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For prisoners, baptism is ransom, forgiveness of debts, the death of sin, regeneration of the soul, a resplendent garment, an unbreakable seal, a chariot to heaven, a royal protector, a gift of adoption.
St Basil the Great (375 AD),Sermons on Moral and Practical Subjects 13:5).
 
From baptism we receive the Spirit of Christ. At that same moment in which the priests invoke the Spirit, heaven opens, and he descends and rests upon the waters, and those who are baptized are clothed in him. The Spirit is absent from all those who are born of the flesh, until they come to the water of rebirth, and then they receive the Holy Spirit. . . . In the second birth, that through baptism, they receive the Holy Spirit.
Aphraahat the Persian Sage (340 AD), Treatises 6:14:4
 
It general, it is not for the Protestant. I’m not so sure about Lutherans or Anglicans. Water baptism is not tied with regeneration or the new birth.
I know of many Protestant denominations that do believe the Bible when it says that baptism is regenerative. It’s not the water itself that saves, but God working through the water to wash away our sins and give us the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was baptized, what happened?

Why then would Ananias tell Paul to “be baptized and wash away your sins” and St Peter tell us to “be baptized … for the remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit” and that “baptism…now saves you” if it isn’t so?
 
I know of many Protestant denominations that do believe the Bible when it says that baptism is regenerative. It’s not the water itself that saves, but God working through the water to wash away our sins and give us the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was baptized, what happened?

Why then would Ananias tell Paul to “be baptized and wash away your sins” and St Peter tell us to “be baptized … for the remission of sins and receive the Holy Spirit” and that “baptism…now saves you” if it isn’t so?
Do you mind sharing the different Protestant denominations who believe in baptismal regeneration? Restorationalist like Mormons and Church of Christ are not Protestants according to their own statement of faith.

We can discuss on the different account of the conversion of Paul if you like. Paul is God’s instrument to expound the gospel to His church.
 
No, I would say that I embraced Refomed theology. Both the Westminster Confession of Faith and the London Baptist Confesison of Fatih are reformed confessionals. Here is a site that explains my personal beliefs.
So these “Alliance evangelicals” are a new denomination?:hmmm:
 
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So these “Alliance evangelicals” are a new denomination?:hmmm:

Who We Are

The Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals is a broad coalition of evangelical Christians from various denominations, including Baptist, Congregational (Independent), Anglican (Episcopal), Presbyterian, Reformed, and Lutheran. The purpose of the Alliance’s existence is to call the Church, amidst a dying culture, to repent of its worldliness, to recover and confess the truth of God’s Word as did the reformers, and to see that truth embodied in doctrine, worship, and life.

The organization’s formal name is the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals. In regard to its name, Dr. Ligon Duncan, President, says the following:

What do we mean by the name the “Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals”?

First, we are “evangelicals,” because of the priority we place on the biblical evangel (or “good news”), and because “evangelical” was the first nickname used by the Protestant reformers of the sixteenth century to describe their commitments to recovering the gospel in the Church and proclaiming it to the world.

Second, we are “confessing” because we warmly embrace the rich biblical teaching articulated in both great ecumenical creeds of the Church, and reformed confessions and catechisms. Further, we believe the Church must not only assent to her confessions but confess the gospel afresh in protest against the spirit of this age. Like the Lutheran and Reformed evangelicals who formed the Confessing Movement against the Nazi party in the 1920s and ‘30s, we recognize that we must be in a “state of confession”— especially because accommodation to the spirit of the age has sapped the Church of her strength and caused her to divide her loyalties between the lordship of Christ and the lordship of this age’s “principalities and powers.”

Third, we are an “alliance” because we have banded together to further this, our common cause.
To elaborate, consider the three constituent parts of the organization’s name.

We Are an Alliance.
Since 1994, the Alliance has been an association of evangelical pastors, teachers, leaders, and Christians committed to the great evangelical consensus arising from the protestant reformation, working together for the recovery of the biblical, apostolic witness of the Church. It fosters a collaborative movement of reformed evangelical Christians, to promote robust, biblical, historic, confessional Christianity through media, events, publications, networking, and more. It has encouraged the Church to evaluate its message and methods, according to Scripture. It has warned the Church against false doctrine. It has advocated for sound doctrine, warm piety, catechetical instruction, biblical worship, faithful cultural engagement, and scriptural methods of evangelism and church growth.

We Are a Confessing Alliance.
In the “Cambridge Declaration,” the Alliance declares its theological commitments, confesses its faith and calls the Church back to the biblical principles of doctrine. While the Alliance strongly emphasizes the Scripture alone as the only final rule of faith and practice, it recognizes the importance of creeds and confessions as testimonies to biblical truth. The Alliance believes that it is not only appropriate but imperative for the Church to publicly declare its understanding and embrace of biblical truth, both for the edification and protection of the Church. The Alliance, thus, does not achieve alliance by reducing our beliefs to the bare minimum (reductionism), but by making a full confession of our common evangelical and reformational faith (catholic-spirited confessionalism).

We Are an Evangelical Alliance.
The name “evangelical” is a time-honored designation. It was the earliest self-designation used by the Protestant reformers of the sixteenth-century church and its doctrine. In fact, the term was in common use before the term “protestant” became popular. Another term the reformers used to describe their theology and worship was “reformed.” They often spoke of recovering the original, divinely appointed doctrine, order, and life of the church—of being a church “reformed,” “corrected,” or “cleansed.” The Alliance takes up the name “evangelical” drawing on this rich tradition. The evangelical church and movement has been at its healthiest in history in days when it is characterized by the leadership of strong, sound, godly, reformation-rooted pastor-theologians. In more current usage, “evangelical” has come to signify a passion for the gospel witness of the Church. The Alliance finds this to be the natural and necessary response to the good news we have received and thus aims for a vigorous commitment to evangelizing by means of the evangel itself — the good news of salvation through the death and resurrection of Jesus
 
Who We Are
“The Alliance’s history stretches back a half century. The Alliance began as Evangelical Ministries in 1949…”

With all due respect, you are a denomination which has existed for about 60 years and is comprised of protestants who have come from other reformed traditions.
 
Getting back to the Gospel of St John 3:5

In this present life, we may be born three times. First, when we are delivered from our mother’s womb; thus coming from earth we again go to earth. The other two births cause us to ascend from earth to heaven. The one, wrought by divine grace, comes to us through Holy Baptism, which is true rebirth and regeneration. The third birth, wherein we now find ourselves, takes place through repentance, which is achieved by means of tears and good struggles. A fierce struggle have they that come to God in the monastic Schema, for at its very commencement, they will struggle in many labors; yet, they will also receive inexpressible joy.
St. Syncletike of Alexandria, “The Lives of the Spiritual Mothers: An Orthodox Materikon of Women Monastics and Ascetics,” (Buena Vista, Colorado: Holy Apostles Convent, 1991), p. 597
 
Do you mind sharing the different Protestant denominations who believe in baptismal regeneration? Restorationalist like Mormons and Church of Christ are not Protestants according to their own statement of faith.
Mormons are not even Christians according to their own statement of faith, in comparison to Orthodox Christianity. Church of Christ is a Protestant sect whether they admit it or not, in fact they may be considered double Protestants since they protested the Protestants and started their own movement. They and their splinter groups, the Christian Church and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) all believe in baptismal regeneration as do Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, and Pentecostals.
We can discuss on the different account of the conversion of Paul if you like. Paul is God’s instrument to expound the gospel to His church.
Not only in his conversion accounts, but in Paul’s epistles he preaches baptismal regeneration. Are you sure you wanna go there? 😉
 
Mormons are not even Christians according to their own statement of faith, in comparison to Orthodox Christianity. Church of Christ is a Protestant sect whether they admit it or not, in fact they may be considered double Protestants since they protested the Protestants and started their own movement. They and their splinter groups, the Christian Church and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) all believe in baptismal regeneration as do Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, and Pentecostals.

Not only in his conversion accounts, but in Paul’s epistles he preaches baptismal regeneration. Are you sure you wanna go there? 😉
I think if you go to lds.org, you will see that Mormons are professing Christians. The Church of Christ are not professing Protestants. We can look to the 39 Articles of Faith to show that the Anglicans who are not Protestants and see that they believe in justification by imputation; therefore they probably reject baptismal regeneration. The Lutherans do not believe in baptismal regeneration without the gospel. I doubt if the Methodist and Pentecostals believe in baptismal regeneration but I will check.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptismal_regeneration

Please start with the link above.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_sacraments

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism

I think you need to make a theologcial disntinction between infant baptism and infant baptismal regeneration. They are not the same. Reformed Christians will baptize their infants (exception would be Reformed Baptist).
 
I think if you go to lds.org, you will see that Mormons are professing Christians. The Church of Christ are not professing Protestants. We can look to the 39 Articles of Faith to show that the Anglicans who are not Protestants and see that they believe in justification by imputation; therefore they probably reject baptismal regeneration. The Lutherans do not believe in baptismal regeneration without the gospel. I doubt if the Methodist and Pentecostals believe in baptismal regeneration but I will check.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptismal_regeneration

Please start with the link above.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_sacraments

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism

I think you need to make a theologcial disntinction between infant baptism and infant baptismal regeneration. They are not the same. Reformed Christians will baptize their infants (exception would be Reformed Baptist).
The United Methodist position:
umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1697379/k.9027/Baptism_Overview.htm

I’m not a Methodist, but it seems to me they’re talking about baptismal regeneration. Any Methodists want to chime in?

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And, if you’re interested, here are the words of various Protestants on baptismal regeneration:

catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9702word.asp

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Very interestint read, and thank you. I’m not sure if it that this is baptismal regeneration. Actually, if is very Reformed in the sense of infants being baptized into the visble church. I will look to John Wesley to his position on baptism.

Here’s John Wesley influenced by Anglican:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley
 
I think if you go to lds.org, you will see that Mormons are professing Christians.
But the Christ they preach is not the same Christ of Christianity. Their Christ is the brother of Satan.
The Church of Christ are not professing Protestants.
Well they came along about 1800+ years too late to be the Church Christ founded. They are founded by men who used their own interpretation of Scripture to form a new sect of Protestantism, when a true “restoration” would have made them Catholic.
We can look to the 39 Articles of Faith to show that the Anglicans who are not Protestants and see that they believe in justification by imputation; therefore they probably reject baptismal regeneration.
The Anglican Church formed when Henry VIII declared himself Head of the Church of England and broke away from the Catholic Church. That makes them Protestant, though I’ll admit some of them act very Catholic! 😃
The Lutherans do not believe in baptismal regeneration without the gospel.
The Lutherans I know do. They say it smacks of irresponsibility when someone doesn’t have their infant baptised to wash away Original Sin.
I doubt if the Methodist and Pentecostals believe in baptismal regeneration but I will check.
It probably depends on which Methodists you ask. Some do, some don’t. To clarify, I’m not sure that Pentecostals believe baptism is regenerative, but they DO believe that water baptism is the only way to receive the Holy Spirit and subsequently speak in tongues.
Please start with the link above.
I think you need to make a theologcial disntinction between infant baptism and infant baptismal regeneration. They are not the same. Reformed Christians will baptize their infants (exception would be Reformed Baptist).
Sorry, but I find wikipedia to not be a reliable source - anyone can post anything on there, you know.

I understand the Reformed position, that infants are baptized to bring them into the New Covenant but it doesn’t necessarily do anything else for them, spiritually speaking. It’s more of a dedication, correct?

If only you knew the hours I’ve spent researching various Protestant denominations over the last 10 years… I have a decent working knowledge of just about all of them, Baptists being my specialty since I was one for so long. There’s just so many of them it’s hard to get all the little quirks and pet doctrines nailed down! :cool:
 
Being baptized, we are illuminated; illuminated, we become sons; being made sons, we are made perfect; being made perfect, we are made immortal… This work is variously called grace, and illumination, and perfection, and washing. Washing, by which we cleanse away our sins; grace, by which the penalties accruing to transgressions are remitted; and illumination, by which that holy light of salvation is beheld, that is, by which we see God clearly."
Clement of Alexandria (150-200 AD)
 
Did you see how baptism is a cross? Learn that even Christ called baptism the cross when He used the name of baptism interchangeably [with that of the cross]. He called your baptism a cross. ‘I call my baptism a cross,’ he says. Where does He say this? ‘I have a baptism to be baptized with, of which you do not know.’ And how is it clear that He is speaking of the cross? The sons of Zebedee came up to Him - rather, the mother of the sons of Zebedee, saying ‘Command that these my two sons may sit, one at thy right and and one at thy left hand, in thy kingdom.’ A mother’s request, even if it was an inconsiderate one! How then did Christ answer? ‘Can you drink of the cup of which I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?’ You see that He called the cross a baptism.
St. John
Chrysostom, Baptismal Instructions
 
Faith and baptism are two kindred and inseparable ways of salvation: faith is perfected through baptism, baptism is established through faith, and both are completed by the same names. For as we believe in the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, so are we also baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost; first comes the confession, introducing us to salvation, and baptism follows, setting the seal upon our assent.
367 AD St. Basil the Great, The Holy Spirit 12[28]).
 
If the only meaning of baptism were remission of sins, why would we baptize newborn children who have yet tasted of sins? But the mystery of baptism is not limited to this, it is a promise of future delights; it is the type of future resurrection, a communion with the Master’s passion, a participation in His resurrection, mantle of salvation, a tunic of gladness, a garment of light, or rather it is light itself.
Theodoret of Cyrus
 
How did we turn a Bible Study on the gospel of John chapters 1, 2, and 3 into a discussion on baptismal regeneration? Have we discussed the conversation with Jesus and good old Nick yet?
 
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