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dolphinlove
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Well we really dont know, it could be a geological formation, it could have been a meteor, or it could have fallen off a building site in heaven… But the 3rd is most unlikely, and i doubt very much it is from heaven.
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hamba2han
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Muslims pray in the direction of the Kaa’ba… whereas Catholics pray towards statues and graven images.
This is a HUGE difference because even if the Kaa’ba is destroyed… and Islam teaches that this will happen at some point in the future as one of the signs of the end times, Muslims will still pray in the direction of the Kaa’ba.
By comparison, if the statues and graves images that Catholics pray to are destroyed, will they still direct their prayers in the same direction?
As for the origin of the Black Stone, according to some Islamic tradition, the Stone fell from Heaven during the time of Adam and Eve, when it was pure and dazzling white, but has since turned black because of the sins it has absorbed over the years.
And for those who wish to learn more, this Wikipedia article might prove useful.
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inJESUS
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morning_star777
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so dear hamba2han,this black stone was white&it has turned black for sin of human?its sounds like hindu demi gods.when mahishasura(a demon in hinduism)compeled rishis(hindu saints) not to invoke gods then without food gods became weak.so ur stone also like a demi god who became black for sin?or if all ppl will be sinless then will it turn white again?
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Angelos
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Dear Hamba2han, please come with a better and more reasonable explanation next time because:
1) Praying towards something is NOT different from praying in the direction of something. Thus, Kaaba can be considered a big statue towards which Muslims pray.
2) There is no dogma obligating Christians to pray towards statues and kiss icons for the validity of their prayer. In Islam, however, Muslims MUST face Kaaba while praying, otherwise their prayers will not be “valid”.
3) Muslims will keep praying in the direction of Kaaba even when it is destroyed because that direction belongs to Kaaba! No direction is reserved for any statue in Christianity.
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dolphinlove
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Thank you Angelos for your response once again, you answered perfectly and even addressed the ‘towards and direction’ explanation.
I was even going to point out, but isnt it still praying ‘directly towards’ the big black stone??
Please stop with the word play hamba…
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Angelos
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You are welcome, my dear friend. :hug1:
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hamba2han
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Is it possible at all for Catholics to pray without the use of statues or graven images?
If it is possible… How will you pray in your churches if you are not directing your prayers towards these statues and graven images?
If it is possible… How will you pray in your churches if you are not directing your prayers towards these statues and graven images?
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dolphinlove
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Very simple, we pray towards the Eucharist.
The church i attend, we have what is called adoration.
Eucharistic Adoration is the adoration of Jesus Christ present in the Holy Eucharist. In the many Churches that have this adoration, the Eucharist is displayed in a special holder called a monstrance, and people come to pray and worship Jesus continually throughout the day and often the night.
And let me tell you, the feeling after spending a few hours in the church doing adoration is the most amazing feeling. You really do feel the presence of Jesus in there. I would recommend anyone give it a try!
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hamba2han
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In order to experience the most profound satisfaction in their prayers, I would recommend that Christians pray the way Jesus (pbuh) himself prayed.And let me tell you, the feeling after spending a few hours in the church doing adoration is the most amazing feeling. You really do feel the presence of Jesus in there. I would recommend anyone give it a try!
http://www.submission.org/jews-1.jpg
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Once you try it a few times, preferably facing Jerusalem if you like, then I am just so very confident that you would not want to pray in any other way from that point onwards.
After all, would anyone want to go back to watching black & white TV after viewing High-Definition colour TV?
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Ed_Rand
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I like to pray in this position. I really don’t think it matters though.
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hamba2han
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You won’t know till you try.
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Angelos
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Please prove me that Jesus Himself prayed THAT way and would rather His followers prayed THAT way.
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Ed_Rand
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I said that I like to pray in the same posture as Muslims do.
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Booklover
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5 **And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. **
1 “Your justice”… that is, works of justice; viz., fasting, prayer, and almsdeeds; which ought to be performed not out of ostentation, or a view to please men, but solely to please God.
6 But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee. 7 And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard. 8 Be not you therefore like to them, for your Father knoweth what is needful for you, before you ask him. 9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. 14 For if you will forgive men their offences, your heavenly Father will forgive you also your offences. 15 But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences. 11 “*Supersubstantial bread”… In St. Luke the same word is rendered daily bread. It is understood of the bread of life, which we receive in the Blessed *
Sacrament.
There’s nothing there about doing what you keep repeating!
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1 “Your justice”… that is, works of justice; viz., fasting, prayer, and almsdeeds; which ought to be performed not out of ostentation, or a view to please men, but solely to please God.
6 But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee. 7 And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard. 8 Be not you therefore like to them, for your Father knoweth what is needful for you, before you ask him. 9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. 14 For if you will forgive men their offences, your heavenly Father will forgive you also your offences. 15 But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences. 11 “*Supersubstantial bread”… In St. Luke the same word is rendered daily bread. It is understood of the bread of life, which we receive in the Blessed *
Sacrament.
There’s nothing there about doing what you keep repeating!
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dolphinlove
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I really dont recommend praying that way. Why? Cause Jesus never did as pointed out by my fellow Christians on this thread.
Now Hamba, im serious, if you ever get the chance to go into a church that has adoration, give it a try, some catholics will tell you its the best hour of their week!
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Ed_Rand
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You have no proof of this. Jesus lived in prayer. I imagine he prayed in every position imaginable. But hey, you guys really got Hamba against the ropes now!!! Don’t let up!!!
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