post Resurrection Appearance” [Melita Theologia, Number 1, 1998] discusses the appearances and claims there were a total of seven. In the first four appearances Jesus is not immediately recognized while in the last three he is. From a Jewish theological perspective, ten men need to be present for ‘God’ to be present.
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What about Moses?
 
Argument is futile. Go before our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and tell Him of your doubts. Be 100% honest, and exercise 100% of your patience. When He speaks to you Spirit to spirit, you will be changed.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
you said 10 witnesses.
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Moses did not see God. He saw a burning bush. However, God can appear to anyone if he [God] wants to. My point was that 10 men had to be present to guarantee the presence of God. Even the High Priest needed 9 other men present during a religious ceremony [with the exception of entering the area where the Ark of the Covenant was].
 
dje14338 said:
Moses did not see God. He saw a burning bush. However, God can appear to anyone if he [God] wants to. My point was that 10 men had to be present to guarantee the presence of God. Even the High Priest needed 9 other men present during a religious ceremony [with the exception of entering the area where the Ark of the Covenant was].
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Wrong. Moses did see God face to face many times without 10 men.

Exodus 33:7-17New International Version (NIV)

The Tent of Meeting

7 Now Moses used to take a tent and pitch it outside the camp some distance away, calling it the “tent of meeting.” Anyone inquiring of the Lord would go to the tent of meeting outside the camp. 8 And whenever Moses went out to the tent, all the people rose and stood at the entrances to their tents, watching Moses until he entered the tent. 9 As Moses went into the tent, the pillar of cloud would come down and stay at the entrance, while the Lord spoke with Moses. 10 Whenever the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance to the tent, they all stood and worshiped, each at the entrance to their tent. 11 The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.

So what is your point again and what does it have to do with this thread?
 
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