Jesus missing for three days - finding in the temple

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Obviously, great minds think alike. Perhaps this will inspire those who are in, ummm…disputation shall we say, a moment to stop the ‘did not, did too’, blah blah blah, yak yak yak so as to realize that nothing God ever did, is doing or ever will do has but a single aspect or meaning.
 
Bluebright said:
I see no problem with the person of God keeping
things from the person of Jesus during him being human
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This is part of the Nestorian heresy (denial of the hypostatic union).
Bluebright said:
Have you not read his reply when Mary asks why he has done this? Luke 2; 49 . Why were you searching for me?
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I walk into the kitchen and find my husband doing the dishes and I say “why are you doing the dishes”?

This does not mean that I am somehow ignorant of why dishes need to be done, it is a figure of speech.
 
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oh, ok. I’m too tired to take that all in but I will do when i’m able
 
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These are two questions.

The first one had a possible mute reply which is because they wanted to talk and laud the abilities of Jesus with his relatives and friends.
The second one is so much complex that even Jesus’ parents could not understand.
 
I think you may be assuming too much in your reading of this passage. The passage does not say that Jesus was disobedient, just that his parents didn’t know where he was and that they were distraught when they realized he was not there. Looking at the passage there are lots of reasons that this could have occurred that do not imply that Jesus was disobedient to his parents. In fact, if you read the passage it says that his parents supposed him to be in their group, meaning there may have been a miscommunication that occurred. I would be careful when making assumptions that the text does not support.
 
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Jesus obeyed God in all things, so we know He didn’t come up with his own idea to do this. God had His reasons for directing Jesus this way, and Jesus obeyed. So God’s will couldn’t have included letting His parents know, or Jesus certainly would have. That must have been an act of trust for Jesus, too. He certainly would have preferred to tell them, to sure they would not worry, if he went with His own preference. But He had to entrust their worry to God. He had to trust (hope?) that they knew He was doing God’s will. God’s will can sometimes be very painful to carry out.

Three days - foreshadows Christ in the tomb for 3 days.

Mary, who obeyed God in all things also, would also have been obeying God by not telling Joseph why she was pregnant. That left Joseph, after he noticed, in anguish for, I hear, 3 days, before the Angel of God relieved him with a vision. What anguish Mary must have felt, obeying God in silence while she knew Joseph suffered!
 
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May I assume you also believe God didn’t know where Adam and eve were. Yes we don’t interpret that as God being ignorant.
 
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Unlikely. Tradition holds that the Simeon who witnessed the Presentation died that very afternoon, whereas Simeon ben Hillel is reported to have lived about another 20 years after the Presentation. That said, the Finding in the Temple did occur about the time Hillel the Elder is reported to have died at the age of 120. It is a distinct possibility that speaking with Jesus was the last thing Hillel did before he died.
 
I would not reply to this but it is very cruel. I dont know what you are talking about? Ofcourse he knew, he knows all things. Clearly my earlier comment was misunderstood please refrain from nasty comment. I do not deny the
hypostatic union either. It was perhaps something I phased badly to try to explain my opinion on why one member of the Tribune God did something, I was only trying to say Jesus says later in the Bible (Matt 24.36) that the Father knows something he does not know ( and in other places I cant recall) so why not here, that’s all. I am not going to defend myself any further from unkind comments, though I am sorry if I caused any offence. There is no need for that or sarcasm whatever
this may be. Thank you. If you dont like what I say ignore it or correct me dont be unkind.
 
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I think Jesus was preparing Mary for the Pascal mystery. Her son would be buried in a tomb but rise on the third day. Mary pondered all mysteries, actions and words of Jesus in her heart. Saint Joseph, Mary’s chase companion, suffered his own mystery of the cross when he could not find Jesus. Just my own opinion…
 
mythbuster1 said:
Why would a 12-year-old John the Baptist be in the desert?
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Why wouldn’t he be? He obviously developed the habit of spending time in the desert and probably started at a young age. As noted above in the thread, 12-year-olds were verging on adult, so it would have been like a 17-year-old going off on a hike or a vision quest or whatever.
 
Because it was not yet time for his ministry, and as the son of a priest, he’d be expected to be training for the priesthood.
 
I suspect the “priesthood” boat never even began to sail for John the Baptist.

As for “not yet time for his ministry”, he likely started developing the skills to survive in the desert at a young age . He didn’t just wake up one day when he was like 30 years old and head into the desert for the first time. These guys lived in the desert - their towns are surrounded by desert. It was probably normal for them to go spend time there.
 
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I think that passage was recorded for the faithful to contemplate through the centuries. It gives us confidence, when we have been separated from Christ through sin, to go to Mary who was separated from Jesus as well, and experienced anguish. May she intercede for us that we too might seek him with all our heart and with anguish until united once more.
 
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Because it was not yet time for his ministry, and as the son of a priest, he’d be expected to be training for the priesthood.
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It’s possible he just went out to the desert anyway, just as Jesus stayed behind at the temple. Anyhow, the story is found in the Mystical City of God.

Modern exegetes love to say this couldn’t happen or that must’ve happened because that was how things were done. However, how much of modern life would be accurate if it was assumed everyone did everything according to usual custom? The most extraordinary people do not necessarily follow convention either today, or in the past.
 
What do you mean by “this is part of the Nestorian heresy”.

If the hypostatic union is a MYSTERY how does a belief that Jesus not knowing something is heresy?
 
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There may be more to his obedience to his parents than we understand. Especially, taking into account their expected obedience to God (God’s rights over them).

I believe this trial was a foreshadowing of the death resurrection as well a trial before the big trial that the death/resurrection was to be. Remember, Mary never left her son during the passion (when it was not popular to acknowledge Jesus); the apostles, except for one, did.
 
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