Jesus' status in Islam and Judaism

[inJESUS]

But men are not transcendent. Men need laws.

Can you imagine a society without laws?

there are laws in the OT you do NOT follow. Why?

 

[morning_star777]

I get it. You don’t understand the Qur’an and you can’t do math. There is a whole course at the university level on inheritance law, and you think that you can learn it off of a forum. Please, if you want to learn, go find someone to teach you.

many thanks for ur advice.but i guess ur muhammed was expert in math.and except madrasa no universities in bangladesh teach it.&madrasa taught in its own way

 

[Ed_Rand]

Frankly, it’s easy to believe in a prophet. That is much easier to believe in than a God who walks on earth, who must eat and go to the bathroom like an ordinary human, and yet have to believe he is god? But there is proof that Muhammad is a prophet, and you can read it–it’s the Qur’an.

Don’t Muslims believe that Jesus will somehow testify for or against us on the last day? It would make sense that He would become flesh then live the perfect exemplary life despite the most brutal circumstances in order to spread His pure revelations. We believe that Jesus suffered, God suffered!–something he had never done before. I believe He was putting himself in our shoes, so to speak. And when he left they were infinitely bigger.

 

[inJESUS]

It’s called a contradiction.

really? how, an eager to know

God promises only Jews to send them the Messiah all the while telling them He will join gentiles.

to who is God sending the Messiah? to those awaiting Him. Who are they? the Jews. Did God promise the gentiles? no since the Torah is held by Jews. To who is God then sending the Messiah? only to those awaiting Him… Is it all? no, the Messiah will join the rest.

Looking forward for your answer.

 

[morning_star777]

sister amy i told you before,you can see this thread where we and planten were arguing.so if you want then see.maybe my time is not so precious like yours but my time isn’t so cheap that i will repeat any post thousand times.if you have little brain then read sura4:11,12 again&try to guess.neither don’t do.but ur quran clearly says that daughter(if up to 2 daughter)will get2/3,parents will get1/3 together and wife will get1/8.

 

[Angelos]

That’s cute. And lame.

Seriously, visit the link: hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2007/07/three-lines-that-changed-world.html

Yours is missing the Arabic flow and rhyme (since it’s not in Arabic), rhetorical devices, rhyth, emphasis, etc. Seriously, take a look at that website… you won’t find your mockery so amusing then, I think.

I always prefer English to Arabic as well as prose to poetry!

The challenge in the Koran is not specific though! It never asks people to produce a chapter in Arabic. More, not all chapters and verses of the Koran are in a poetic form with rhyming patterns!

For your sake, I shall produce a short Surah in poetic form:

Look, there goes the illiterate who always bribes,
Makes untrue promises to fool and seduce the tribes.
People who follow the camel are by no means wise,
They do not know each of his followers eternally dies.
The book he claims to get from his deity is mere fiction,
Full of errors and fallacies that only reveal malediction.
Come all and save yourselves from that fatal mistake,
Open your minds and hearts to the only truth for Christ’s sake!

P.S.I did not have to go to a cave to get this “revelation”.

 

[inJESUS]

I agree with hamba2han on this issue.

If God says He will make a “great nation” then it must be a great nation IN GOD. Because why would God say that something profane (not sacred) is “great?”

 

[inJESUS]

Angelos! you crack me up !!

so who is the judge Amy? if we all present our beautiful Biblical paragraphs, finest poetry, or even pre-Islamic excellent poetry that is much more beautiful than the Quran (which is prose as well), WHO IS THE JUDGE?

do you really believe this challenge is from God??

 

[inJESUS]

 

[morning_star777]

really mr.angelos this poetry is really nice.

 

[Ed_Rand]

The Qur’an doesn’t say Mary is part of the trinity, it says that Jesus never taught anyone to worship her. But yet… who prays to Mary? Not the Muslims.

We do not pray to Mary as a God. We ask mary to pray for us to God because she is much closer to Him than we.

 

[inJESUS]

really mr.angelos this poetry is really nice.

you have no right to give your opinion… only Muhammads followers should, or is it Allah? anyway, Allah says no one can meet the challenge, so Allah is actually giving a priori response to his subjective challenge by making muslims not even dare to think it can be met…

I mean, am a very open person and willing to go till the end with any discussion, but i still found not one single reason to convince me that this challenge reflects God’s wisdom,

 

[Angelos]

a great nation does not mean revelation opposing the previous one…how many years did it take, after Ishmael, to receive the Quran? wasn’t his nation great before the Quran? or is it Muhammad who givs greatness to Ishmael? sorry i can’t follow the logic

 

[Ed_Rand]

You can’t say there is something that God revealed which is less divine or less sublime than something else which God revealed.

Moses, Jesus, Muhammad–all were teaching what God willed them to teach, but to different groups of people.

I concede. (you see guys? its not that hard to concede when you are wrong). His message is divine because it comes from Him. Of course. Although, you did admit earlier that “turn your cheek” is a more exalted teaching, correct?

 

[Angelos]

really mr.angelos this poetry is really nice.

Thanks!

Peace to you

 

[Ed_Rand]

But men are not transcendent. Men need laws. Can you imagine a society without laws?

Men need laws, but not to get to heaven. (I understand these are not your beliefs).

 

[Angelos]

you have no right to give your opinion… only Muhammads followers should, or is it Allah? anyway, Allah says no one can meet the challenge, so Allah is actually giving a priori response to his subjective challenge by making muslims not even dare to think it can be met…

I mean, am a very open person and willing to go till the end with any discussion, but i still found not one single reason to convince me that this challenge reflects God’s wisdom,

I am not expecting Sister Amy to believe that my “Surah” was revealed from Allah.

Although I have taken the challenge and produced a Surah, Muslims will not be faithful to their promise.

 

[Ed_Rand]

Why refer to an old obsolete book which has many of it’s pages either missing, torn or defaced to the point of being unreadable when the very latest complete and revised edition of the book by the very same author is now available at your neighbourhood bookstore?

Sorry. But the the teachings therein are different. And some of them are intentionally different than the Gospels. That Jesus taught “turn your cheek” was not a corruption and this has been changed in the Qur’an. I know you will admit that. Did Jesus teach “turn your cheek”?

 

[Ed_Rand]

 

[Ed_Rand]

well if you read Bukhari, he writes that Ishmael settled with Arabs and learnt Arabic from them. How can he be their father?

Then which great nation came from his descendants???
You cannot answer this. Arabs have never been a unified people until Islam. And yes I understand that there are non-Arab muslims, in the same way that there are non-Jewish Christians. The nations are Christianity and Islam. This is the only explanation that makes sense and you know it.