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Ed_Rand
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Arabs were a divided insignificant people until Islam. You know this.
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Ed_Rand
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I understand how different revelations are different than a lie. This has been your problem all along.Ed, this is for you to see, maybe i will be able one day to explain to you how a different teaching or covenant is different than a lie
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Rocky
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But I have read where something has been written that challenges the Quran, and that Muslims are very upset by this book specifically because it meets the challenge.
It is called “The True Furqan” and you can read it on line (both in English and Arabic) at www.islam-exposed.org/furqan/contents.html
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Ed_Rand
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inJESUS;3794085:
Resen, which is between Nineveh and the great city Calah.Exactly!
In addition, the qualifier great is not necessarily interchangeable with the qualifier sacred:
Genesis 10.12
Psalm 136:17 to the one who struck down great kings, for his loyal love endures.
Genesis 39:9 There is no one greater in this household than I am. He has withheld nothing from me except you because you are his wife. So how could I do such a great evil and sin against God?”
Numbers 24:7 He will pour the water out of his buckets, 1 and their descendants will be like abundant water; their king will be greater than Agag, and their kingdom will be exalted.
**Jonah 3.2 ** Go to Nineveh, that great city.
Of course God uses the word “great” in many different ways throughout the Bible. This does not change the fact that, regarding this issue, the promises are the same. Same language, same promise. Don’t you believe that God is referring to the future great nation of Christianity in these promises? I think you have to in order to be a Chrisitan as these are some of the most important words in Genesis. That being said, if the same promise was made to Ishmael, you cannot then say it was not intended to be a comparable nation.
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ralphinal
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Moses and Jesus et al sent ot Jews.
Jesus tood hte Apostles to go and make beleivers of all men.
Muhammed sent to Arabs.
Muhammed also sent to all nations
Jesus’s message should be 100% the same as Muhammed’s. If not, one is right and one is wrong OR both are wrong.
Jesus tood hte Apostles to go and make beleivers of all men.
Muhammed sent to Arabs.
Muhammed also sent to all nations
Jesus’s message should be 100% the same as Muhammed’s. If not, one is right and one is wrong OR both are wrong.
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Ed_Rand
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Or both are right. God to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you” To Abraham’s son Isaac “I will make him a great nation.” To Abraham’s son Ishmael “I will make him a great nation” How do we become children of Abraham? Faith in God. This seems so simple.
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ralphinal
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Not according to my point. If God sent both to the entire world to teach everyone, the message should be the same. It is not. Take everything else away, and Jesus is God in one and just a dude in the other. Both cannot be right.
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Sister_Amy
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I think if you’ll visit that site, which I mentioned, it mentions how “The True Furqan” actually doesn’t meet the challenge.
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Sister_Amy
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inJESUS;3794006:
anything because it is not my scripture, not my revelation, not my covenant. But rather, a revelation given to my Muslim brothers, who are my brothers through Abraham, through faith in what God has revealed to them.
The Qur’an was revealed for you, just like it was revealed for the Jews, and for the Christians, even for the disbelievers.
Oh People of the Book… it says
Oh Children of Israel… it says
Oh MANKIND! it says (yaa ayyaha annaas)
It was revealed for all of mankind.
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Ed_Rand
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Ed Rand;3794294:
I think both are a call to all mankind. “All nations will be blessed through you”. We are free to choose. I have the Qur’an at my fingertips as well as the Bible. Your point earlier about how Jesus was only sent to the Jews was wrong, sorry.The Qur’an was revealed for you, just like it was revealed for the Jews, and for the Christians, even for the disbelievers.
Oh People of the Book… it says
Oh Children of Israel… it says
Oh MANKIND! it says (yaa ayyaha annaas)
It was revealed for all of mankind.
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Ed_Rand
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Jesus is not “just another dude” in theirs. He is the Messiah for them also.
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ralphinal
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But what does that mean? He is called both prophet and messiah, but what is Messiah in Islam?
He is clearly not God, so that is a major, major issue.
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Ed_Rand
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I’d like to get into it, but if you read this whole thread, I think your question will be answered. See Meedo’s post on page 1 of this thread.
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Angelos
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There is no use closing your eyes to the fact that God did NOT promise to make His covenant with Ishmael. God wanted Abraham to listen to Sara and throw “the slave woman and her son” out of the house! God’s promise to Abraham about Isaac was NOT the same as His promise about Ishmael. God promised to make Ishmael survive and become the father of a great nation, but stipulated hat Ishmael be away from Abraham and Isaac and forego his rights to inheritance. Ishmael’s survival was definitely a compensation.
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inJESUS
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inJESUS
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ahhhh so Ishamel and his descendants were insignificant for thousands of years until Mr. Muhammad came with his book?
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morning_star777
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mr.angelos&brother inJESUS,both of you are very decent man,you have alot of patience.but i am hopeless that when mr ed will understand that bible and quran both can’t be true or can’t be god’s word.either bible or quran just 1 of them is the god’s word.so if bible is god’s word then quran can’t be.i guess a kid will guess it.but i guess ed is an adult man.but is he still searching for the truth?
.i am really confused
.i am really confused
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inJESUS
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Ed Rand;3794294:
ah finally …do you read? the Quran is sent for YOU…the God you believe in is telling YOU in the book *for them *that you are deluded for thinking that Jesus was crucified.The Qur’an was revealed for you, just like it was revealed for the Jews, and for the Christians, even for the disbelievers.
Oh People of the Book… it says
Oh Children of Israel… it says
Oh MANKIND! it says (yaa ayyaha annaas)
It was revealed for all of mankind.
Suppose you meet a friend called John and he says:
John : my mom passed away because of she was hit by a car…i see you later …
3 weeks later you see John and you tell him:
Ed: John are you feeling better after this horrible tragedy of your mon’s death?
John : are you crazy? you must be deluded for thinking my mom either passed away or was hit by a car!
obviously, John is a nutcase as is the deity who behaves as such and i really think you must think before insulting God’s wisdom and truthfulness, though you might not know you are doing it…we are talking about God, not about a psycho, not about a liar, not about a nutcase. When God says Jesus died, it means Jesus died ! is that so hard to grasp? there is NOTHING called telling them that He did not die .
This is a lie of a psycho, not a different teaching.
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